Hillsboro man walks in front of school with shotgun

[Natebishop3]

Just curious but would walking back and forth in front of a school with a gun constitute some kind of "disturbing the piece"?

If the intention was to cause a disturbance, and bring the police out, wouldn't that be breaking the law? I'm not clear on how those things work, but I though there was a law about creating a scene in public. I could be wrong.

 

[Further]

I have yet to see someone praise the guy. I've been an advocate that he shouldn't be lynch-mobbed, run over, have his privacy illegally gained, or his home picketed by "freaked-out" people. Your wiki copy is (also deliberately?) misconstruing the issue into something that this is not: namely, a guy walked near a school (not ON school grounds) with a weapon. Legally. The cops were called, multiple times. They agree that he's doing absolutely nothing illegal.
Of those dozens of articles, the majority were colleges (which seems to take out the whole "kids safety issue", but whatever) and many others were disgruntled high schoolers doing illegal things. I'm all about keeping people from doing illegal things and hurting people. I'm also all about people not being hunted down, run over, harassed or victimized for doing things that are legal, yet incomprehensible to other segments of society. If the principal wants to set up a metal detector, go for it. My tax dollars (or yours, since it's your neighborhood) help with that. If the principal wants to search backpacks, no problem from me. If he/she wants to deny entry to a parent picking up their child who's carrying, I'm even ok with that, since that's the law. What I won't abide is people being terrorized because of fearmongering for doing legal things--whether they're walking-while-gay, trying to get an abortion, trying to pray at a place that makes sense for them, carrying a weapon down a street, whatever.

I have not suggested, nor has Julius, that any illegal actions be taken. You are reading in stuff that was not said. We talked about following him to learn who he is and where he lives, that's not illegal. We are talking about protesting, that's not illegal. We are talking about making sure everyone in the neighborhood is well aware of who this person is and what actions they have taken regarding taking guns to the sidewalk outside school.

Also, nobody is suggesting that he is breaking any laws. Just that what he is doing is wrong, it scares kids and teachers, it disrupts classes and education, it monopolizes police attention, and it will likely sway people to action that will restrict the very laws this man is trying to demonstrate he has.

 

[PapaG]

I swear I read that julius would run over the guy with a car just because the guy is exercising his legal right to carry a gun.

Yet, the gun-freaks are the violent people...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I swear I read that julius would run over the guy with a car just because the guy is exercising his legal right to carry a gun.

Yet, the gun-freaks are the violent people...

I would be interested in seeing the stats around people who intentionally ran over people with their car, versus those who intentionally shot and killed people.

 

[PapaG]

I would be interested in seeing the stats around people who intentionally ran over people with their car, versus those who intentionally shot and killed people.

I'd like to see the stats of those who kill people by running them over with cars versus those who shoot and kill people while legally carrying an unloaded gun.

 

[Further]

I'd like to see the stats of those who kill people by running them over with cars versus those who shoot and kill people while legally carrying an unloaded gun.

Unloaded?

 

[Denny Crane]

Brian's right, as usual.

FWIW

 

[Further]

Brian's right, as usual.

FWIW

About what? That it's legal, we all agree. That it's wise for this man to do this? This I don't agree with, but Brian never actually went this far. That people shouldn't be bothered by armed protesters at their kids schools? Honestly, I'm not sure what the two. Different sides believe, other than some are bothered by this and some aren't.

 

[julius]

I swear I read that julius would run over the guy with a car just because the guy is exercising his legal right to carry a gun.

Yet, the gun-freaks are the violent people...

you probably were too busy foaming at the mouth to see that I said I was kidding. Thus why I said the 8 mph thing.

 

[Natebishop3]

you probably were too busy foaming at the mouth to see that I said I was kidding. Thus why I said the 8 mph thing.

Whatever psycho. Stay away from the kids!

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[julius]

Whatever psycho. Stay away from the kids!

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heheeh

 

[PapaG]

Unloaded?

Yes. It was an unloaded gun in Hillsboro, as is legal to do in the open.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes. It was an unloaded gun in Hillsboro, as is legal to do in the open.

I am in favor of gun rights. I am in favor of the 2nd amendment. I just don't think it's okay for someone to go around with the intention of causing a disturbance, and that's exactly what this guy was doing. If he was merely transporting his gun from one place to another, great, I have no problem with it and he would be completely within his rights. But these guys who like to walk up and down busy streets with their guns on their back are doing so with the motive of drawing attention. This would, in my opinion, be considered "disturbing the peace."

This dude knew what he was doing. He walked in front of a school for a reason. If the intent is to cause a panic, bring the cops out, etc, he was breaking the law.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/disturbing-the-peace.html

"When a person's words or conduct jeopardizes others right to peace and tranquility, he or she may be charged with disturbing the peace."

"Generally, disturbing the peace refers to words or conduct that compromises the safety, health, morals or overall peace and quiet of the public."

 

[Denny Crane]

He is not disturbing the peace. He was perfectly within his rights.

Here are legit examples:

http://www.shouselaw.com/disturbing-peace.html

 

[PapaG]

I am in favor of gun rights. I am in favor of the 2nd amendment. I just don't think it's okay for someone to go around with the intention of causing a disturbance, and that's exactly what this guy was doing. If he was merely transporting his gun from one place to another, great, I have no problem with it and he would be completely within his rights. But these guys who like to walk up and down busy streets with their guns on their back are doing so with the motive of drawing attention. This would, in my opinion, be considered "disturbing the peace."

This dude knew what he was doing. He walked in front of a school for a reason. If the intent is to cause a panic, bring the cops out, etc, he was breaking the law.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/disturbing-the-peace.html

"When a person's words or conduct jeopardizes others right to peace and tranquility, he or she may be charged with disturbing the peace."

"Generally, disturbing the peace refers to words or conduct that compromises the safety, health, morals or overall peace and quiet of the public."

He was 100% within his rights to walk down the street carrying an unloaded gun.

I find the "outrage" in this thread to be a bit ridiculous, and I still wonder if the guy who walked near the school with his gun did so as an anti-gun advocate, and wanted to rile up people. Why would so many people call 911?

 

[Further]

Yes. It was an unloaded gun in Hillsboro, as is legal to do in the open.

please show where it says it was unloaded. I didn't read that. I know that the man refused to give his name, he is not required to show his shotgun is unloaded, so I don't see why we should assume he showed the cops. I could be wrong, perhaps it's mentioned elsewhere.

 

[Further]

He is not disturbing the peace. He was perfectly within his rights.

Here are legit examples:

http://www.shouselaw.com/disturbing-peace.html

I actually agree that it's completely legal.

I just find it in very poor taste, and I think if he, and others, continue to disrupt school like this, causing lockdowns and police to check it out, then laws, restrictions may need to be made.


On a side note, I have heard about similar demonstrations elsewhere and I do wish that if these people want to make a point, they perhaps have a sign and inform police ahead of time. I imagine a day will come when one is misunderstood either by police or by an armed citizen and death will result.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I actually agree that it's completely legal.

I just find it in very poor taste, and I think if he, and others, continue to disrupt school like this, causing lockdowns and police to check it out, then laws, restrictions may need to be made.


On a side note, I have heard about similar demonstrations elsewhere and I do wish that if these people want to make a point, they perhaps have a sign and inform police ahead of time. I imagine a day will come when one is misunderstood either by police or by an armed citizen and death will result.

so if its a chick with a dick being named prom queen to make a point, its all go along and get along..but you feel you know where to draw the line? Must be such a heavy burdon to be so all knowing..

 

[Denny Crane]

I actually agree that it's completely legal.

I just find it in very poor taste, and I think if he, and others, continue to disrupt school like this, causing lockdowns and police to check it out, then laws, restrictions may need to be made.


On a side note, I have heard about similar demonstrations elsewhere and I do wish that if these people want to make a point, they perhaps have a sign and inform police ahead of time. I imagine a day will come when one is misunderstood either by police or by an armed citizen and death will result.

He didn't disrupt school. The principal did.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He didn't disrupt school. The principal did.

As the principal should have. You see or hear that there is a person in front of the school with a gun you lock the school down.

 

[Denny Crane]

As the principal should have. You see or hear that there is a person in front of the school with a gun you lock the school down.

Fine by me.

If the guy was outside Chuck E. Cheese, then what?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Fine by me.

If the guy was outside Chuck E. Cheese, then what?

You ask to borrow the gun and bust a cap in Chuck E's ass.

 

[Denny Crane]

You ask to borrow the gun and bust a cap in Chuck E's ass.

Watched the video in the OP. The guy wasn't within 100 yards of the school.

It may well be that there are many times people go by the school that close carrying concealed guns. Just nobody knows about it.

 

[Further]

so if its a chick with a dick being named prom queen to make a point, its all go along and get along..but you feel you know where to draw the line? Must be such a heavy burdon to be so all knowing..

I believe that's what everyone is doing here, giving their opinions. Mine just rub you the wrong way. But in case of the transgendered teen, I don't think anyone is suggesting any actions of any kind, people just view it differently. It's just a discussion.
With regards to the man with the shotgun, I also did not suggest anything other than he is going to bring down the ire of the community if he persists, and this may have the opposite effect of what he intends. And if schools keep being interrupted, then fixes will need to be looked at.

 

[MickZagger]

He was 100% within his rights to walk down the street carrying an unloaded gun.

I find the "outrage" in this thread to be a bit ridiculous, and I still wonder if the guy who walked near the school with his gun did so as an anti-gun advocate, and wanted to rile up people. Why would so many people call 911?

You'd be fine and dandy with some random dude toting a gun outside your kids school?

Okkayyyy......

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It is legal for registered sex offenders to buy a house in my neighborhood and set up their residence there. It is legal and their right.

Doesn't mean I will like it or put down my guard. If I could I would keep any registered sex offender out of my neighborhood. And if they move in I will give them as much hell as I legally can.

I think this armed person walking around in the vicinity of schools is a jerk and an idiot. He may not be doing anything illegal, but that isn't the kind of person I want in my neighborhood or around a school I'm associated with.

Somehow I feel Zimmerman might be his hero . . .

 

[Further]

It is legal for registered sex offenders to buy a house in my neighborhood and set up their residence there. It is legal and their right.

Doesn't mean I will like it or put down my guard. If I could I would keep any registered sex offender out of my neighborhood. And if they move in I will give them as much hell as I legally can.

I think this armed person walking around in the vicinity of schools is a jerk and an idiot. He may not be doing anything illegal, but that isn't the kind of person I want in my neighborhood or around a school I'm associated with.

Somehow I feel Zimmerman might be his hero . . .

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Treaty_of_Batum again.

You keep talking, I'll just shut up and nod.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It is legal for registered sex offenders to buy a house in my neighborhood and set up their residence there. It is legal and their right.

Doesn't mean I will like it or put down my guard. If I could I would keep any registered sex offender out of my neighborhood. And if they move in I will give them as much hell as I legally can.

I think this armed person walking around in the vicinity of schools is a jerk and an idiot. He may not be doing anything illegal, but that isn't the kind of person I want in my neighborhood or around a school I'm associated with.

Somehow I feel Zimmerman might be his hero . . .

Why do you hate America?

 

[PapaG]

You'd be fine and dandy with some random dude toting a gun outside your kids school?

Okkayyyy......

If it's the law, and his gun isn't loaded, as is the law, then of course.

 

[PapaG]

It is legal for registered sex offenders to buy a house in my neighborhood and set up their residence there. It is legal and their right.

Doesn't mean I will like it or put down my guard. If I could I would keep any registered sex offender out of my neighborhood. And if they move in I will give them as much hell as I legally can.

I think this armed person walking around in the vicinity of schools is a jerk and an idiot. He may not be doing anything illegal, but that isn't the kind of person I want in my neighborhood or around a school I'm associated with.

Somehow I feel Zimmerman might be his hero . . .

What does this have to do with Zimmerman, other than you saying you'd confront somebody legally on the street outside of your house and harassing them?