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oldmangrouch said:
How many players show nothing their first year, and then actually turn out to be impact players?
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Define "impact player". Is it a solid, above average NBA starter, or a future Hall of Famer. Jermaine was the example cited, but there are plenty of big men who start out slow and end up having very solid careers.

It cracks me up that the same people who are all over throwing big bucks at Pekovic are the same people who want to trade Leonard. Go back and compare Pekovic's advanced rookie stats to Leonard's. Leonard's stats are BETTER, across the board, and in some cases WAY better. And Leonard is a 20-year old rookie. Pekovic was 25 his rookie season.

BNM
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Because they're not trapped by outdated gender stereotypes? Because they know that the chicks dig long flowing locks? Because they're not sad old farts who think it's a bad thing to "look like a girl"?
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"chicks dig long flowing locks"

Some women do, some think it makes a man look like a girl.

You didn't even come close to answering the question. He never even said it was a bad thing to look like a girl. Do you have long hair?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
"chicks dig long flowing locks"

Some women do, some think it makes a man look like a girl.

You didn't even come close to answering the question. He never even said it was a bad thing to look like a girl. Do you have long hair?
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I used to and looking back; I looked like a total girl!
 
If between now and then we somehow added a center as good as Sabonis and a backup big man as good as Brian Grant I couldn't care less what happens to Leonard.
 
Hope we don't make the same mistake with Leonard as we did with Sergio and Rudy and Bonzi and Zach and Oden.

We could have traded any of those guys for a ton of value at various points during their first or second year but didn't because "they could be the next Jermaine O'Neal."

How'd that work out for us?

There's just as much danger in holding on to a young prospect too long as there is in letting him go too soon. Maybe more.
 
mook said:
Hope we don't make the same mistake with Leonard as we did with Sergio and Rudy and Bonzi and Zach and Oden.

We could have traded any of those guys for a ton of value at various points during their first or second year but didn't because "they could be the next Jermaine O'Neal."

How'd that work out for us?

There's just as much danger in holding on to a young prospect too long as there is in letting him go too soon. Maybe more.
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I think Randolph's had a better career than Jermaine.
 
Robin Lopez was an 11 PER guy as a 20 year old rookie, he's now a 20 PER guy. Or, as mentioned earlier, Pekovic and his 11 PER as a 25 year old rookie. Kaman had a 9.6 PER as a 21 year old rookie.

Stick a fork in him, he's done.
 
Lol. It went from bumping threads saying how Meyers was a great pick and not a big white stiff to now hoping Blazers don't make a mistake and trade him to early.

There is certainly a lot of bumping of threads to do if Meyers pans out . . .
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Presumably this was before you turned into John Belushi.
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Rastapopoulos said:
Because they're not trapped by outdated gender stereotypes? Because they know that the chicks dig long flowing locks? Because they're not sad old farts who think it's a bad thing to "look like a girl"?
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Adam Morrison could grow his hair as long as he likes, won't hide the fact that he fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
 
BlazerWookee said:
We didn't make a mistake with Jermaine. He wasn't ready, and our window was closing. We went all in with a pretty damned decent hand, sometimes you just get beat by better cards.
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This. And every time he was put in the game he looked horribly lost. And Dale Davis and just defended Shaq - our primary road block - better than anyone else in the league. The trade was sound, it just didn't work out.
And while it would have been better to have mid-career Jermaine than late-career Davis, Jermaine really only "dominated" the East when there wasn't any real competition. He certainly wasn't going to take us near a Championship had we kept him. And if he had an injury plagued career playing for other teams just imagine how busted he would have been playing under our Medical/Training staff.
 
It seems to me that a lot of the players listed, and I know it's almost impossible to find near exact comparisons, but the one's listed were either straight to the NBA from high school, or had poor offensive numbers as a rookie, but still were very good defending the rim.

I'm sure I am missing several players, but I can't think of any off the top of my head (Chris Kaman?) He was 10/9 in 36 minutes as a rookie. Leonard is 10/7.5. That's close
 
It took me some time, but I think I just realized who Leonard reminds me of.

BJ Mullens.
 
Blessed with awesome athleticism and possessing great hands, Mullens has some unique tools. However, he's going to need a lot of help to achieve his potential. He has more going for him than Thabeet did at that point in his career, but is nowhere near the defensive presence, and thus may very well have to develop his game while riding the pine, since he's not likely to get a lot of playing time right away. Mullens will have to put in the work in on his own if he's to earn playing time, and thus will have to develop a good deal of self-discipline with his work ethic if he's to reach his potential.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Kilfeesx
http://www.draftexpress.com
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Straight outta draftexpress pre-draft. Look a little bit familiar?
 
Nikolokolus said:
It took me some time, but I think I just realized who Leonard reminds me of.

BJ Mullens.
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BJ is a good comparison. Neither defend the rim particularly well (Leonard is much better at it than Mullens) Mullens is a little more of a jump shooter, although both like to drift outside.

Chris Mihm is the guy I always think about when I think of comparisons for Meyers.

Channing Frye is another good comparison, I think. Leonard is a bit bigger, but they have similar games
 
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Mediocre Man said:
BJ is a good comparison. Neither defend the rim particularly well (Leonard is much better at it than Mullens) Mullens is a little more of a jump shooter, although both like to drift outside.

Chris Mihm is the guy I always think about when I think of comparisons for Meyers.

Channing Frye is another good comparison, I think. Leonard is a bit bigger, but they have similar games
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Frye seemed to have more BB awareness. He may not have been the greatest defender; but it seemed like he played position defense much better. Also, he was decent with help defense. Maybe Leonard may get to Frye's level someday.

Personally, I think Leonard was a wasted pick. I actually don't think there is much hope for him to be any better than 6 ppg, 7 rebounds, 1 block (my opinion on his ceiling)
 
magnifier661 said:
Frye seemed to have more BB awareness. He may not have been the greatest defender; but it seemed like he played position defense much better. Also, he was decent with help defense. Maybe Leonard may get to Frye's level someday.

Personally, I think Leonard was a wasted pick. I actually don't think there is much hope for him to be any better than 6 ppg, 7 rebounds, 1 block (my opinion on his ceiling)
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You're going to get blown up for saying it, but you're probably more right than wrong ... but that's the case for most bigs. The bust rate is pretty damned high on seven footers.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You're going to get blown up for saying it, but you're probably more right than wrong ... but that's the case for most bigs. The bust rate is pretty damned high on seven footers.
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I really hope I'm wrong though. I'm just not "OMGing" about this kid. Nothing against him. I just think mentally, he has what it takes to improve like an Aldridge, Batum, etc.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You're going to get blown up for saying it, but you're probably more right than wrong ... but that's the case for most bigs. The bust rate is pretty damned high on seven footers.
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Especially American....oh never mind
 
What people need to understand about Leonard, is that he's never really been coached. It's evident that at Illinois they simply placed him in the sytem and didn't take the time to develop him individually. Very typical in college ranks with only so much practice time available.
 
Leonard's underlining stats seem pretty good for his limited minutes. I don't think he will be a bust at all. Just don't expect him to come close to being a star.
 
HailBlazers said:
What people need to understand about Leonard, is that he's never really been coached. It's evident that at Illinois they simply placed him in the sytem and didn't take the time to develop him individually. Very typical in college ranks with only so much practice time available.
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Wild speculation. You have no idea how much (or how little) coaching he received.
 
Where in the fuck is the bitter hatred towards Mags for daring to say anything bad about Leonard?
 
Problem with Leonard is he doesn't seem to be improving (even slightly0). He showed signs early in the season of potentially having an impact on hte team. So it is there somewhere, but I was hoping to see a slow gradual improvement (with the ocassional bust game).
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Problem with Leonard is he doesn't seem to be improving (even slightly0). He showed signs early in the season of potentially having an impact on hte team. So it is there somewhere, but I was hoping to see a slow gradual improvement (with the ocassional bust game).
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It could be due to his ankle, I don't believe that to be the case, but it could?


Interesting numbers for Leonard

It looked as if he was projecting the right way

PER by month

Nov 13.97 (15 games)
Dec 12.67 (13 Games)
Jan 14.28 (5 games)
Feb 2.48 (No, I did not miss a number) (6 games)

Points/Rebounds/Blocks Per 36 minutes

Nov 10.35/7.66/1.92
Dec 10.56/7.92/1.62
Jan 13.09/8.72/0.00
Feb 5.13/6.59/0.73
 
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