Hood should be the priority

[e_blazer]

Interesting article by Marc Spears about being Muslim in the NBA:

https://theundefeated.com/features/being-muslim-in-the-nba/

Sorry this thread got hijacked from its original intent.

 

[e_blazer]

@wizenheimer , that is for soccer though. According to this article, typically a soccer player runs three times as much during a game. You never see a back to back in soccer because of it.

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20805366/the-distance-run-per-game-in-various-sports/

One article I read said professional basketball players can lose 1-2 liters of fluid during a game. That's 2-4.5 pounds of water weight. I assume that this is with them drinking fluids as the game goes along.

 

[BBert]

Obviously, I'd like to be able to keep all three.

Obviously, we can't.

So, at this point, my priority is Hood.

 

[BBert]

I wouldn't disagree with that, and also believe Hood is the most likely to take a home team discount. He seems to really appreciate the opportunity he has been given and seems to like the team/coach/city. His versatility to fill in (well) at SG or SF is also really nice.

I thought Kanter would be the most likely to take the "I want to stay here" discount for one year, haha.

In my view, Kanter clearly helped us more during the regular season than Hood and Curry, especially after Nurk's injury. Hood has clearly helped us more in in the playoffs overall than injured Kanter, so it's kind of hard to compare. Hood is also taller than Curry and can get a mid-range shot any time he wants. Based on Hood's playoff performance and the assumption that Nurk will be back mid-season, and should be effective in time for the playoffs, which is what really matters, my priority is Hood. But I'll take both, sure

 

[BBert]

I assumed nothing. I watched the video that dviss1 posted. Both Nurk and Chief said they observe Ramadan.

My point that having three guys who are main rotation players all fasting at the same time isn’t viable for an NBA franchise, I stand by that unless you can provide medical support that lack of fluids doesn’t affect the human body.

Like you said before, it isn't the heat, it's the humidity.

Edit: I mean, It isn't the fasting, it's the dehydration.

I thought normal fasting includes drinking extra fluids? This fasting is more hard core.

And no, I'm not complaining, nor would I hire an employee based on race, religion, creed, gender, or national origin.

Or something like that

 

[dviss1]

just as an ancillary observation, I think somebody should clearly demonstrate and establish their racism or intolerance before being accused of those transgressions. Too often the indictment and conviction happen with very little evidence

STFU. I'm the board member who has had the most racism portrayed against them. Period.

This was NOT done in this thread. Read the forum, then post.

Calling someone ignorant isn't a personal attack, nor is it a claim of racism. Stop derailing the thread.

 

[dviss1]

can we at least agree that it wasn't some form of religious intolerance, or at least not established by the post you objected to?

No one did this.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[BBert]

My biggest worry about not drinking anything while playing and for 10 hours before hand is that dehydration can cause severe leg cramps.

I hope they are drinking gallons of water at night. Although that might interfere with their sleep, if you know what I mean.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm really not trying to be combative yuyuza, but I'm not sure what 'guns' it is you're sticking too...?

today, daylight lasts 15 hours. Do you really believe somebody expressing concern about 3 rotation players, including 2 starters, going without food and water for 15 hours a day during the playoffs is an 'overblown' concern?

can we at least agree that it wasn't some form of religious intolerance, or at least not established by the post you objected to?

it really might be helpful to have some data on this but it looks like an inconclusive landscape:


"Design
Two Algerian professional soccer teams (55 men) were studied. Field tests of physical and soccer performance were collected before, at the end and 2 weeks after Ramadan in 2004. Players were queried on sleeping habits and personal perception of training and match performance.

Setting
Field setting at club training ground.

Main outcome measures
Performance on fitness and skill tests.

Results
Performance declined significantly (p<0.05) for speed, agility, dribbling speed and endurance, and most stayed low after the conclusion of Ramadan. Nearly 70% of the players thought that their training and performance were adversely affected during the fast."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465333/

another:

"The absence of fluid intake in the day
may have a greater impact on performance than the absence of food, especially
when training and competition take place in thermally stressful environments.
Even mild dehydration may have adverse effects on a number of physiological and
cognitive functions that are important components of performance. Collectively,
these changes may cause perturbations that alter the physiological responses to
exercise, which may have detrimental effects on sports performance.
............................................
It is well established that hypohydration can reduce physical performance. A
recent review of the literature concluded that, in warm-to-hot weather, dehydration
by 2% or more of BM will impair the performance of aerobic exercise, and may
also degrade mental/cognitive function. In addition, mild-to-moderate levels of
hypohydration produce small but significant decrements in high-intensity exercise "

https://www.researchgate.net/public...g_on_Sports_Performance_and_Training_A_Review

that one's an insanely long read that made my eyes glaze over about 13% thru it

main thing is that logically, we just about have to assume it limits performance. That at least makes it worthy of discussion and consideration

the other side of it may be that you just have to assign priorities, individually and as an organization. And perhaps, at a certain point, treating people right trumps winning a damn basketball game

I don't think you need all this evidence to simply convey that water is obviously necessary for top physical performance. The religious angle is secondary. My issue is not that, it never was. It was the idea that this fast is the sole explanation for Kanter's performance and then using this evidence to justify avoiding others like Kanter is what bugged me.

 

[dviss1]

I don't think you need all this evidence to simply convey that water is obviously necessary for top physical performance. The religious angle is secondary. My issue is not that, it never was. It was the idea that this fast is the sole explanation for Kanter's performance and then using this evidence to justify avoiding others like Kanter is what bugged me.

So many

in this thread.

 

[dviss1]

just as an ancillary observation, I think somebody should clearly demonstrate and establish their racism or intolerance before being accused of those transgressions. Too often the indictment and conviction happen with very little evidence

You don't have to drive a car with a confederate flag on top or loudly say the N word to be racist. Just a thought.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't think you need all this evidence to simply convey that water is obviously necessary for top physical performance. The religious angle is secondary. My issue is not that, it never was. It was the idea that this fast is the sole explanation for Kanter's performance and then using this evidence to justify avoiding others like Kanter is what bugged me.

If this is aimed at my original post, I certainly didn’t say that the fast was the only explanation for Kanter’s decline in production. There are likely other factors, but lack of hydration has to be among them. And if I were a GM I would certainly be concerned about having too many rotation players who would be avoiding liquids for an extended period at the same time. Sorry if that bugs you, but I think it’s a valid concern.

We live in a time of heightened concern about racial and religious prejudice. I happen to think that concern is a good thing for our society. I’d never advocate discrimination on a racial or religious basis for any typical job. But for professional athletics, a religious practice that impacts your ability to perform at top levels is a valid concern, IMO. I have posted here for years, as have you. I don’t think you can point to anything I have ever posted that shows prejudice. It would be nice if you took that into account before you flame me on something like this.

 

[illmatic99]

If this is aimed at my original post, I certainly didn’t say that the fast was the only explanation for Kanter’s decline in production. There are likely other factors, but lack of hydration has to be among them. And if I were a GM I would certainly be concerned about having too many rotation players who would be avoiding liquids for an extended period at the same time. Sorry if that bugs you, but I think it’s a valid concern.

We live in a time of heightened concern about racial and religious prejudice. I happen to think that concern is a good thing for our society. I’d never advocate discrimination on a racial or religious basis for any typical job. But for professional athletics, a religious practice that impacts your ability to perform at top levels is a valid concern, IMO. I have posted here for years, as have you. I don’t think you can point to anything I have ever posted that shows prejudice. It would be nice if you took that into account before you flame me on something like this.

I didn't call your post prejudiced. I called it ignorant. Enough of this

I agree on Hood being most important. Wish we could bring him back

 

[e_blazer]

I didn't call your post prejudiced. I called it ignorant. Enough of this

I agree on Hood being most important. Wish we could bring him back

It was ignorant about Ramadan not being a the same time every year.

Agree on Hood. He’s such a great fit for this team. I’d love Seth back too, but I don’t think that is likely.

 

[Blazers Roy]

I don't remember how Kanter fared against GS on that OKC run.
I remember GS having huge problems against their size, Durant and Adams were a problem for them... I just don't remember how Kanter was used in that series.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't remember how Kanter fared against GS on that OKC run.
I remember GS having huge problems against their size, Durant and Adams were a problem for them... I just don't remember how Kanter was used in that series.

The chart says that Ramadan started on June 6 in 2016, so that wouldn't have been a factor in the GSW/OKC WCF.

 

[Blazers Roy]

The chart says that Ramadan started on June 6 in 2016, so that wouldn't have been a factor in the GSW/OKC WCF.

lol i dont care about the Ramadan stuff, there's nothing we can do about it. I just want to know how he was used\was he effective.

 

[e_blazer]

lol i dont care about the Ramadan stuff, there's nothing we can do about it. I just want to know how he was used\was he effective.

He backed up Steven Adams and played 6 - 18 minutes per game. Game 3 was his best performance.

G1: 18 min, 3 pts., 6 reb.
G2: 15 min, 6 pts., 2 reb.
G3: 18 min, 10 pts., 12 reb.
G4: 8 min, 1 pt., 2 reb.
G5: 6 min, 1 pt., 2 reb.
G6: 11 min, 8 pts., 3 reb.
G7: 9 min, 8 pts., 4 reb.

 

[Blazers Roy]

He backed up Steven Adams and played 6 - 18 minutes per game. Game 3 was his best performance.

G1: 18 min, 3 pts., 6 reb.
G2: 15 min, 6 pts., 2 reb.
G3: 18 min, 10 pts., 12 reb.
G4: 8 min, 1 pt., 2 reb.
G5: 6 min, 1 pt., 2 reb.
G6: 11 min, 8 pts., 3 reb.
G7: 9 min, 8 pts., 4 reb.

Thanks, i was too lazy to dig.
So it Seems like Hood is the bigger asset, if you rank this GS match-up higher on your GM priorities, but i think Kanter would be higher in terms of regular season contribution\seeding.

 

[e_blazer]

Thanks, i was too lazy to dig.
So it Seems like Hood is the bigger asset, if you rank this GS match-up higher on your GM priorities, but i think Kanter would be higher in terms of regular season contribution\seeding.

That's a good point. I think that they're both valuable, and I wouldn't have the concern about Kanter as much if he's a backup. In fact, maybe he and Nurk could work in tandem at the 5 even when they're fasting, as long as both are healthy.

 

[BBert]

It was ignorant about Ramadan not being a the same time every year.

Agree on Hood. He’s such a great fit for this team. I’d love Seth back too, but I don’t think that is likely.

Seth will go to Golden State, haha

 

[e_blazer]

Seth will go to Golden State, haha

Would that be Curry x 2 or Curry squared?

 

[James lamphear]

Does everyone knows how many FA out there this year there a shit load. There also some pretty big names out there too. The top 5 going get the big money then then next 5. What there about 5 team with a lot money. Okay Hood Kanter Curry Aminu is our UFA this year. There not enough money out there for players going get what they want. So there going be a lot discount out there even the ones we got. Now Aminu could sign bigger contract if he stays with us. But I think Curry and Aminu what call a Davis casualties. This where olshey will want Simons and Zach to take there place for continue there development. Now it going be between Hood and Kanter to get the mid level exception. What I seen on the combine yesterday it only 5.6 million but that could be wrong. I thought it was over 9 million next year and if that the case I see both Hood and Kanter split that for maybe bigger contract next year with the team or else where. Remember to many UFA this year and some big names out there and they will get all money right off. So there going to be a lot players not going get paid what they think they deserve.

 

[BonesJones]

Does everyone knows how many FA out there this year there a shit load. There also some pretty big names out there too. The top 5 going get the big money then then next 5. What there about 5 team with a lot money. Okay Hood Kanter Curry Aminu is our UFA this year. There not enough money out there for players going get what they want. So there going be a lot discount out there even the ones we got. Now Aminu could sign bigger contract if he stays with us. But I think Curry and Aminu what call a Davis casualties. This where olshey will want Simons and Zach to take there place for continue there development. Now it going be between Hood and Kanter to get the mid level exception. What I seen on the combine yesterday it only 5.6 million but that could be wrong. I thought it was over 9 million next year and if that the case I see both Hood and Kanter split that for maybe bigger contract next year with the team or else where. Remember to many UFA this year and some big names out there and they will get all money right off. So there going to be a lot players not going get paid what they think they deserve.

The Tax MLE is at $5.7M, the Full is at $8.9M.

If you want Hood and Kanter to split at $4.4M for the Full MLE, you might as well have Hood sign for his non-bird rghts ($4.2M) and Kanter for the Tax MLe ($5.7M).

 

[BBert]

That's underpaid on both counts. But it's only one year, and if they really want to stay I can see it happening. Then again, I'm a dreamer

 

[James lamphear]

The Tax MLE is at $5.7M, the Full is at $8.9M.

If you want Hood and Kanter to split at $4.4M for the Full MLE, you might as well have Hood sign for his non-bird rghts ($4.2M) and Kanter for the Tax MLe ($5.7M).

Thanks for the info.

 

[BonesJones]

Thanks for the info.

Yup. If the Blazers use the Full MLE their salary cant pass $139M (apx. $7M past the luxury tax line) for the whole season. If they don't want that restriction, they can only use the tax-payer MLE.

 

[wizenheimer]

Calling someone ignorant isn't a personal attack

wut?

 

[dviss1]

wut?

 

[wizenheimer]

do you honestly believe calling somebody ignorant is not insulting?

or are you just assuming one of several definitions of ignorant, the part about 'lacking knowledge'?