Hopefully Paul Allen Will Learn Something from Mark Cuban

[PapaG]

If it's only 'patience' and 'consistency', I'll be thrilled.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Cuban is always changing over his roster. In 09-10the Mavs had 18 players throughout the year, and in 10-11 9 of those players weren't there anymore, including rotation players and starters. Cuban fired Avery Johnson after winning coach of the year and taking the team to the Western Conference Finals. Patience and consistency in some areas, but not where it matters. Cuban is a mover and a shaker.

 

[PapaG]

Cuban is always changing over his roster. In 09-10the Mavs had 18 players throughout the year, and in 10-11 9 of those players weren't there anymore, including rotation players and starters. Cuban fired Avery Johnson after winning coach of the year and taking the team to the Western Conference Finals. Patience and consistency in some areas, but not where it matters. Cuban is a mover and a shaker.

Cuban could have easily traded Dirk, and he has had a Nelson in the front office for years.

 

[BrianFromWA]

who are our "Dirk and Terry", the only guys around from 4 years ago? LMA and Oden? LMA and Wes? Batum?

Pick two players you think will be here when the Blazers win the 2015-16 title.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nelson has been there a long time, thus in some areas. As for not trading Dirk, nor should Portland trade Aldridge at this point. LA made huge steps last season, and should be urged to continue to make steps as LaMonster. Build the team around him, which means much more up tempo, and go. Our roster right now is not good, and sitting on it will only lengthen the time between pretending and contending. Portland and KP made huge mistakes rebuilding this roster. They found two great players in the 06' draft that were about as different as they could be on the court. Then added pieces that benefitted one or the other. With Roy's knee issues, Portland needs to hone in on LA and build the entire team, including their coach, around him. If they add something better than him great, but that player should fit in with him.

I am all for patience, but when you have a broken model, patience isn't what you need.

 

[Mediocre Man]

who are our "Dirk and Terry", the only guys around from 4 years ago? LMA and Oden? LMA and Wes? Batum?

Pick two players you think will be here when the Blazers win the 2015-16 title.

LA, Knight will be here when the Blazers advance out of the first round. Title? LOL

 

[e_blazer]

Let's not jump into the usual nuttiness around here and start imparting some superior wisdom to Cuban and the Mavs' management. Nobody around the NBA was impressed enough with their roster to have them as a favorite to win a title this year. They were fortunate in that Dirk decided to re-sign with the team last summer rather than pulling a LeBron and looking for another team with more superstars. They were fortunate that the Lakers imploded and the Thunder couldn't get past their youthful jitters. They were fortunate that they didn't have any serious injuries other than Butler and that they were able to cover for that loss by getting better than expected play out of Peja when he signed on to help fill the void. They were fortunate that role players meshed and were able to contribute. They were fortunate that they got hot at the right time. And they were fortunate that the pressure of heightened media expectations messed with the Heat's mojo. In short...it was their year. Does anybody really think it will be again next season?

 

[HailBlazers]

Pick two players you think will be here when the Blazers win the 2015-16 title.

Twin Towers, LMA and Oden. If you think how great Dirk has become since 2006 it really gives me hope for LMA to become a superstar, he's definitely got the ability to become one.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Twin Towers, LMA and Oden. If you think how great Dirk has become since 2006 it really gives me hope for LMA to become a superstar, he's definitely got the ability to become one.

This is a good point. I'm not sure LA will ever have the ball handling skills as Dirk, so maybe not a superstar, but certainly a star in this league

 

[Nikolokolus]

I guess if the lesson is that everybody but LMA should be expendable, then so be it.

 

[RR7]

Dallas has gone through three coaches during Nate's tenure. We've overturned the GM position, they've overturned the coaching position, and both of us have flipped our rosters. So because he's consistent in one area, he's the more consistent and patient? lol

 

[maxiep]

I'm surprised that Carlisle isn't getting more credit. IMO, he did an incredible job managing the games and getting the Charmin-soft Mavs to commit to playing defense.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm still bitter we chose Mo Cheeks over Carlisle when Rick would have LOVED to come here with Sheed. fuckers. Fucking Paul Allen and his slow decision making ass.

 

[illmatic99]

Who paid for the playoff rally and Oden draft rally few years back?

 

[julius]

Paul can learn to draft a HEALTHY once in a generation player.

 

[PapaG]

Dallas has gone through three coaches during Nate's tenure. We've overturned the GM position, they've overturned the coaching position, and both of us have flipped our rosters. So because he's consistent in one area, he's the more consistent and patient? lol

Yes, he is, IMO. He let his front office people do the work, and found a coach that was able to make the best use of those parts. I'd much rather have front office stability as opposed to coaching stability.

 

[SnakeOiler]

Nelson has been there a long time, thus in some areas. As for not trading Dirk, nor should Portland trade Aldridge at this point. LA made huge steps last season, and should be urged to continue to make steps as LaMonster. Build the team around him, which means much more up tempo, and go. Our roster right now is not good, and sitting on it will only lengthen the time between pretending and contending. Portland and KP made huge mistakes rebuilding this roster. They found two great players in the 06' draft that were about as different as they could be on the court. Then added pieces that benefitted one or the other. With Roy's knee issues, Portland needs to hone in on LA and build the entire team, including their coach, around him. If they add something better than him great, but that player should fit in with him.

I am all for patience, but when you have a broken model, patience isn't what you need.

The uptempo team lost the championship. The broken model is yours. It is unproven, without any basis in fact. You don't like the coach or the team as is, fine. You have no solution and only point out the negative. Uptempo isn't going to win a title. A different coach isn't going to win one either. Quit bitching and offer a solution.

 

[RR7]

Yes, he is, IMO. He let his front office people do the work, and found a coach that was able to make the best use of those parts. I'd much rather have front office stability as opposed to coaching stability.

Of course you would, because it's what we don't have. If the roles were reversed, I imagine you'd be saying Cuban's willingness to stick by a coach was what we need.

 

[PapaG]

Of course you would, because it's what we don't have. If the roles were reversed, I imagine you'd be saying Cuban's willingness to stick by a coach was what we need.

If the roles were reversed, then I'd be celebrating a championship as a Blazer fan. I find Dallas' front office stability to be a big part of their championship. If you read my posts about Paul Allen, it's the lack of vision from a basketball mind that troubles me the most.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Many fans and national media people criticized Cuban for building a good regular season team but not a good playoff team.

I guess the lesson should be to not panic after a couple of first round losses. I'm sure if fans had their way, Dallas would have had a new coach and probably traded some core players after last year's playoff.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The uptempo team lost the championship. The broken model is yours. It is unproven, without any basis in fact. You don't like the coach or the team as is, fine. You have no solution and only point out the negative. Uptempo isn't going to win a title. A different coach isn't going to win one either. Quit bitching and offer a solution.

More uptempo, not GS or NY uptempo. I'm not bitching either, just pointing out what I think the problem is. My solution is simple, ballance out the roster by deciding what style this team is going to play onboth offense and defense. Nate screams push and run throughout the whole game, but we finish last in pace and fastbreak points every year. If they want to push then get rid of Brandon and do it. If they want to be a more controlled offense that finishes towards the bottom in pace then get rid of Aldridge. The sets we have for the players we have don't equal a lot of success in the playoffs.

As for a different coach, a different coach might not win, but I do know Nate has been an NBA head coach for 11 seasons now and been out of the first round once.

 

[PapaG]

More uptempo, not GS or NY uptempo. I'm not bitching either, just pointing out what I think the problem is. My solution is simple, ballance out the roster by deciding what style this team is going to play onboth offense and defense. Nate screams push and run throughout the whole game, but we finish last in pace and fastbreak points every year. If they want to push then get rid of Brandon and do it. If they want to be a more controlled offense that finishes towards the bottom in pace then get rid of Aldridge. The sets we have for the players we have don't equal a lot of success in the playoffs.

As for a different coach, a different coach might not win, but I do know Nate has been an NBA head coach for 11 seasons now and been out of the first round once.

That's great and all, but Dallas played at a 88.9 Pace through the playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor/seasontype/3

Portland was at 90.5 for the regular season, and Dallas was at 93.5.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

I guess I don't understand your complaint. Dallas played at a slower pace winning a title than NateBall did in the regular season.

 

[Minstrel]

I wonder if talent, not pace, wins titles. We should explore that theory more.

 

[PapaG]

I wonder if talent, not pace, wins titles. We should explore that theory more.

#DuhWeining!!

 

[KingSpeed]

The lesson to learn here isn't "let's build our team like the Mavs did!" The lesson is that there is more than one way to win a championship. Last year at this time, no one thought Dallas would win the title and no one was trying to copy their blueprint. So let's not copy the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, or Mavs. It will get us nowhere. Look at the Heat! They tried to copy the Celtics. Didn't work. We have lots of talent. Let's go win a title our way.

 

[KingSpeed]

The uptempo team lost the championship. The broken model is yours. It is unproven, without any basis in fact. You don't like the coach or the team as is, fine. You have no solution and only point out the negative. Uptempo isn't going to win a title. A different coach isn't going to win one either. Quit bitching and offer a solution.

I think this is bullshit. The uptempo 2005 Phoenix Suns probably would've won the title if they didn't get hurt. The Lakers did it in the 80s. One day, an uptempo team will win a championship again and then everyone will be trying to copy them. Mark my words.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm surprised that Carlisle isn't getting more credit. IMO, he did an incredible job managing the games and getting the Charmin-soft Mavs to commit to playing defense.

The soft Mavs weren't taught defense. They were replaced. Marion, Chandler, Stevenson, and Haywood were recent additions that improved their defense.

 

[KingSpeed]

Let's not jump into the usual nuttiness around here and start imparting some superior wisdom to Cuban and the Mavs' management. Nobody around the NBA was impressed enough with their roster to have them as a favorite to win a title this year. They were fortunate in that Dirk decided to re-sign with the team last summer rather than pulling a LeBron and looking for another team with more superstars. They were fortunate that the Lakers imploded and the Thunder couldn't get past their youthful jitters. They were fortunate that they didn't have any serious injuries other than Butler and that they were able to cover for that loss by getting better than expected play out of Peja when he signed on to help fill the void. They were fortunate that role players meshed and were able to contribute. They were fortunate that they got hot at the right time. And they were fortunate that the pressure of heightened media expectations messed with the Heat's mojo. In short...it was their year. Does anybody really think it will be again next season?

The Mavs MADE the Lakers implode and Butler was a VERY serious injury. How is it fortunate that they ONLY lost their second leading scorer?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I wonder if talent, not pace, wins titles. We should explore that theory more.

I completely disagree, as evidenced by the fact that it wasn't Mario Chalmers or Udonis Haslem that played poorly and cost their team the series, but the "Most Talented Player in the Game" (TM). Unless you want to say that JJ Barea and Jason Terry are more talented than Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade?

Perhaps a better conclusion could be "Which coach put his talented team in a position to utilize their talents best to win the series?" I'd submit that isolating Dirk on the mid-post, setting up Terry and Kidd for open 3's, tossing in a zone defense at opportune times, and sitting Peja (and Spoelstra's inability to get Wade and James to react in a positive way) were more important in the series than the collective talents of the Mavs.

 

[jlprk]

Yes, he is, IMO. He let his front office people do the work, and found a coach that was able to make the best use of those parts. I'd much rather have front office stability as opposed to coaching stability.

Cuban is at every game and in the locker room, micromanaging. He got into a personal vendetta with Don Nelson and Nelson sued him. You seem to want a dignified, absent coach. If so, Allen has nothing to learn from Cuban.

Just like Canzano your hero, you always make mysterious remarks about Allen out of the side of your mouth and no one can interpret exactly what your problem is.