Honestly guys, do we need a trade?

[RR7]

Negative. From Coon's FAQ #19


It's just about the same thing as if we had a "normal" 3.4M trade exception. Except that we could also use it to sign a FA if we wanted to.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that's why it's much harder to get. A league-approved doc has to say that Joel's out for next year (not extremely out of the question with ruptured patella tendons--as Damon or McDyess). It's not a "temporary, when a guy's out 3 games and you need a stopgap until they're back" exception.

This isn't the exception we are getting, however. We are getting, or would be getting, the same one we got Tollievr with. It's not a dollar amount, it's a roster exception, to allow you to go over 15 (or 16) spots to have enough active players. The dollar exception(the one Houston got for Yao) has to be on an injury before November 30th, I believe.

This exception allows a team which is over the cap to acquire a replacement for a disabled player who will be out for the remainder of that season (if the player is disabled between July 1 and November 30) or the following season (if the player is disabled after November 30).

 

[Sug]

Miller & Blake, because Patty Mills is gonna rock your socks.

 

[illmatic99]

I would rather see us approach the Clippers for Kaman. They could save beaucoup bucks, and we could get a center. Sounds like a win-win to me.

It would take a hell of a lot more than Outlaw and Blake to land Kaman, though.

 

[REDIVIDER]

considering juwan is starting, yes

 

[Nikolokolus]

Juwan isn't too old. He's my age! He was a stud in high school, a stud in college (two NCAA championship games in his first two years playing with all freshman), and a stud in the NBA (All Star). He's been ready for this. He's stayed in shape and he can handle this.

36 for an NBA player? That is ancient. It's not so much about being able to do it for short stretches, it's the grind of a long season where I see his body breaking down and the recovery game to game not being there. It's true that compared to joe public Juwan is in amazing shape, but 36 year old bodies don't hold up well playing 30+ minutes a night, regardless of conditioning.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm looking at Samuel Dalambert.

Dude's under-performing right now (6pts, 8rebs, 2blks in 25mpg) and is owed $12.5 mil this year, and $13 mil next season. If we could package Webster, Outlaw, and Blake for the guy, we could have a legit center for this season and a $13 mil expiring contract for next that we can dangle in trade offers after GO returns. Hell, we could bring that to $20 mil expiring if we add Andre.

 

[RR7]

Doing that move leaves us without a SF.

 

[illmatic99]

Temporarily, yes. But Batum will return, and Rudy and Cunningham can play backup minutes (along with some sparse minutes for Roy). We wouldn't have a true 10 man rotation, but we don't really need two good players at each position to be successful, as long as we have at least one at each.

 

[RR7]

But we wouldn't have any. Temporarily, we have Roy dinged up, and now he'd be starting at SF for at least a month. Maybe two. I think we can weather the storm with Howard and Pendergraph up front, and look around the deadline, if we have Rudy and Batum fully healthy, to make a move for a big. But with all the injuries, I don;'t see how you can intentionally gut the team even more.

 

[illmatic99]

You're prob right. I'm at a loss for whom we can actually trade now.

 

[RR7]

I think Outlaw is our best bet, for a smaller piece. Once Rudy is back, I think he can fill Blake's role. Doubtful it would happen, but with him out for the season, I would include Joel in that list as well.

 

[hasoos]

A lot of folks forget that Juwan Howard has been a very good player in his careeer every time he has got consistent minutes. He may be in his 16th year in the league, but becauase of playing time issues on many teams he has been on, he really doesn't have 16 years of play on his legs.

I am really happy what I have seen from Pendergraph and Cunningham so far. Pendergraph definitly brings "the tough" to the team, and he looks fundamentally strong. Cunningham, while still adjusting to NBA speed, is also defensivly fundamentally strong, and knows his limitations on offense.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Blake and Outlaw are expiring, and if I understand correctly, Pendergraph, Mills, and Cunningham are all non-guaranteed. (which is just as good)

That means the Blazers could throw around $10 million of cap relief to a desperate team.

Probably a pipe dream.

 

[hasoos]

Blake and Outlaw are expiring, and if I understand correctly, Pendergraph, Mills, and Cunningham are all non-guaranteed. (which is just as good)

That means the Blazers could throw around $10 million of cap relief to a desperate team.

Probably a pipe dream.

You thinking of some sort of "Herchel Walker" type deal of like 7 for one?

 

[BrianFromWA]

This isn't the exception we are getting, however. We are getting, or would be getting, the same one we got Tollievr with. It's not a dollar amount, it's a roster exception, to allow you to go over 15 (or 16) spots to have enough active players. The dollar exception(the one Houston got for Yao) has to be on an injury before November 30th, I believe.

Why not? This most certainly qualifies to be looked at as a Disabled Player (rather than a Hardship). It has to be before Nov. 30 if Joel will be out for just the rest of this year, but can be anytime after that if a League doc says that Joel will reasonably be out for next year as well (see...Yao).

You could get the exception and not use it, ever. Or you could get the exemption and use it to trade for or sign a guy, but not go over the 15 (or in our current case, 16) players.

 

[RR7]

We would only be able to use it for next season, or this offseason, if Joel is determined to be out next season as well. We would not be able to use it this season.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Just throwing this name out there: Tyson Chandler.

He has one year left on his deal and the Bobcats suck (once again).

 

[RR7]

He's out with a stress reaction in his foot. Says 1-2 weeks. Our luck, he would walk off the plane and snap it in two.

 

[hasoos]

He's out with a stress reaction in his foot. Says 1-2 weeks. Our luck, he would walk off the plane and snap it in two.

Isn't that the same injury which has pretty much plagued him the last several years? I think it is chronic.

 

[Draco]

Tyson Chandler and Chris Kaman are a couple of great ideas. That is the type of deal I want to see KP investigating.

I wouldn't be very interested in Dalembert though, he has never been a quality NBA player, he is more of a specialist with glaring limitations in his game. I think we can do better if we are looking at bring on ~$10 million of payroll. The Hornets received Eric Maynor and they only have to give out a few extra million in cash (although the lux savings are quite a bit more for Utah)

Just throwing this name out there: Tyson Chandler.

He has one year left on his deal and the Bobcats suck (once again).

Or even the guy he was traded for, Emeka Okafor. The Hornets don't look like they're going to be serious contenders in the next few years, historically cheap Shinn might look to save major lux tax payments in the near term and position the franchise to add pieces around Paul a couple years down the line.

 

[Shapecity]

How about Brendan Haywood in Washington? He's in the final year of his contract at $6M. Maybe the Blazers could solve both needs by landing Butler & Haywood in a blockbuster deal?

 

[hasoos]

Tyson Chandler and Chris Kaman are a couple of great ideas. That is the type of deal I want to see KP investigating.

I wouldn't be very interested in Dalembert though, he has never been a quality NBA player, he is more of a specialist with glaring limitations in his game. I think we can do better if we are looking at bring on ~$10 million of payroll. The Hornets received Eric Maynor and they only have to give out a few extra million in cash (although the lux savings are quite a bit more for Utah)

I thought Maynor went to OKC. Did he get moved again?

 

[hasoos]

If I had to spend 10 million on salary coming in from Philadelphia it would be to get Brand, not Dalembert. Brand isn't fitting in there, and he isn't really happy with the teams effort. He is a great shot blocker and solid rebounder, and has solid fundamentals in the post. I don't expect him to fully recover from his knee surgery until next year, but he is playing well enough.

 

[illmatic99]

Brand still has about $52 mil on his deal for three more seasons after this one (14.6 this year). I don't think acquiring him would be a sound decision financially.

But, he is feeling out of sorts there. He's calling out teammates in the media and is bitching about rotations: http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/new...mber/24/brand-fumes-as-sixers-struggle-2.html

 

[Nikolokolus]

How about Brendan Haywood in Washington? He's in the final year of his contract at $6M. Maybe the Blazers could solve both needs by landing Butler & Haywood in a blockbuster deal?

If they have the juice to get Washington interested I'd do it, but I'm not sure why the Wiz would let go of a 6 million dollar expiring contract.

 

[hasoos]

Brand still has about $52 mil on his deal for three more seasons after this one (14.6 this year). I don't think acquiring him would be a sound decision financially.

But, he is feeling out of sorts there. He's calling out teammates in the media and is bitching about rotations: http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/new...mber/24/brand-fumes-as-sixers-struggle-2.html

Yep he is calling out team mates. But he is calling them out on stuff which he is correct to call them out for. I know he is expensive, but Brand fits into a slower team, and I have come to terms with the fact that the Blazers are a slow paced team. He is expensive, I will give you that. But he knows how to play basketball "the right way".

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Tyrus Thomas.

I think he'd be a very good backup PF. He's been injured this year but last year he was a 11/6/2(blks) in 27 min/per.

He brings something we desperately need: rebounding and shotblocking. Now, if we can only convince him to be a garbage man instead of a mid-range jumpshooter.

 

[hasoos]

Tyrus Thomas.

I think he'd be a very good backup PF. He's been injured this year but last year he was a 11/6/2(blks) in 27 min/per.

He brings something we desperately need: rebounding and shotblocking. Now, if we can only convince him to be a garbage man instead of a mid-range jumpshooter.

Yea I am a little concerned about his complaining about playing time in Chicago when he was there before. I had felt last year he had started to mature as a player, and even though they have Taj Gibson playing now, you can tell his inexperience hurts them. Gordon was a bigger loss, but Thomas was in addition to that when he broke his arm. That is taking 2 of your major rotation players from your playoff roster out of the equation, which effects any team.