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After snooping around on other forums looking for rumors etc., most fanatics think Joe will give in to Riley’s and Dame’s demands. Not an easy pair to say no to. Lots of media “leaks” that POR should help Dame to attract other talent. NOP fans fucking LOVE that one. How has that trading philosophy worked for NOP with CP3, AD etc? Free agents aren’t signing there either. Further there is agreement that MIA assets are ridiculously weak.
 
Jaylen Brown and Williams for Dame and Nurk to Boston...just do it. That's sending him to a deeper team than Miami will put on the court. Dame and Nurk could win big with Porzingas and Tatum in Boston.
 
Ed O said:
Also, Miami is at a high point right now... they lost in the first round last year.

So you add Dame, you lose Herro and other pieces in addition to Strus and Vincent losing. Higher ceiling, but definitely less depth and stability. And, again, this was a team that flamed out last year.

If he goes to Miami, there's a real chance that they don't have enough depth to be as good as they were. Or Dame gets hurt. And/or Butler gets hurt.

There's a big variance in what can happen, but the hype would be off the charts if they get Dame. So it could end poorly.
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Wouldn't THAT be a shame
 
Look at these fucking trades from the last few years:

Donovan Mitchell - September 3, 2022: Traded by the Utah Jazz to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Ochai Agbaji, Lauri Markkanen, Collin Sexton, a 2025 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2026 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2027 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2028 1st round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2029 1st round draft pick ( was later selected). Cleveland also received a trade exception 2025 1st-rd pick is CLE own 2026 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2027 1st-rd pick is CLE own 2028 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2029 1st-rd pick is CLE own

James Harden - January 13, 2021: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Houston Rockets to the Brooklyn Nets; the Brooklyn Nets traded Jarrett Allen and Taurean Prince to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Brooklyn Nets traded Rodions Kurucs, a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2022 1st round draft pick (Tari Eason was later selected), a 2023 1st round draft pick, a 2024 1st round draft pick, a 2025 1st round draft pick, a 2026 1st round draft pick and a 2027 1st round draft pick to the Houston Rockets; the Brooklyn Nets traded Caris Levert to the Indiana Pacers; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded a 2024 2nd round draft pick to the Brooklyn Nets; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Dante Exum and a 2022 1st round draft pick (MarJon Beauchamp was later selected) to the Houston Rockets; the Houston Rockets traded a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Jalen Pickett was later selected) to the Indiana Pacers; and the Indiana Pacers traded Victor Oladipo to the Houston Rockets. 2024 2nd-rd pick is CLE own 2021 1st-rd pick was a right to swap, did not convey 2023 1st-rd pick was a right to swap, did not convey 2025 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2027 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2022 1st-rd draft pick was MIL own 2023 2nd-rd pick was HOU own

Kevin Durant - February 9, 2023: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Brooklyn Nets with T.J. Warren to the Phoenix Suns; the Brooklyn Nets traded cash to the Indiana Pacers; the Indiana Pacers traded Juan Vaulet to the Brooklyn Nets; the Milwaukee Bucks traded a 2028 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2029 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Brooklyn Nets; the Milwaukee Bucks traded George Hill, Serge Ibaka, Jordan Nwora, a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Isaiah Wong was later selected), a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2025 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Indiana Pacers; the Phoenix Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson, a 2023 1st round draft pick (Noah Clowney was later selected), a 2025 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2027 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2028 1st round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2029 1st round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Brooklyn Nets; and the Phoenix Suns traded Jae Crowder to the Milwaukee Bucks. 2023 2nd-rd pick was CLE own 2024 2nd-rd pick is MIL own 2025 2nd-rd pick is IND own Brooklyn also received multiple trade exceptions 2023 1st-rd pick was PHO own 2025 1st-rd pick is PHO own 2027 1st-rd pick is PHO own 2028 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2029 1st-rd pick is PHO own 2028 2nd-rd pick is MIL own 2029 2nd-rd pick is MIL own

Rudy Gobert - July 6, 2022: Traded by the Utah Jazz to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Leandro Bolmaro, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt, a 2023 1st round draft pick (Keyonte George was later selected), a 2025 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2026 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2027 1st round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2029 1st round draft pick ( was later selected). Minnesota also received a trade exception Utah also received a trade exception 2025 1st-rd pick is MIN own 2026 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2027 1st-rd pick is MIN own conditional 2029 1st-rd pick is MIN own

Interesting that the Harden and Durant trades ended up being 4 team trades. That would indicate that this is going to be a 4 team trade.

Here is Kawhi - July 18, 2018: Traded by the San Antonio Spurs with Danny Green and cash to the Toronto Raptors for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Pöltl and a 2019 1st round draft pick (Keldon Johnson was later selected). (2019 1st-rd pick is top-20 protected.) $5MM
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Not sure he deserves credit for doing the obvious? Or does he?

edit: off-season ain’t over yet.
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That sounds like a double standard, if he does the right thing no credit, yet you assume he will not do the right thing going forward.

Gut feeling is that he is no pushover (see gp2 trade). If he does a trade that people deem unworthy, I suspect it comes to a difference of opinion on the value of what goes in or out, market for outgoing assets etc..., not a case of someone rolling over.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Not sure he deserves credit for doing the obvious? Or does he?

edit: off-season ain’t over yet.
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Explain how going from Robert Covington, Norman Powell and CJ McCollum to Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe is doing the obvious????
I'm not even including assets and players the Blazers will get when Dame is traded.

Is is not only Not Obvious, it's fucking magic.
 
beast crnjo said:
Damian is doing the team a favor, asking out, because management probably wouldn't have had the guts to do it otherwise.
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Agreed, but he did them a disfavor by naming Miami as the team he wants to go to. This will severely limit what Portland might be able to get for him.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Explain how going from Robert Covington, Norman Powell and CJ McCollum to Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe is doing the obvious????
I'm not even including assets and players the Blazers will get when Dame is traded.

Is is not only Not Obvious, it's fucking magic.
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I’m not giving Joe credit for us moving up in the lotto. Joe’s trade history is lame. Not trading Scoot or Shae was obvious. He doesn’t deserve credit for it. It’s not like he traded those players you listed for the picks, like the deal GW deal that netted us our pick from the Nets (which was ultimately Lillard).
 
Natebishop3 said:
He should. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous that he handed Joe a list of ONE TEAM.
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I think what's almost worse is the fact that in looking at the moves Miami made, it was orchestrated much earlier than his trade request. I think Dame's agent has been engaged for months in conversations with the Heat FO about how to put the squeeze on Portland and to get him there for scraps. In retrospect, it's pretty obvious how little Goodwin, Dame, and Riley think of Cronin's ability to negotiate.

What a wonderful opportunity to show them how wrong they were.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I’m not giving Joe credit for us moving up in the lotto. Joe’s trade history is lame. Not trading Scoot or Shae was obvious. He doesn’t deserve credit for it. It’s not like he traded those players you listed for the picks, like the deal GW deal that netted us our pick from the Nets (which was ultimately Lillard).
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Where would the Trail Blazers be right now if Neil Olshey were still the GM?

Anything different from that, I'm giving full credit to Cronin.
 
andalusian said:
That sounds like a double standard, if he does the right thing no credit, yet you assume he will not do the right thing going forward.

Gut feeling is that he is no pushover (see gp2 trade). If he does a trade that people deem unworthy, I suspect it comes to a difference of opinion on the value of what goes in or out, market for outgoing assets etc..., not a case of someone rolling over.
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The GP2 trade is one of my very favorites. Cronin knew how badly the Warriors wanted him back and he just kept holding out until they capitulated. Sure, they were second round picks, but if you draft well, they can have value, either on their own or as throw-ins to move up or as part of a trade.
 
Heat media saying how “uncomfortable” it will be for POR if they don’t trade Dame to MIA. The idea being it would poison the franchise. I think they are underestimating the intelligence of star players and their agents. You refuse a killer offer sheet because a player didn’t get to his preferred dream team? Any player dumb enough to follow that line of thinking is best avoided. Sure maybe a guy like Ja would be convinced to avoid POR. Aww snap!
 
Bingo Bango said:
Agreed, but he did them a disfavor by naming Miami as the team he wants to go to. This will severely limit what Portland might be able to get for him.
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Getting out of the last two years of his contract is a win. We'll probably miss him for the next two years though, but I think our young duo of guards may surprise people.
 
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