Hickson is not worth more than MLE

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Varejao is exactly the kind of player Cleveland needs to mentor its younger players. He's on a good (under $10M) contract, too.

While sportswriters may have written about possible trades involving him, I don't believe any of it.

One rumor was for Bledsoe AND DeAndre Jordan.
 
I think Hickson is actually a real asset, IMO. E Will could be a promising talent as well and probably able to resign for cheap (1.5-2 mil per for 3 seasons).

I love the trade idea but think CLE can do better than that offer, they can just sign Hickson in the offseason if they want him, they ain't winnin this season in any scenario
 
I think Hickson is actually a real asset, IMO. E Will could be a promising talent as well and probably able to resign for cheap (1.5-2 mil per for 3 seasons).

Cleveland traded Hickson away for pennies on the dollar. They know what some of us fans know

Williams has played in 24 games in 3 seasons. Greg Oden has played in 82 games in 6 seasons. Williams averages 8 games a year while Greg averages 13.6.....Think about that statement
 
I just don't understand the hate a few posters have for Hickson...we were picked to be one of the worst teams in the West..we're currently 3 games over .500..Lillard's been great, Batum's been great, LA has been his usual consistent self, but Hickson is the guy that brings it all together IMO..the team feeds off his energy. He's made some boneheaded plays, but so have Batum/Lillard//LMA.
He's not perfect, but it is my belief that the posters that bash on him have some pre-conceived hatred of him, stemming from before we signed him, and they're letting that belief cloud they're judgement. He's a damn good player, and for what we're paying him, he's a god damn steal!
 
I don't think I've ever seen any Hickson hate on this board. None. I've seen plenty of LaMarcus hate. Plenty of Batum hate. Not noticed any Hickson hate.
 
I just don't understand the hate a few posters have for Hickson...we were picked to be one of the worst teams in the West..we're currently 3 games over .500..Lillard's been great, Batum's been great, LA has been his usual consistent self, but Hickson is the guy that brings it all together IMO..the team feeds off his energy. He's made some boneheaded plays, but so have Batum/Lillard//LMA.
He's not perfect, but it is my belief that the posters that bash on him have some pre-conceived hatred of him, stemming from before we signed him, and they're letting that belief cloud they're judgement. He's a damn good player, and for what we're paying him, he's a god damn steal!

If you reread, most of the posters aren't Hickson Haters, we just don't think he provides long term value to the team. He is a steal on his current contract, but that ends real soon. Hickson brings energy, and that's real nice, but we also need him to bring a couple things that he just doesn't have. He is very undersized on D and just can't protect the paint. He has great leaping ability, so with that ability and the energy, he gets tons of rebounds, but he does little else. He is a black hole on offense, and is the least skilled offensive player on the starting unit. The Blazers have 4 people who are becoming great passers, but if the ball gets to Hickson, it never gets out.

Hickson would be a great backup at the PF/C, and that's a very important roll. But I get the idea that JJ would not be happy being a back up. And, more importantly, we don't have a good option for starting C at this point in time. If we sign JJ, we will not have the cap space to get a good starting C. So, the best thing to do is if we can't get him cheap (which I doubt we can since he has proven enough that some team will pay him decently) to let him go and use the money to throw a contract at one of several other options that will be available this summer.
 
I just don't understand the hate a few posters have for Hickson...we were picked to be one of the worst teams in the West..we're currently 3 games over .500..Lillard's been great, Batum's been great, LA has been his usual consistent self, but Hickson is the guy that brings it all together IMO..the team feeds off his energy. He's made some boneheaded plays, but so have Batum/Lillard//LMA.
He's not perfect, but it is my belief that the posters that bash on him have some pre-conceived hatred of him, stemming from before we signed him, and they're letting that belief cloud they're judgement. He's a damn good player, and for what we're paying him, he's a god damn steal!

No hate at all from me. He just simply isn't worth what he will command next year to us. So trading him is by far the best option
 
If you reread, most of the posters aren't Hickson Haters, we just don't think he provides long term value to the team. He is a steal on his current contract, but that ends real soon. Hickson brings energy, and that's real nice, but we also need him to bring a couple things that he just doesn't have. He is very undersized on D and just can't protect the paint. He has great leaping ability, so with that ability and the energy, he gets tons of rebounds, but he does little else. He is a black hole on offense, and is the least skilled offensive player on the starting unit. The Blazers have 4 people who are becoming great passers, but if the ball gets to Hickson, it never gets out.

Hickson would be a great backup at the PF/C, and that's a very important roll. But I get the idea that JJ would not be happy being a back up. And, more importantly, we don't have a good option for starting C at this point in time. If we sign JJ, we will not have the cap space to get a good starting C. So, the best thing to do is if we can't get him cheap (which I doubt we can since he has proven enough that some team will pay him decently) to let him go and use the money to throw a contract at one of several other options that will be available this summer.

We pretty much agree on what he brings, I just place a much higher value on Hickson than you. I dont think we'll be able to get anyone better and I just think the guy is a net positive on the basketball court.
 
We are all speculating on what price Hickson will command this summer. It could just as easily be 6.9 MIL a year average over 3 years vs some people's proclamations of 9 MIL a year. We just don't know. It is fun to speculate but most likely everyone will be wrong no matter the number you throw out.
 
We are all speculating on what price Hickson will command this summer. It could just as easily be 6.9 MIL a year average over 3 years vs some people's proclamations of 9 MIL a year. We just don't know. It is fun to speculate but most likely everyone will be wrong no matter the number you throw out.

Regardless, his cap hold is 7.2 mm, I believe. That leaves about the same amount to spend on other FA. Retaining Hickson will set this franchise back the length of his next contract in it's growth process
 
Regardless, his cap hold is 7.2 mm, I believe. That leaves about the same amount to spend on other FA. Retaining Hickson will set this franchise back the length of his next contract in it's growth process

That is another opinion though. That is what we are here to do (throw out our opinions) so no issue with it but forgive me when I don't take it as the gospel.

There are a hundred different scenarios that you aren't taking into account and some of them are not even related to Free Agency.
 
No hate at all from me. He just simply isn't worth what he will command next year to us. So trading him is by far the best option

So what do you think we could get that will be better than him? With his salary this year it ain't gonna be by trade, since he's the best value contract in the NBA
 
So what do you think we could get that will be better than him? With his salary this year it ain't gonna be by trade, since he's the best value contract in the NBA

I would say look into teams with an access of centers with good PERs but can't find playing time.
 
So what do you think we could get that will be better than him? With his salary this year it ain't gonna be by trade, since he's the best value contract in the NBA

I think to answer this the best way, we need to decide the definition of "better"

My definition is of "better" is as a franchise that can annually compete for home court advantage and maybe make a run at a title every now and then.
 
I think to answer this the best way, we need to decide the definition of "better"

My definition is of "better" is as a franchise that can annually compete for home court advantage and maybe make a run at a title every now and then.

And I think we have a better chance of that by keeping Hickson, 24, and letting this team grow and gel for a few years with the guys that we have, than trading one of our best players on a 4 mil salary for a draft pick in a weak draft. Or whatever else.
 
And I think we have a better chance of that by keeping Hickson, 24, and letting this team grow and gel for a few years with the guys that we have, than trading one of our best players on a 4 mil salary for a draft pick in a weak draft. Or whatever else.

Personally I would love to have Hickson as the backup PF for our team; but I think we have some serious pressing needs at guard back-up and a starting center. The question is when will Leanord be able to take over the starting role at center? If he can develop quicker and start next season; then keeping Hickson isn't a bad idea. The problem is I just don't see Leanord being at that level any time soon.

Leanord is seriously lost on the defensive end and he just doesn't box out worth a shit. We have rebounding problems now; just imagine the issues we will have with Leanord on our starting 5?

If Leanord could become that starter and actually learn to box out and rebound the fucking ball; then keeping Hickson and offering max MLE for Reddick would be a smart choice. But we just can't compete if we have an undersized center like Hickson starting for this club.
 
Hey Mags, just a quick question. Where did you learn how to spell Leonard from? :) Just playing of course.
 
Hickson is a top 5 rebounder in this league...if we didn't have him our rebounding problems would be much worse..I'm not relying on Leonard for anything, maybe that's partly why I'm so enamored with keeping JJ! :ghoti:
 
Hickson is a top 5 rebounder in this league...if we didn't have him our rebounding problems would be much worse..I'm not relying on Leonard for anything, maybe that's partly why I'm so enamored with keeping JJ! :ghoti:

Hickson's rebounding is a wash though because he isn't providing positive stats for this team. He's playing well, but his team doesn't when he is on the court. That's in the stats. As a back-up; hickson would be a monster for our bench. He's just not right as a starter at center.
 
Hickson's rebounding is a wash though because he isn't providing positive stats for this team. He's playing well, but his team doesn't when he is on the court. That's in the stats. As a back-up; hickson would be a monster for our bench. He's just not right as a starter at center.

He's the starting center on a playoff team that was predicted to be one of the worst teams in the West. He's not one of our top 3 players, but he's made a positive impact. We're not in playoff position right now without Hickson
 
He's the starting center on a playoff team that was predicted to be one of the worst teams in the West. He's not one of our top 3 players, but he's made a positive impact. We're not in playoff position right now without Hickson

Listen, I am all homer for wanting Hickson, but you really need to look at the advanced stats. Hickson's production actually doesn't help this team. We are a serious minus when he's on the court.
 
Listen, I am all homer for wanting Hickson, but you really need to look at the advanced stats. Hickson's production actually doesn't help this team. We are a serious minus when he's on the court.

He's been one of our most productive players all season. Shouldn't we be a losing team if his production isn't helping?
 
PHXBlazer1, read this article about Hickson. This was posted on a thread I had about keeping Hickson and Aldridge. I will admit, that I was all for keeping hickson and I publicly debated on this topic. I am watching the games and taking in the consideration of those that want to trade Hickson. An I am more leaning on trading Hickson now, knowing that we can.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/1/8...j-j-hickson-tops-list-of-overrated-rebounders

The following five players are examples of this phenomenon -- their individual rebounding numbers are impressive, but they don't seem to add much to their teams' rebounding performance when they're on the floor.

J.J. Hickson, Portland Trail Blazers

Superficially speaking, Hickson appears to be one of the league's best rebounders, averaging 10.8 boards per game (sixth-best in the NBA) with a 21.7 rebounding percentage (fourth-best). However, there's plenty of evidence that many of those rebounds have simply been stolen from his teammates, not opponents. Only Anderson Varejao and Reggie Evans have a bigger differential between their own rebounding rates and those of their teammates, but at least Varejao and Evans lead their teams to above-average rebound percentages while on the floor -- and improve their teams' rebounding when in the game. Despite Hickson's gaudy individual stats, the Blazers have a negative net rebound rate with him in the lineup, and they actually rebound at a better rate when he's not on the floor.
 
Hickson is a top 5 rebounder in this league...if we didn't have him our rebounding problems would be much worse..I'm not relying on Leonard for anything, maybe that's partly why I'm so enamored with keeping JJ! :ghoti:

I think a lot of the disagreement here is that some people are looking at it from this years perspective, while others are looking at it from the next several years perspective.

Hickson is a great rebounder, and has helped us tremendously in that role. However, let's say the Blazers sign Pekovic this off season. Hickson out rebounds him by 2.5 a game, but Pekovic's PER difference is light years better than Hickson's.

At PF, Hickson has a PER of 28.9, but his PER against is 27.9, while at center his PER is 21.1 and PER against is 20.9, or a net on court advantage of 1.0 and .1 respectively

Pekovic on the other hand has a PER of 19.8 and a PER against of only 13.3 for an on court advantage of 6.4

Personally, while a risk, I'd rather not try and re-sign a player who is basically a wash on the floor and instead try to sign a player who really helps his team win
 

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