Hoopsworld: PDX and NYK will likely throw a lot of money at SVG this summer

[illmatic99]

Van Gundy would be one of the top coaches on the market and would have no problem finding a job elsewhere. The New York Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers are two teams that would likely throw a lot of money at Van Gundy this offseason.

Also:

McMillan is someone that the Magic would target should Van Gundy leave. Howard would be behind the hiring since the two men have gotten to know each other during their time with Team USA.

A Nate for SVG swap would be pretty cool for us.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-saturday-jason-kidd-discusses-future

 

[PapaG]

Also:


A Nate for SVG swap would be pretty cool for us.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-saturday-jason-kidd-discusses-future

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I'd rather have a Howard for LMA swap ... that would actually make a difference.

 

[BBert]

The Blazers need to hire a coach that Deron Williams wants to play for. We need all the help we can get.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If we get one of D'Antoni, Van Gundy and Carlisle, I won't be upset. If we don't, I might be. Maybe we'll just wait out Thibodeau?

Although, is Van Gundy that great? Doesn't he do with Howard exactly what Hill did with Shaq back in the day? With exactly the same results?

 

[Boob-No-More]

If we get one of D'Antoni, Van Gundy and Carlisle, I won't be upset. If we don't, I might be. Maybe we'll just wait out Thibodeau?

Although, is Van Gundy that great? Doesn't he do with Howard exactly what Hill did with Shaq back in the day? With exactly the same results?

SVG has outstanding winning percentages both regular season (.648) and post season (.573). I'll take him over a mediocre coach like Nate any day of the week. He's also gotten his team past the first round five of the six times he's coached in the playoffs (and that doesn't even include the Heat championship back in 2006 when Pat Riley rode in and stole the show).

BNM

 

[BBert]

I don't get all the intense Van Gundy Brothers love, but whatever. He's an improvement over Nate, I think.

 

[BBert]

SVG has outstanding winning percentages both regular season (.648) and post season (.573). I'll take him over a mediocre coach like Nate any day of the week. He's also gotten his team past the first round five of the six times he's coached in the playoffs (and that doesn't even include the Heat championship back in 2006 when Pat Riley rode in and stole the show).

BNM

OK. Well, you answered my question, before I typed it, LOL.

 

[Natebishop3]

Stan Van is definitely not a bad coach... I still wish we'd picked up Adelman last summer.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't really like SVG's offense. So reliant on threes. Hard to say if his offense is that way because he has so many shooters, or otherwise. I can't remember how he was in MIA with DWade back in the day before Riley took over.

 

[magnifier661]

I would rather have Jeff than Steve. Jeff seems to focus on defense and sets up a damn good half court offense. He's not afraid to run, but understands what it takes to win in the playoffs.

 

[PapaG]

SVG has outstanding winning percentages both regular season (.648) and post season (.573). I'll take him over a mediocre coach like Nate any day of the week. He's also gotten his team past the first round five of the six times he's coached in the playoffs (and that doesn't even include the Heat championship back in 2006 when Pat Riley rode in and stole the show).

BNM

Coaching Dwyane Wade, Shaq, and Dwight Howard doesn't hurt a guy's coaching record. Let's not forget Shaq calling him out for panicking on the sidelines in big games.

"And one thing I really despise is a front-runner, so I know for a fact that he's a master of panic, and when it gets time for his team to go in the postseason and do certain things, he will let them down because of his panic. I've been there before, I've played for him."

Hell, the only year a Van Gundy team won a title, Stan got shit-canned 21 games into the season.

Yeah, hire that guy.

 

[PapaG]

If you don't have the players, it doesn't matter who the coach is in terms of making a run at a title. Although, as Van Gundy proved in Miami, a team with players can win a title when they get rid of the coach holding them back.

 

[magnifier661]

If you don't have the players, it doesn't matter who the coach is in terms of making a run at a title.

I think we have those players already. And if we get a playmaker wing, we could contend even next season.

 

[PapaG]

I think we have those players already. And if we get a playmaker wing, we could contend even next season.

Yeah, well, ummmm...

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah, well, ummmm...

You don't have to agree with me or be sarcastic about it. I think Aldridge, Batum, Matthews, and Flynn are good players. Add a free agent or two and you got a damn good rotation. Forgot about vanilla as well as a nice backup big.

 

[Natebishop3]

You don't have to agree with me or be sarcastic about it. I think Aldridge, Batum, Matthews, and Flynn are good players. Add a free agent or two and you got a damn good rotation. Forgot about vanilla as well as a nice backup big.

Mags, I love ya, but you are one seriously delusional guy.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'd rather hire Mike Budenholzer from San Antonio. He started off as the team’s video coordinator so you know he's going to be good at coaching.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think we should hire Del Harris....

1...2....3..... Cancun!

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, I love ya, but you are one seriously delusional guy.

Dude all we need is a Allstar playmaker and we can contend. Just look at the games whn Jamal actually has a solid game? If he was consistent we would be in the hunt for the top seed. We just don't have that playmaker like Roy that can carry a team in the 4th from the perimeter. Also getting to te line is a plus.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dude all we need is a Allstar playmaker and we can contend. Just look at the games whn Jamal actually has a solid game? If he was consistent we would be in the hunt for the top seed. We just don't have that playmaker like Roy that can carry a team in the 4th from the perimeter. Also getting to te line is a plus.

As much as I want to add Deron Williams to this team, what has he done for NJ?

 

[magnifier661]

I've always been a dunleavy fan.

 

[magnifier661]

As much as I want to add Deron Williams to this team, what has he done for NJ?

Wrong system and players built around him. Aldridge is a perfect compliment to Williams. Let's not forget how good Utah was with him either. We would have two allstars. Deron is a superstar. If we land a good pick, we could have a solid 2nd or 3rd option. Hickson is a great bench player as well. If we get a starting quality SG via free agency, than Matthews and hickson would be great bench players.

 

[magnifier661]

As much as I want to add Deron Williams to this team, what has he done for NJ?

Wrong system and players built around him. Aldridge is a perfect compliment to Williams. Let's not forget how good Utah was with him either. We would have two allstars. Deron is a superstar. If we land a good pick, we could have a solid 2nd or 3rd option. Hickson is a great bench player as well. If we get a starting quality SG via free agency, than Matthews and hickson would be great bench players.

 

[handiman]

I don't get all the intense Van Gundy Brothers love, but whatever. He's an improvement over Nate, I think.

Personality.

 

[Tince]

Whoever we hire won't be good enough for a lot of people here. SVG would be an ok hire considering. D'Antonio would be the only "big name" hire I would be way against.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Coaching Dwyane Wade, Shaq, and Dwight Howard doesn't hurt a guy's coaching record.

Van Gundy's first year coaching in Miami was Wade's rookie year. There was no Shaq. Wade missed 20 games and the highest PER on the team was Lamar Odom's 18.5. That team had three players with PER > 14.0 (Odom at 18.5, Wade at 17.6 and Eddie Jones at 16.7). They had no all stars, two below average starters and a very weak bench full of below average cast-offs and role players. Yet, SVG managed to get that squad to the second round.

Compare that to the first time Nate took the Blazers to the playoffs. Brandon Roy was in his third season, healthy and had a PER of 24.0 (7th in the league) was 6th in WS and WS/48 an all star, 2nd team All NBA and 9th in MVP voting. Nate had a roster full of above average players. He had SIX players with PER > 15.0 (Roy = 24.0, Aldridge = 19.1, Oden = 18.1, Rudy = 15.5, Joel = 15.4, Outlaw = 15.1). That team was stacked from top to bottom, inside and out - and all players were healthy going into that series. Yet, Nate McMillan couldn't even get them past the first round. In fact, in spite of home court advantage, he couldn't even get to a 7th game in the first round. Given the talent McMillan had, that series against Houston was a total failure on his part.

Hell, the only year a Van Gundy team won a title, Stan got shit-canned 21 games into the season.

Wow, are you really this clueless, or is it all part of your act? That season, Shaq played the first two games and then missed the next 19 games due to injury (sprained ankle). It was no coincidence that Pat Riley took over as head coach the exact same day Shaq came back from his injury. Riley was just waiting for his opportunity to swoop in and "lead" the Heat to a title. A healthy Shaq made that possible.

And for the record, Van Gundy wasn't shit canned, he resigned. At least that was the official word. It was obvious at the time he was forced out, and it was even accurately predicted, in advance by several sports writers, including Adrian Wojnarowski, who wrote in July (Van Gundy resigned in mid-December):

"Pat Riley needs to stop framing this as some noble return to his passion, and tell the truth. His ego could never stay in the background and let Stan Van Gundy get the shot at bringing that championship parade to the shores of Biscayne Bay.

Suddenly, coaching the Heat is a glamour job again, and Riley's ego would never let him sit that out. If Riley will want to insist this was a hard choice based purely on the best chance for a championship, or finding the best coach for the job, ancient NBA history backs him. It's just that modern history doesn't. Across the past two seasons, almost no one in the league has coached better than Van Gundy."

And BTW, the season before he was "shit canned", Van Gundy led the Heat to a game seven in the Eastern Conference Finals against the defending champion Pistons - and the Heat might have won that series in six games had Dwyane Wade not been injured and missed game six (the Heat were up 3 games to 2 at that point).

Yeah, hire that guy.

Stan Van Gundy may, or may not be the right guy for the job, but he's infinitely better, and has a far superior track record, especially in the post season than the guy we just fired - your man crush Nate McMillan. It's laughable to even compare the two. Van Gundy's teams almost always make it past the first round (one exception), McMillian's teams almost never do (again one exception).

BNM

 

[MARIS61]

Look back at every coach PA has ever hired and their relative qualifications, experience and lack of media attention.

There's a pattern there.

 

[PapaG]

Van Gundy's first year coaching in Miami was Wade's rookie year. There was no Shaq. Wade missed 20 games and the highest PER on the team was Lamar Odom's 18.5. That team had three players with PER > 14.0 (Odom at 18.5, Wade at 17.6 and Eddie Jones at 16.7). They had no all stars, two below average starters and a very weak bench full of below average cast-offs and role players. Yet, SVG managed to get that squad to the second round.

Compare that to the first time Nate took the Blazers to the playoffs. Brandon Roy was in his third season, healthy and had a PER of 24.0 (7th in the league) was 6th in WS and WS/48 an all star, 2nd team All NBA and 9th in MVP voting. Nate had a roster full of above average players. He had SIX players with PER > 15.0 (Roy = 24.0, Aldridge = 19.1, Oden = 18.1, Rudy = 15.5, Joel = 15.4, Outlaw = 15.1). That team was stacked from top to bottom, inside and out - and all players were healthy going into that series. Yet, Nate McMillan couldn't even get them past the first round. In fact, in spite of home court advantage, he couldn't even get to a 7th game in the first round. Given the talent McMillan had, that series against Houston was a total failure on his part.



Wow, are you really this clueless, or is it all part of your act? That season, Shaq played the first two games and then missed the next 19 games due to injury (sprained ankle). It was no coincidence that Pat Riley took over as head coach the exact same day Shaq came back from his injury. Riley was just waiting for his opportunity to swoop in and "lead" the Heat to a title. A healthy Shaq made that possible.

And for the record, Van Gundy wasn't shit canned, he resigned. At least that was the official word. It was obvious at the time he was forced out, and it was even accurately predicted, in advance by several sports writers, including Adrian Wojnarowski, who wrote in July (Van Gundy resigned in mid-December):

"Pat Riley needs to stop framing this as some noble return to his passion, and tell the truth. His ego could never stay in the background and let Stan Van Gundy get the shot at bringing that championship parade to the shores of Biscayne Bay.

Suddenly, coaching the Heat is a glamour job again, and Riley's ego would never let him sit that out. If Riley will want to insist this was a hard choice based purely on the best chance for a championship, or finding the best coach for the job, ancient NBA history backs him. It's just that modern history doesn't. Across the past two seasons, almost no one in the league has coached better than Van Gundy."

And BTW, the season before he was "shit canned", Van Gundy led the Heat to a game seven in the Eastern Conference Finals against the defending champion Pistons - and the Heat might have won that series in six games had Dwyane Wade not been injured and missed game six (the Heat were up 3 games to 2 at that point).



Stan Van Gundy may, or may not be the right guy for the job, but he's infinitely better, and has a far superior track record, especially in the post season than the guy we just fired - your man crush Nate McMillan. It's laughable to even compare the two. Van Gundy's teams almost always make it past the first round (one exception), McMillian's teams almost never do (again one exception).

BNM

I stand by most post, and your spin doesn't really matter to me. Why not address Shaq calling out SVG, and not respecting him at all? Perhaps you can tell me again how Derrick Williams doesn't play SF? You disappeared after that disaster, right?

What has SVG done with elite talent/MVP caliber players? NOTHING

 

[PapaG]

Here is BoobNoMore's ideal coach Stan Van Gundy's idea of pick and roll defense late in a game from tonight.

Yeah, let's have the Blazers hire this guy!! :MARIS61:

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[Tince]

I hate to break it to the coach haters on this board, but unless they want to give Rick Patino's full court pressing experiment, we're most likely going to hire a coach that depends on isolations and pick & rolls in clutch situations. There are so many theories on how to defend the P&R out there because it's probably the hardest play to defend. If it were an easy way to defend it, everyone would do it the same way and teams wouldn't run it all the time.

Here is BoobNoMore's ideal coach Stan Van Gundy's idea of pick and roll defense late in a game from tonight.

Yeah, let's have the Blazers hire this guy!! :MARIS61: