Hillsboro man walks in front of school with shotgun

[TradeNurkicNow]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Poli...lsboro-middle-school-no-threat-224502991.html

Apparently you can stand in front of a school with a shotgun or rifle, sending the school into lockdown and it's fine. Go five miles over the speed limit in a school zone? Nope. Possess drugs within 200 feet of a school zone? Nope.

Shotgun? Fine.

Commence arguing.

 

[BrianFromWA]

over the speed limit is illegal anywhere.
possessing drugs is illegal anywhere.
owning and open-carrying a shotgun isn't.

Now, if he shot and killed someone I'd be calling for his life to end. Would you?

 

[julius]

over the speed limit is illegal anywhere.
possessing drugs is illegal anywhere.
owning and open-carrying a shotgun isn't.

Now, if he shot and killed someone I'd be calling for his life to end. Would you?

It seems that common sense isn't legal everywhere either.

btw, the irony that the speed limit in front of schools, even when kids aren't in the streets, is done to improve the safety of the children. Yet, it only makes sense if they're out there. But we do it to set a standard that makes us used to driving slower/safer around schools/children.

Somehow i don't think some guy walking around with a shot gun improves the safety of the kids.

 

[THE HCP]

over the speed limit is illegal anywhere.
possessing drugs is illegal anywhere.
owning and open-carrying a shotgun isn't.

Now, if he shot and killed someone I'd be calling for his life to end. Would you?

You're smarter than this bro! You have kids? I have 2......


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[BrianFromWA]

Why? Are you going to assume he has a nefarious purpose? Some might argue the kids are safer.

The "common sense" analogy you're looking for is to ban all cars from near schools, since one might run over a kid. Getting hit by a car going 8 mph would be dangerous to a kindergartner.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You're smarter than this bro! You have kids? I have 2......


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I have two as well.

I'm all for persecuting illegal acts to the fullest extent. The dude never stepped foot on school property, or he would've been arrested. He never did anything in a provocative manner. It seems the "statement" he was trying to make is being made.

 

[julius]

Why? Are you going to assume he has a nefarious purpose? Some might argue the kids are safer.

The "common sense" analogy you're looking for is to ban all cars from near schools, since one might run over a kid. Getting hit by a car going 8 mph would be dangerous to a kindergartner.

because most sane people don't walk around in front of a school with a gun exposed. Also, a sane person doesn't do something like this to "make a point".

Some might argue the kids are safer? Why, because this guy was around with a gun? What if the guy was a little strange? Or unstable?

No, the common sense analogy is that a smart person see's a school and goes "oh hey, I'm going to slow down". A smart sane person doesn't go "oh hey, I'm going to bring a shot gun near a school, to prove a point. Whats the worst that can happen?"

Getting hit by a car going 8 MPH does probably less damage to a kindergartner than a bullet would. Just sayin'

 

[julius]

I have two as well.

I'm all for persecuting illegal acts to the fullest extent. The dude never stepped foot on school property, or he would've been arrested. He never did anything in a provocative manner. It seems the "statement" he was trying to make is being made.

Why did he need to make a 'statement'?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't know why he wanted to, but he sure accomplished it. 8 people called 911, and the district sent out a warning notice, locked down a school and instituted emergency protocols for a guy DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL WHATSOEVER.

It's kind of a shame to me. You don't know if this guy is a lunatic who stole a weapon, or the 99.999% of gun owners who are "sane" and "responsible" and yet you think he's insane.

And no, the analogy isn't to slow down. A car hitting a child at 8 mph will seriously injure a child. A weapon will not injure a child unless it is used illegally. The analogy, if we use your feelings on weapons, is that a common sense individual shouldn't want any cars around schools at all because children get can get injured by them. I mean, you don't know if someone behind the wheel in insane, a little unstable, under the influence, on a cell phone...

 

[julius]

I don't know why he wanted to, but he sure accomplished it. 8 people called 911, and the district sent out a warning notice, locked down a school and instituted emergency protocols for a guy DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL WHATSOEVER.

It's kind of a shame to me. You don't know if this guy is a lunatic who stole a weapon, or the 99.999% of gun owners who are "sane" and "responsible" and yet you think he's insane.

Yeah, because he needlessly made people scared.

And no, the analogy isn't to slow down. A car hitting a child at 8 mph will seriously injure a child. A weapon will not injure a child unless it is used illegally.

Or used legally.

The analogy, if we use your feelings on weapons, is that a common sense individual shouldn't want any cars around schools at all because children get can get injured by them. I mean, you don't know if someone behind the wheel in insane, a little unstable, under the influence, on a cell phone...

No, common sense says that carrying a gun around schools will scare people, will cause undue stress, and potential overreaction.

You're telling me that YOU would do this same thing and find nothing whatsoever wrong with it? OR that the undue stress and fear that it provides the people who work in schools was necessary?

If my child was at that school and I knew who the guy was, I'd drive my car up to him at 8 mph and illegal drive faster over his legs.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Yeah, because he needlessly made people scared.

Which is a statement about society, not him.

Or used legally.

Negative. If he shot at something "legally" and hit a kid, he's going to jail for a long time. With reason.

No, common sense says that carrying a gun around schools will scare people, will cause undue stress, and potential overreaction.

See quote #1.

You're telling me that YOU would do this same thing and find nothing whatsoever wrong with it? OR that the undue stress and fear that it provides the people who work in schools was necessary?

I carry a weapon every day here. You're saying that if I was magically transported to the mean streets of Portland that now I'm insane for doing so?

If my child was at that school and I knew who the guy was, I'd drive my car up to him at 8 mph and illegal drive faster over his legs.

That's nice. Why not use a gun, then, tough guy? I mean, if you're already doing something illegal and insane.

 

[julius]

This is why I question this guys sanity.

This is an actual quote from him.


"It wasn't in my mind that I was really gonna terrify or scare anybody," he said. "It was just the route I usually take when I go run."

Really? Carrying a gun near a couple schools wasn't going to terrify or scare anyone? I bet there is something not quite right with this guy. No normal person does something like this to justify change. A NEWS station doing it, with FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE SCHOOL, is far more sensible (like when one of the local reporters walked into one of the area high schools, without any ID or questioning from staff).

And if he's so sure that what he did wasn't wrong or whatever, why not give his name?

 

[BrianFromWA]

And if he's so sure that what he did wasn't wrong or whatever, why not give his name?

Um...

If my child was at that school and I knew who the guy was, I'd drive my car up to him at 8 mph and illegal drive faster over his legs.

 

[BrianFromWA]

This is why I question this guys sanity.

This is an actual quote from him.


"It wasn't in my mind that I was really gonna terrify or scare anybody," he said. "It was just the route I usually take when I go run."

Really? Carrying a gun near a couple schools wasn't going to terrify or scare anyone? I bet there is something not quite right with this guy. No normal person does something like this to justify change. A NEWS station doing it, with FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE SCHOOL, is far more sensible (like when one of the local reporters walked into one of the area high schools, without any ID or questioning from staff).

Perhaps he isn't very smart. Perhaps he misunderstood how poorly some people understand laws. Perhaps he's going to go home and watch the Kardashians.

Or, perhaps he's playing naive, since he did it with a rifle earlier near a High School and had multiple conversations with police about it then.

 

[julius]

Which is a statement about society, not him.

actually, quite the opposite. When someone does something and is oblivious to the negative outcomes, it says more about that person.

Negative. If he shot at something "legally" and hit a kid, he's going to jail for a long time. With reason.

Yeah, no one ever has been shot when hunting. A completely legal activity...

See quote #1.

So you honestly, and not blinders on, don't see how it's a natural and normal reaction for people in schools to react the way they do?

Carrying a concealed weapon isn't the issue. It's carrying a rifle, exposed, that is.

I carry a weapon every day here. You're saying that if I was magically transported to the mean streets of Portland that now I'm insane for doing so?

If carry a rifle, with the barrel exposed, and did so near a school, knowing full well how people in this country react to hearing "guns" and "near school", and then act like you didn't expect people to be terrified or scared? Then yes I'd say you'd be insane for doing so.

That's nice. Why not use a gun, then, tough guy? I mean, if you're already doing something illegal and insane.

Thanks Hacksaw!. But "tough guy (HOOOOOOOOOO!)" aside, I think it's pretty sad that you couldn't tell I was kidding.

 

[julius]

Perhaps he isn't very smart. Perhaps he misunderstood how poorly some people understand laws. Perhaps he's going to go home and watch the Kardashians.

Or, perhaps he's playing naive, since he did it with a rifle earlier near a High School and had multiple conversations with police about it then.

Perhaps playing naive kind of proves my point.

And this isn't about understanding laws, it's about seeing someone with a gun near a school.

Not around town, or hunting, or in an environment where seeing a rifle is common place, NEAR A SCHOOL.

It's like that part escapes both you and him.

 

[julius]

Um...

considering his mom was a teacher at the school, it wouldn't be terribly hard to find out if my kid went to the high school or middle school.

 

[BrianFromWA]

actually, quite the opposite. When someone does something and is oblivious to the negative outcomes, it says more about that person.

Sigh. He was doing it to make a statement, since he's done the same thing multiple times at different schools, and knows exactly what to say to cops. Haven't you seen the videos on youtube of people doing this, armed with the regulations and filming cops' reactions?

Yeah, no one ever has been shot when hunting. A completely legal activity...

If I shot you, even while hunting, involuntary manslaughter comes into play.

So you honestly, and not blinders on, don't see how it's a natural and normal reaction for people in schools to react the way they do?

What blinders? I dislike many things that others enjoy the freedom to do, but they still get to do it.

Carrying a concealed weapon isn't the issue. It's carrying a rifle, exposed, that is.

So you'd rather him carry it illegally? Or just not be able to carry a rifle or shotgun at all?

If carry a rifle, with the barrel exposed, and did so near a school, knowing full well how people in this country react to hearing "guns" and "near school", and then act like you didn't expect people to be terrified or scared? Then yes I'd say you'd be insane for doing so.

Again, more a statement on the feelings of people in this country. It's not illegal.

Thanks Hacksaw!. But "tough guy (HOOOOOOOOOO!)" aside, I think it's pretty sad that you couldn't tell I was kidding.

Why do you think I appended "tough guy" to it? You think I'm the smack-talking type, julius? :smh:

Look, I'm not saying I'd do this, or even feel comfortable with him doing so in front of a school. But there are plenty of things that I think are wrong that are protected. It seems that people are singling this out as if it's some heinous crime against humanity, when in reality it's a dude walking legally down the street.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Perhaps playing naive kind of proves my point.

And this isn't about understanding laws, it's about seeing someone with a gun near a school.

Not around town, or hunting, or in an environment where seeing a rifle is common place, NEAR A SCHOOL.

It's like that part escapes both you and him.

It doesn't escape me at all. But why is the vicinity of a school more important than, say, a church, or a mall, or Chuck E. Cheese's, or the community pool? There are lots of places where innocent people could be shot if someone illegally used a weapon.

 

[julius]

Sigh. He was doing it to make a statement, since he's done the same thing multiple times at different schools, and knows exactly what to say to cops. Haven't you seen the videos on youtube of people doing this, armed with the regulations and filming cops' reactions?

doing so with cops and what not is one thing. Doing so in front of a school, and acting surprised people were terrified or scared is another.

If I shot you, even while hunting, involuntary manslaughter comes into play.

dick cheney on line one...

What blinders? I dislike many things that others enjoy the freedom to do, but they still get to do it.

the REACTION to is was a surprise to him.

So you'd rather him carry it illegally? Or just not be able to carry a rifle or shotgun at all?

Actually, no I don't think he should be able to carry a rifle or shot gun near school.

a concealed weapon? don't care. But show me someone who has a concealed rifle, and I think there's a reason.

Again, more a statement on the feelings of people in this country. It's not illegal.

Not sure why you keep bringing up the legality of it. I'm talking about his reaction to how people reacted to what he did.

Why do you think I appended "tough guy" to it? You think I'm the smack-talking type, julius? :smh:

well jeesh...why not make it like this "oh yeah? tough guy!? (HOOO!!! !USA! USA! give me a 2x4!)"

Look, I'm not saying I'd do this, or even feel comfortable with him doing so in front of a school. But there are plenty of things that I think are wrong that are protected. It seems that people are singling this out as if it's some heinous crime against humanity, when in reality it's a dude walking legally down the street.

I think people are reacting because it scares the fucking shit out of people to hear "oh hey, did you hear that there's someone walking around your kids school with a gun?"

 

[julius]

It doesn't escape me at all. But why is the vicinity of a school more important than, say, a church, or a mall, or Chuck E. Cheese's, or the community pool? There are lots of places where innocent people could be shot if someone illegally used a weapon.

why is it important period?

Why not call up a news station and suggest a story? or write the Oregonian? Or the governor? Or the mayor of Hillsboro? Or talk to the police about getting out the news? Or talk to the school before hand letting them know that he wants to test to see if the kids know what to do if they see someone maybe with a gun or looking suspicious?

That way the school doesn't have to freak out fearing that someone might come into the school and shoot them or the kids.

There were PLENTY of better, smarter, saner ways to go about this.

 

[BrianFromWA]

as opposed to 'they're walking around the mall/they're walking around the church/they're walking around the community pool"?

I'm inclined to think that the 8 people who called 9-1-1 would probably have done so if this guy was walking outside the restaurant where their kids were having a birthday party, or down the sidewalk next to their church, or past them at the mall. So "because it scares the fucking shit out of people" isn't an argument that you're going to go far with me with.

 

[BrianFromWA]

why is it important period?

Why not call up a news station and suggest a story? or write the Oregonian? Or the governor? Or the mayor of Hillsboro? Or talk to the police about getting out the news? Or talk to the school before hand letting them know that he wants to test to see if the kids know what to do if they see someone maybe with a gun or looking suspicious?

That way the school doesn't have to freak out fearing that someone might come into the school and shoot them or the kids.

There were PLENTY of better, smarter, saner ways to go about this.

Martin Luther King, Jr. should've just posted a memo, instead of invading DC with a million people. Who knows what damage that might've caused had they all done something illegal.

 

[julius]

as opposed to 'they're walking around the mall/they're walking around the church/they're walking around the community pool"?

I'm inclined to think that the 8 people who called 9-1-1 would probably have done so if this guy was walking outside the restaurant where their kids were having a birthday party, or down the sidewalk next to their church, or past them at the mall. So "because it scares the fucking shit out of people" isn't an argument that you're going to go far with me with.

Then I guess we'll have to disagree to agree.

er..I mean, agree to disagree.

 

[BrianFromWA]

you think this same guy walking in front of Chuck E. Cheese frequented by these 8 people wouldn't have the police called?

 

[Natebishop3]

I think I see what the problem is.

Julius can't understand why someone would be so insensitive as to walk in front of a school with an exposed weapon. He sees that it scares the shit out of the school, the parents, and the kids.

Brian is merely voicing his concern that the country has become so scared of guns that the mere sight of a gun sends the public into complete panic. He is trying to explain that guns are just an object, no different than a car, or a knife, or a bat. They won't just hurt people, they have to be used carelessly or maliciously for them to become dangerous. The mere presence of a man holding a gun does not pose a danger to people unless that person is either being negligent or has evil intentions. Brian is trying to explain that the gun itself is not dangerous. What if the gun is unloaded? What if it has a plug in it? What if it is a prop gun? Brian is trying to explain that the man is not a threat merely because he has a gun.

My take on this is that you're both right, but for different reasons. I think it's sad that the United States is so scared of guns now that the mere mention of a gun brings the police, and often times someone is shot by the police because of it. I read a story about a guy in Florida who was sitting on a porch holding a hose, a neighbor called the cops and they shot him. At the same time, I think this guy is an asshole and I think he needs to rethink his strategy because walking in front of schools with a gun exposed isn't winning any arguments. Right now gun owners are not being portrayed in the best light, with guys like George Zimmerman and the school shootings, so why does this dummy think that walking around near schools with a gun will help his cause? It makes him look like an insensitive prick, and it makes people question whether it should be legal to open carry at all. Does he want MORE gun regulation?

 

[julius]

My take on this is that you're both right, but for different reasons. I think it's sad that the United States is so scared of guns now that the mere mention of a gun brings the police, and often times someone is shot by the police because of it. I read a story about a guy in Florida who was sitting on a porch holding a hose, a neighbor called the cops and they shot him. At the same time, I think this guy is an asshole and I think he needs to rethink his strategy because walking in front of schools with a gun exposed isn't winning any arguments. Right now gun owners are not being portrayed in the best light, with guys like George Zimmerman and the school shootings, so why does this dummy think that walking around near schools with a gun will help his cause? It makes him look like an insensitive prick, and it makes people question whether it should be legal to open carry at all. Does he want MORE gun regulation?

totally. If he wanted to make a point, he made it in a negative way.

 

[julius]

you think this same guy walking in front of Chuck E. Cheese frequented by these 8 people wouldn't have the police called?

I don't know, but I think we're forgetting that the whole concept of a concealed weapon is that it's concealed...not out in the open.

 

[Natebishop3]

totally. If he wanted to make a point, he made it in a negative way.

A couple of guys did the same thing on 82nd about a year ago. What I don't understand is;

1) Aren't they scared that some overzealous cop will shoot them?

2) How is this supposed to help their cause?

I just really don't understand the thought process behind this. Why can't gun owners just assemble and protest like any other group? Are they trying to show that, "hey we have guns and we're not shooting anyone. Not everyone with guns is bad!" While it might make sense in theory, instead it just makes people uneasy. When 1,000+ gun owners march on Salem with their AR's and AK's and rifles, it doesn't inspire people. It makes them nervous. While I agree with Brian that this is sad, and that there are millions of gun owners in this country (myself included) who have never done anything wrong, it just makes them look crazy.

I see guys walking along a highway during hunting season. Nobody bats an eye. Even if someone was carrying their gun out to their pickup I don't think anyone would care. But walking in front of a school is just.... dumb.

 

[julius]

A couple of guys did the same thing on 82nd about a year ago. What I don't understand is;

1) Aren't they scared that some overzealous cop will shoot them?

2) How is this supposed to help their cause?

I just really don't understand the thought process behind this. Why can't gun owners just assemble and protest like any other group? Are they trying to show that, "hey we have guns and we're not shooting anyone. Not everyone with guns is bad!" While it might make sense in theory, instead it just makes people uneasy. When 1,000+ gun owners march on Salem with their AR's and AK's and rifles, it doesn't inspire people. It makes them nervous. While I agree with Brian that this is sad, and that there are millions of gun owners in this country (myself included) who have never done anything wrong, it just makes them look crazy.

I see guys walking along a highway during hunting season. Nobody bats an eye. Even if someone was carrying their gun out to their pickup I don't think anyone would care. But walking in front of a school is just.... dumb.

Exactly!

I've seen guns in pickups, I've had neighbors accidentally flash their guns (well, handing it to his wife isn't accidental), and it didn't phase me. Nor did it bother me that the other neighbors kid was there.

If you're going to make a point, do it smart.