Hornets @ Blazers 1/25/2010 Game Thread

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Tince said:
Batum was only allowed to play 5-7 minutes a half, so it would be tough to play him the entire 4th quarter. Sorry for letting facts get the in the way of a good Nash bashing.

It's Nate's fault NOH has a superstar to go to down the stretch, and we don't...
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It's someone's fault that his PFs are taking 20-foot contested jumpers late in the clock. If not his, who? Or his PG is backing down in the paint against a sagged-in defense and not passing to shooters. Who called that play?

It's almost funny (yet more sad) how excuses are brought up with L's.
 
terrible terrible loss


wiz, hornets, celts... we should have 30 wins... instead we are tied with the grizz for losses
 
BrianFromWA said:
It's someone's fault that his PFs are taking 20-foot contested jumpers late in the clock. If not his, who? Or his PG is backing down in the paint against a sagged-in defense and not passing to shooters. Who called that play?

It's almost funny (yet more sad) how excuses are brought up with L's.
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Oh, I am sorry, I forgot we cannot call out Nate here. Who was it that led the Blazers back into the game once they were 16 down? The second unit you say? Correct! Blake is one Blazer who should not have come back in the 4th either Rudy stays in or Bayless comes in. I would have preferred Miller/Bayless/Rudy especially if the plan was to give Bayless the last shot. If he got to play, he would have been much more in rythum, but that was not the case. Sorry for calling out the coach when it is deserved! I will remember not to next time!
 
BrianFromWA said:
It's someone's fault that his PFs are taking 20-foot contested jumpers late in the clock. If not his, who? Or his PG is backing down in the paint against a sagged-in defense and not passing to shooters. Who called that play?
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In both cases I would assume the PG is to blame.
 
BrianFromWA said:
It's someone's fault that his PFs are taking 20-foot contested jumpers late in the clock. If not his, who? Or his PG is backing down in the paint against a sagged-in defense and not passing to shooters. Who called that play?

It's almost funny (yet more sad) how excuses are brought up with L's.
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What play would you have drawn up?

Miller in the post with Blake in the weakside corner seemed as high of a percentage play as we had considering the roster. The shot Miller took late in the game was one he makes all the time and rimmed in and out.

Looking forward to your play...
 
if they think they can extend bosh or amare... make that trade yesterday.

la is not the answer
 
EGame said:
Oh, I am sorry, I forgot we cannot call out Nate here. Who was it that led the Blazers back into the game once they were 16 down? The second unit you say? Correct! Blake is one Blazer who should not have come back in the 4th either Rudy stays in or Bayless comes in. I would have preferred Miller/Bayless/Rudy especially if the plan was to give Bayless the last shot. If he got to play, he would have been much more in rythum, but that was not the case. Sorry for calling out the coach when it is deserved! I will remember not to next time!
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I'm pretty sure that in the middle of the 4th quarter, Nate has no idea it is going to come down to a last shot by the Blazers to win or that he would use Bayless in that situation.

I'm also pretty sure you are in fact allowed to critize Nate if you wish. I didn't see anything in the rules against it and even though a mod said you couldn't do it, I think he was joking.

You are also allowed to use as many exclamation marks as you want to . . . but you already know that. :D
 
it's_GO_time said:
I'm pretty sure that in the middle of the 4th quarter, Nate has no idea it is going to come down to a last shot by the Blazers to win or that he would use Bayless in that situation.

I'm also pretty sure you are in fact allowed to critize Nate if you wish. I didn't see anything in the rules against it and even though a mod said you couldn't do it, I think he was joking.
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Well, yes, but it came to that situation. I don't mind Miller and Webster being in, but Blake had no business coming in. The way Bayless and Rudy were playing they should have stayed in (plus Bayless was playing excellent D on Paul as well which that alone should have let him stayed in). I don't know, I just feel awful for the Blazers and Bayless because that looked good the second his left his hand, just missed it. Bayless shouldn't have been put in that situation IMO because of him being on the bench most of the 4th. Just adds on his career as more of a choker than not which is ashame.
 
I'm looking forward to the postgame interviews and hearing the coach explain why it was a good idea to try to win the game by bringing in a cold player off the bench and hand him the ball with three seconds left to jack up a jumper.

Maybe its because he can't get his sixty million dollar power forward to shoot the ball.
 
With Houston and SA losing at home tonight, we had a chance to put more distance between us n them in the standings. These are the types of losses that come back to haunt you at the end of the season. Just terrible execution the last 4 minutes. Pathetic. Just pray that we can pull off a miracle and beat the Jazz, who are playin some pretty damn good ball as of late.
 
ucatchtrout said:
I'm looking forward to the postgame interviews and hearing the coach explain why it was a good idea to try to win the game by bringing in a cold player off the bench and hand him the ball with three seconds left to jack up a jumper.

Maybe its because he can't get his sixty million dollar power forward to shoot the ball.
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Because I'm sure he wanted a player that could easily create his own shot, and Bayless is probably the best available option, plus he was having a good game.

Bayless got a great look and the ball was on line to go in...it just went a tad long. It happens, on to the next game.
 
RoyToy said:
Because I'm sure he wanted a player that could easily create his own shot, and Bayless is probably the best available option, plus he was having a good game.

Bayless got a great look and the ball was on line to go in...it just went a tad long. It happens, on to the next game.
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Bingo...

Had we gone to Miller or Blake, the question would be why didn't we go to someone who could create their own shot, like Bayless. In 3.9 seconds, you only have so many options, especially with the speed limitations of our guards.
 
EGame said:
Well, yes, but it came to that situation. I don't mind Miller and Webster being in, but Blake had no business coming in. The way Bayless and Rudy were playing they should have stayed in (plus Bayless was playing excellent D on Paul as well which that alone should have let him stayed in). I don't know, I just feel awful for the Blazers and Bayless because that looked good the second his left his hand, just missed it. Bayless shouldn't have been put in that situation IMO because of him being on the bench most of the 4th. Just adds on his career as more of a choker than not which is ashame.
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I don't think many hold this against Bayless. I get where Nate was coming from. Only 4 seconds left and at this stage only Miller and Bayless have shown the ability to create their own shot or draw a foul. With so little time and refs reluctant to call bail out fouls at the end of the game, Bayless seem like the right choice. Either get to the rim or pull up for the jumper.

I see it as a learning experience for Bayless . . . can't really fault him for the loss.

I saw your willing to cut Bayless a break for missing the shot, but not willing to cut Nate a break for having to deal with a thin and very unbalanced roster?
 
Definitely wasn't Bayless' fault. I like that he wasn't afraid to take the shot, and it was a good look that he probably makes most of the time. Just overall poor execution down the stretch, and I strongly disagree with taking Rudy out of the game for those last few minutes, he was the main reason we built the 9 point lead with 2 minutes left.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I don't think many hold this against Bayless. I get where Nate was coming from. Only 4 seconds left and at this stage only Miller and Bayless have shown the ability to create their own shot or draw a foul. With so little time and refs reluctant to call bail out fouls at the end of the game, Bayless seem like the right choice. Either get to the rim or pull up for the jumper.

I see it as a learning experience for Bayless . . . can't really fault him for the loss.

I saw your willing to cut Bayless a break for missing the shot, but not willing to cut Nate a break for having to deal with a thin and very unbalanced roster?
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Well I would have if he let one of Rudy/Bayless stay in the 4th, but instead, he put Blake in when he really hadn't done anything the whole game. That was very frustrating to see and not needed. Rudy was awesome at rebounding and made some big shots and Bayless, with his ability to drive and put pressure on the Hornets defense as well as pick up fouls is better than what Blake brought tonight. I cannot hold what he has to play with against him, but I can hold him bringing in Blake when he should have not done at all.
 
I don't think anyone can question Bayless' heart. But did anyone noticed that his most pronounced limp came after he missed the shot?

I think it is just human nature as he was probably hurting before he even played . . . but just found it interesting (and worrysome) . . . he is not 100% right now.
 
Tince said:
What play would you have drawn up?

Miller in the post with Blake in the weakside corner seemed as high of a percentage play as we had considering the roster. The shot Miller took late in the game was one he makes all the time and rimmed in and out.

Looking forward to your play...
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Here you go. And this one only works in college and rec-league games (that I know of), so sorry about that.

How about having one of your better distance shooters shooting the contested 20-footers with your PF and C low for the rebound? I mean, I know that's crazy-talk. How about your PF on the baseline passing off to your 4-for-6-shooting-three-point-specialist instead of taking a jumper from behind the basket?

Wait, you want actual plays? Well, if the side p&r to LMA that broke down into an isolation for Miller didn't work with 2:14 left...and the side P&R to Howard resulted in a busted-play FT attempt...that probably wouldn't drive me straight towards the side-isolation-into-a-double-team-caused-when-your-big-brought-his-man-and-the-help-side-defender-into-the-paint play, but I'm not being paid 6M this year. Though if that didn't work, and I hadn't gotten a rebound of any type in 4 minutes, maybe I wouldn't go (out of a timeout with 17 seconds on the shot clock and 32 on the game) with the side-isolation-into-a-double-team-again-b/c your big man brought his man to you, (but didn't get inside for the rebound position against the double-team) so that the contested-fadeaway into a double-team didn't result in a 3-to-1 rebounding advantage for them inside.

Or, when drawing up the last play for your young, backup PG...perhaps telling him that taking it against a double-team isn't going to be the best plan, so if the ball-side defender slides to you, your three-point specialist is open in the corner with plenty of time (2.4 when he pulled up) to catch and shoot a wide open 3?

I mean, what the heck do I know? Any more plays you want drawn up? How about a drive-and-kick? How about a high-low run with Juwan and Howard with Webs and Rudy/Blake in the corners? Why are you wasting 2 great shooters and 2 bigs having your bigs shoot 20-footers and your smalls post up against double-teams? Are you going to argue that those were good plays, especially repeated against failure?

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BrianFromWA said:
Here you go. And this one only works in college and rec-league games (that I know of), so sorry about that.

How about having one of your better distance shooters shooting the contested 20-footers with your PF and C low for the rebound? I mean, I know that's crazy-talk. How about your PF on the baseline passing off to your 4-for-6-shooting-three-point-specialist instead of taking a jumper from behind the basket?

Wait, you want actual plays? Well, if the side p&r to LMA that broke down into an isolation for Miller didn't work with 2:14 left...and the side P&R to Howard resulted in a busted-play FT attempt...that probably wouldn't drive me straight towards the side-isolation-into-a-double-team-caused-when-your-big-brought-his-man-and-the-help-side-defender-into-the-paint play, but I'm not being paid 6M this year. Though if that didn't work, and I hadn't gotten a rebound of any type in 4 minutes, maybe I wouldn't go (out of a timeout with 17 seconds on the shot clock and 32 on the game) with the side-isolation-into-a-double-team-again-b/c your big man brought his man to you, (but didn't get inside for the rebound position against the double-team) so that the contested-fadeaway into a double-team didn't result in a 3-to-1 rebounding advantage for them inside.

Or, when drawing up the last play for your young, backup PG...perhaps telling him that taking it against a double-team isn't going to be the best plan, so if the ball-side defender slides to you, your three-point specialist is open in the corner with plenty of time (2.4 when he pulled up) to catch and shoot a wide open 3?

I mean, what the heck do I know? Any more plays you want drawn up? How about a drive-and-kick? How about a high-low run with Juwan and Howard with Webs and Rudy/Blake in the corners? Why are you wasting 2 great shooters and 2 bigs having your bigs shoot 20-footers and your smalls post up against double-teams? Are you going to argue that those were good plays, especially repeated against failure?
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Lets try this again because I obviously wasn't clear....

What play (singular) would you have drawn up with 30 seconds to go?

I understand you didn't like the play that was called. I understand that you didn't like the clean 17ft jumper Bayless got in under 4 seconds, I get all that. All I want to know is what would have been your bread and butter play with that unit on the last full possession.
 
Clean 17-footer? Against a double team?

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Here's a better look at when he goes up.

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Tince said:
Where is the picture of him shooting the ball? I don't recall a hand even being in his face.

Still looking forward to your play...
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Just watched it again. He got seperation from Collison, but the help defender did a nice job of coming over and contesting the shot more than I thought, not as clean as I remembered it. Still a shot I'm comfortable with considering the time and score.
 
Tince said:
Lets try this again because I obviously wasn't clear....

What play (singular) would you have drawn up with 30 seconds to go?

I understand you didn't like the play that was called. I understand that you didn't like the clean 17ft jumper Bayless got in under 4 seconds, I get all that. All I want to know is what would have been your bread and butter play with that unit on the last full possession.
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Come on, now. What do you want me to say? That I'd have a high-low double-pick worked on in practice so that I'd have more that the PG-ICE play as my "bread-and-butter"? Maybe. Or perhaps the drive-and-kick? Maybe. I don't know what the team runs in practice. I do know that what they do is repeated over and over in the last 3-4 minutes of the game. Whether it's Roy, Miller or Bayless running it, it's the same play.

But you want a play? Rudy and Webster running off of picks away from the ball, and either getting the ball on the move for an open mid-range jumper, or a back-cut rolling to the hoop. There. Miller's ICE play wasn't working, the bigs needed to be near the paint for rebounding, and your two hottest shooters are in the game. Seems to make at least a bit of sense.
 
Tince said:
Just watched it again. He got seperation from Collison, but the help defender did a nice job of coming over and contesting the shot more than I thought, not as clean as I remembered it. Still a shot I'm comfortable with considering the time and score.
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More than Webster wide-open for 3? I'm not saying it's the worst play we ran in the last 5 minutes, but Bayless has to have it in his mind that he's able to a) get to the rim or the line against a single defender, or b) if the help defender comes from the ball-side he has a shooter in the corner. This isn't rocket science stuff...it's practiced all the time.
 
I can reluctantly accept that Bayless shot. But I'm having trouble understanding the rationale behind Miller taking a fadeaway jumper, foul line extended, with so much time on the clock on the possession prior.
 
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