OT: Mark Cuban proposes deeper 3 point line

[BlazerCaravan]

It would add a true home court advantage.

Home Judge Jury And Executioner!

 

[Denny Crane]

Found it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

3pt shooting percentage has been hovering around 35% for years. No reason to move the line.

More like 36% in most years and they're taking and making considerably more.

12.7 attempts/game in 1997-98 vs 23.8 this year.

In 20 years, more than half the shots in a game will be 3pt attempts.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

More like 36% in most years and they're taking and making considerably more.

12.7 attempts/game in 1997-98 vs 23.8 this year.

In 20 years, more than half the shots in a game will be 3pt attempts.

Half the shots should be threes, because the make percentage adjusted for the difference in points makes the three point shot about as valuable as a good post up shot. Teams are finally catching up to the statistics.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Just get rid of the 3pt shot on the sides of the court. Just round it off to one end of the floor to the next. Fans won't like it at first but they will get over it just like any other change.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Just get rid of the 3pt shot on the sides of the court. Just round it off to one end of the floor to the next. Fans won't like it at first but they will get over it just like any other change.

Now this is a truly interesting idea. I don't think I would do it (it doesn't open up the floor much alone) but it is something to think about.

 

[PDXFonz]

We are far enough into the future that we should have led lit courts with hot spots that randomly light up (determined by game officials in Secaucus NJ). Hot spots grant bonus points determined by where they are on the floor. If a player hits from 3 hot spots in a row the ball is then drenched in butane and lit on fire. The player who hit the shots is awarded a pair of oven mitts.

 

[illmatic99]

If the premise for this is to take away GS's advantage from the current 3pt line, this change would have the exact opposite effect

 

[Draco]

Tell me more sensei

The score is tied with 10 seconds left; what would you prefer;
1 Blazers opponent has the ball out of bounds or
2 Blazers have a chance to grab an offensive rebound that is bouncing off the rim?

One situation has a clearly higher expected value and win probability than the other.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

The score is tied with 10 seconds left; what would you prefer;
1 Blazers opponent has the ball out of bounds or
2 Blazers have a chance to grab an offensive rebound that is bouncing off the rim?

One situation has a clearly higher expected value and win probability than the other.

But you're forgetting that if they hit the shot (say for three) the score is no longer tied. Yes if they failed to score by missing then of course an offensive rebound is preferable. But if that situation keeps happening as time runs out you don't win the game. Eventually you have to make a shot. That's where valuing the makes by difficulty comes in.

I don't know what concept you're trying to explain if it involves winning a game by not scoring.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If the premise for this is to take away GS's advantage from the current 3pt line, this change would have the exact opposite effect

Exactly.

 

[BBert]

Make the half court line a 4pt line.

Meyers and Dame can make that shot. So can Curry. I think teams would use it. It could certainly get a team back in a game in a hurry.

 

[BBert]

If the premise for this is to take away GS's advantage from the current 3pt line, this change would have the exact opposite effect

That's what I thought. Why does Cuban want to give Curry an even bigger advantage?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[BlazerCaravan]

And if Charles Barkley played for all 30 teams we wouldn't have the five second post up rule. Or if Mikan played for all the teams, no goaltending rule...

 

[GoBlazersGo]

This economy has gotten outta whack, with billionaires like Mike Cuban running around buying everything, getting richer, consolidating wealth, etc...





... so, I propose Mark Cuban gives me a bunch of fucking money, for no particular reason!

Sounds fair to me!

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Just make a 4 point line, start it at the inbound line and go from there.

 

[Draco]

But you're forgetting that if they hit the shot (say for three) the score is no longer tied. Yes if they failed to score by missing then of course an offensive rebound is preferable. But if that situation keeps happening as time runs out you don't win the game. Eventually you have to make a shot. That's where valuing the makes by difficulty comes in.

I don't know what concept you're trying to explain if it involves winning a game by not scoring.

An offensive rebound opportunity has value.

Making the first free throw and missing the second is worth more to the offensive team than missing the first and making the second. Both scenarios result in 1 point.

Similar situation over the long run for eFG%. A 3 point shooter hitting 2/6 shots is worth more than a 2 point shooter hitting 3/6. Both have an eFG% of 50%; but the first has additional offensive rebounding opportunities.

 

[Draco]

Heard an interesting proposal on Bill Simmons podcast; let the home team draw the 3 point line. So a team that wants to play inside as the Grizzlies could have it real far away. Teams that want to bomb threes all day could have it close. Would make home court advantage more important in the playoffs and thus regular season seeding more important as well.

 

[Sinobas]

I think the 3pt game actually balances out the game in a good way. Shots near the rim are still the most efficient, and a dominant post man is tough to stop, but without a 3pt shot lets a team do damage from outside.

With the current rules, without a 3pt line, teams would just pack the paint. Now you have to defend the 3pt line, and that leaves the mid range open.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think the 3pt game actually balances out the game in a good way. Shots near the rim are still the most efficient, and a dominant post man is tough to stop, but without a 3pt shot lets a team do damage from outside.

With the current rules, without a 3pt line, teams would just pack the paint. Now you have to defend the 3pt line, and that leaves the mid range open.

Exactly. There was a great 99% Invisible podcast episode about how lucky basketball was when they set the height of the rim at ten feet and the three point line at 23ish, because both were arbitrary decisions. Both decisions balance the game well.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

An offensive rebound opportunity has value.

Making the first free throw and missing the second is worth more to the offensive team than missing the first and making the second. Both scenarios result in 1 point.

Similar situation over the long run for eFG%. A 3 point shooter hitting 2/6 shots is worth more than a 2 point shooter hitting 3/6. Both have an eFG% of 50%; but the first has additional offensive rebounding opportunities.

To expound, if a team has an eFG% of 50% and an ORB% of 30%, then you can calculate the expected points per 100 possessions each of 2pt shots and 3pt shots:
3pt shots only: 100 (33.3% of 100, or 33.3 made) + 20 (33.3% of 30% of 66.6, or 20 ORBs & 6.7 made) + 4 (33.3% of 30% of 13.3, or 4 ORBs and 1.3 made) = total of 124 points (on average) from 100 possessions and 24 ORB's (actually goes to 125 if you carry it out a couple more calculations).
2pt shots only: 100 (50% of 100, or 50 made) + 15 (50% of 30% of 50, or 15 ORBs & 7.5 made) + 2.5 (50% of 30% of 7.5, or 2.5 ORB's and 1.25 made) = total of 117.5 points (on average) from 100 possessions and 17.5 ORB's.

Factoring in ORB's makes a significant difference between 2's and 3's, depending on the ORB%. 0% ORB, and there's no difference; at 30%, it's a 6.22% increase. As the ORB% goes up, the impact of 3's over 2's increases.

 

[Sinobas]

Why is the 3pt shot a bad thing all of a sudden? I don't get it. It's still the 3rd most efficient shot behind Free throws and shots at the rim.

 

[Draco]

Why is the 3pt shot a bad thing all of a sudden? I don't get it. It's still the 3rd most efficient shot behind Free throws and shots at the rim.

Its a great shot. Nobody is discounting the value it has to winning. Many are concerned at how its ever increased use has changed the game.

The midrange game and big men have been rendered insignificant, often useless. Anthony Davis is one of the most gifted physical prospects we've seen. But he's valuable shooting threes. Do we really want a game where its valuable to have Anthony Davis on a basketball court shooting threes? I want to see him inside displaying his skills. I can't image if Hakeem and Ewing had to be moved from the paint to shooting threes to be most effective.

If you put Drexler in today's game with these rules he may not be a hall of famer because he had a mediocre 3 point shot. Even Michael Jordan wouldn't be as dominant because he did all his damage driving to the hole, posting up and in the midrange. Those areas aren't as effective anymore. The rules, analystics, and increased shooting skill of all players has made it most effective to launch record three's. To many that has made the game of basketball less interesting.

It's not a Steph Curry thing either; he would be dominant in any era. He is shooting over 60% behind 28feet! Move the line back might even help him the most. The issue is all the stretch PF's in the game, the absence of traditional Buck Williams or Maurice Lucas style players in basketball, the realization that Ben Simmons who is missing a 3 point shot is a mediocre wing even if he is elite at all other aspects of the game.

 

[BBert]

How about just getting rid of the three point shot altogether? Blasphemy, I know, but there are so many good outside shooters the court would still be opened up, which I think was at least part of the original idea behind the three point shot.

 

[Sinobas]

I think all this talk about the 3pt shot taking over the game and making big men irrelevant is bull. If big men seem to be irrelevant, it's simply because their is a shortage of talented ones.

Of the 50 career leaders in True Shooting percentage, how many of them are current "3 point ballers". If they are eclipsing the old timers, there should be quite a few, but actually, there are only 4. Curry is #7 on that list, and he deserves it because he's a hell of a shooter, but only 1 player above him is a guard, Dave Twardzik.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hearing more talk about this notion in the wake of GSW's comeback series win. I wonder--rather than moving the 3 point line (or in concert with moving it back incrementally), what if they just eliminated the shorter corner 3? Keep the arc a consistent distance from the hoop all the way to the sideline. I wonder what kind of impact that would have on scoring, spacing, and shot selection.

 

[Strenuus]

Hearing more talk about this notion in the wake of GSW's comeback series win. I wonder--rather than moving the 3 point line (or in concert with moving it back incrementally), what if they just eliminated the shorter corner 3? Keep the arc a consistent distance from the hoop all the way to the sideline. I wonder what kind of impact that would have on scoring, spacing, and shot selection.

Stotts would be out of a job.

 

[isonoob]

What if we got rid of the basketball and replaced it with an onion

 

[Sedatedfork]

Hearing more talk about this notion in the wake of GSW's comeback series win. I wonder--rather than moving the 3 point line (or in concert with moving it back incrementally), what if they just eliminated the shorter corner 3? Keep the arc a consistent distance from the hoop all the way to the sideline. I wonder what kind of impact that would have on scoring, spacing, and shot selection.

Wouldn't they have to lengthen the base line then?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hearing more talk about this notion in the wake of GSW's comeback series win. I wonder--rather than moving the 3 point line (or in concert with moving it back incrementally), what if they just eliminated the shorter corner 3? Keep the arc a consistent distance from the hoop all the way to the sideline. I wonder what kind of impact that would have on scoring, spacing, and shot selection.

I've liked this idea for a long time.