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I locked the other thread because of posts from @dviss1 and @Hoopguru. Don't have time to clean them up and wanted to end the brain damage. It had nothing to do with @MarAzul or if people agreed with each other.

Why lock my thread on private funding for the wall just because AGAIN you don't want to deal with a certain frequent rule breaker?

This thread is not related in the least, in fact it's the opposite, so should I start another thread on private funding for the wall, or am I to be censored and forbidden to discuss it because of someone else's failure to follow posting etiquette? :dunno:
 
And now the republican senate will turn it down. If they do they will look like idiots.
They certainly would lose Fed employee and all their relatives votes, and the vital union voting block. The senate needs a visit by the Teamsters.
 
No tax refunds this year as long as the shutdown continues. The IRS is one of the parts of the government that has shutdown. Only 12% of IRS workers are on the job, all without pay. None of them are doing returns. Hope you republicans are happy.

So does the filing deadline get extended or nullified?
Government can shut down but we still better pay them money for not working and dont be late with the payment... Or else!!
 
I don't know. Their position changes from time to time or year to year.

So I just go with what the Boarder patrol says we need to lock it down. That seems like the right thing to do. I could envision getting by with
an M60 about every 200 yards on normal day. Might need some back up when 8000 rush area though. More ammo carriers at least.
Man, just think of whine that would raise. Converting 8000 rushers into a visual deterrent would give Nancy righteous indignation.

But perhaps a wall would look moral in comparison though.
according to gen. john kelly, former head of homeland security, this statement is incorrect or at the very least not representative of their position in his experience while the chief of their administrative agency:

When Kelly led Homeland Security in early 2017, one of his first steps was to seek advice from those who “actually secure the border,” Customs and Border Protection agents whom Kelly calls “salt-of-the-earth, Joe-Six-Pack folks.”

“They said, ‘Well we need a physical barrier in certain places, we need technology across the board, and we need more people,’ ” he said.
this is a direct quote from his very recent interview with the la times.

i think it is disingenuous to say that , because they are holding his "wall" hostage, that they don't agree to any border securing barriers. he will eventually get funding for his section of border "wall" that he will name after himself as in "the trump towers", to massage his ego, but the all or nothing kill the hostage negotiating position isn't going to fly.
if he could get mexico to build it, do it. short of that, which was how we were sold on how it would be built, he needs the house of represetatives to approve funding. the constitution states they are 1/2 of the legislative branch and they control the purse strings.

for two years he couldn't say yes to deals that would have given him the funding he now demands. he and the republican party no longer control the entire legislative branch.

the government needs to be reopened on the CR, and his wall, and immigration negotiated as an aside with the funding for the dept. of homeland security.
 
I locked the other thread because of posts from @dviss1 and @Hoopguru. Don't have time to clean them up and wanted to end the brain damage. It had nothing to do with @MarAzul or if people agreed with each other.
Sly and forum members, I apologize for my part in that contentious discussion. I have great respect for the forum and enjoy being a part of it, I committed the cardinal sin in allowing my emotions get the best of me when I really should have turned the other cheek.
 
That is 100% on the lowlife excuses for human beings that deliberately left their rotting garbage in a park they knew had it's funds cut off by Trump.

Much of it appears to be done by employees to exaggerate the issue.
Yeah, how dare them be upset that the president has taken away their paychecks.
 
Why lock my thread on private funding for the wall just because AGAIN you don't want to deal with a certain frequent rule breaker?

This thread is not related in the least, in fact it's the opposite, so should I start another thread on private funding for the wall, or am I to be censored and forbidden to discuss it because of someone else's failure to follow posting etiquette? :dunno:

I was out to dinner with Mrs PokerDog when I checked in on the forum. Saw the BS so it was best to shut it down. Then I got home and watched something called a Blazer game. You might have heard about them. It's kinda what this forum is about.

It's weird how you immediately try to make yourself out to be a victim.

Posts are deleted. "Your" thread is open again.
 
I was out to dinner with Mrs PokerDog when I checked in on the forum. Saw the BS so it was best to shut it down. Then I got home and watched something called a Blazer game. You might have heard about them. It's kinda what this forum is about.

It's weird how you immediately try to make yourself out to be a victim.

Posts are deleted. "Your" thread is open again.
make every poster of a new thread that threads mod, but with only the powers to effect change in that designated thread.
they can then live in their own echo chamber
they can then experience first hand the time consuming nuisance of moderating a dialog between forum members of differing opinions and temper tantrums which have no real world consequences.
they can then see just how difficult it is to herd cats.
 
That is 100% on the lowlife excuses for human beings that deliberately left their rotting garbage in a park they knew had it's funds cut off by the Dems.

Much of it appears to be done by employees to exaggerate the issue.
54 billion in foreign aid....
 
make every poster of a new thread that threads mod, but with only the powers to effect change in that designated thread.
they can then live in their own echo chamber
they can then experience first hand the time consuming nuisance of moderating a dialog between forum members of differing opinions and temper tantrums which have no real world consequences.
they can then see just how difficult it is to herd cats.
My posts are gone and these are still there. You know, from the guy who started the whole thing. I suppose my quoting his insults means my legit posts deserve to be deleted.
Just a stupid post. Really.

You don't have a clue.

Most of those people are seeking asylum.

I don't see you saying SHIT about your president hiring them though....

Fuck this shit!

When is Mexico gonna pay??
 
By the way, there's nothing technically wrong with the last one. It was tame compared to some. This video stopped the whole thing anyway. This was the most biased left wing attempt to downplay what the dems used to say. I could have just posted the raw video.
 
My posts are gone and these are still there. You know, from the guy who started the whole thing. I suppose my quoting his insults means my legit posts deserve to be deleted.

Missed a page. Apologies. Those have been deleted.
 
My posts are gone and these are still there. You know, from the guy who started the whole thing. I suppose my quoting his insults means my legit posts deserve to be deleted.
truth is i haven't read the particular thread nor posted in it that i recall. my comments were meant only in the most general way about the common problems of nearly any contentious subject matter here and the difficulty of keeping the threads moving on track and with a little courtesy for the opposing view. i understand that some posters have an agenda that will highjack the subject to switch/steer the discussion to what they want. some are completely incapable of standing someone else's point of view. IMHO there is no need for the fun police to show up any time they disagree, or for them to define my personal positions on purely subjective topics as being acceptable to others or not. many of the subjects can be best defined in the same manner justice potter stewart quoted in a case on free speech"i know it when i see it".
moderator bias likely occurs in trying to real time censor individual posts in heated discussions. i accept it for what it is. i also realize how crazy difficult the job is and how difficult it can be to define "fairness".

that is all i was saying.
 
truth is i haven't read the particular thread nor posted in it that i recall. my comments were meant only in the most general way about the common problems of nearly any contentious subject matter here and the difficulty of keeping the threads moving on track and with a little courtesy for the opposing view. i understand that some posters have an agenda that will highjack the subject to switch/steer the discussion to what they want. some are completely incapable of standing someone else's point of view. IMHO there is no need for the fun police to show up any time they disagree, or for them to define my personal positions on purely subjective topics as being acceptable to others or not. many of the subjects can be best defined in the same manner justice potter stewart quoted in a case on free speech"i know it when i see it".
moderator bias likely occurs in trying to real time censor individual posts in heated discussions. i accept it for what it is. i also realize how crazy difficult the job is and how difficult it can be to define "fairness".

that is all i was saying.
well said
 
truth is i haven't read the particular thread nor posted in it that i recall. my comments were meant only in the most general way about the common problems of nearly any contentious subject matter here and the difficulty of keeping the threads moving on track and with a little courtesy for the opposing view. i understand that some posters have an agenda that will highjack the subject to switch/steer the discussion to what they want. some are completely incapable of standing someone else's point of view. IMHO there is no need for the fun police to show up any time they disagree, or for them to define my personal positions on purely subjective topics as being acceptable to others or not. many of the subjects can be best defined in the same manner justice potter stewart quoted in a case on free speech"i know it when i see it".
moderator bias likely occurs in trying to real time censor individual posts in heated discussions. i accept it for what it is. i also realize how crazy difficult the job is and how difficult it can be to define "fairness".

that is all i was saying.
Absolutely true. That thread was active like a stock market tracker. I watched a video @dviss1 linked and was genuinely surprised to see that Trump said completely different stuff than I'd remembered. It was on CNN and wasn't just about Mexico. Dviss offered it as proof that Trump was racist. I linked a video in response showing Barbara Jordan saying many of the same things....crickets.

No response for at least a half hour before it got locked.

I would have posted another video of reasons why I don't want a wall spanning the entire border. Actually, I will go post it in that thread. The old racist white people in AZ embarrassed me a bit but evil people can want the right things for the wrong reasons.
 
Absolutely true. That thread was active like a stock market tracker. I watched a video @dviss1 linked and was genuinely surprised to see that Trump said completely different stuff than I'd remembered. It was on CNN and wasn't just about Mexico. Dviss offered it as proof that Trump was racist. I linked a video in response showing Barbara Jordan saying many of the same things....crickets.

No response for at least a half hour before it got locked.

I would have posted another video of reasons why I don't want a wall spanning the entire border. Actually, I will go post it in that thread. The old racist white people in AZ embarrassed me a bit but evil people can want the right things for the wrong reasons.
thanks a lot, now i have to find time to actually see what the fracas was all about before i foolishly commented, lol
 
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