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Ok, I get it. This guy is softer than Travis Outlaw defensive pressure, but what if you could get him for salary and picks. The Rockets are said to be looking for a SG in return, so in other words.....

Blake. Travis and Webster for T-Mac

He only has one year left on his contract, so Portland would shed 23 million off their cap next year if they chose to let him walk. Or, have a very nice expiring contract at the deadling that KP wouldn't use :ghoti:.
 
Ok, I get it. This guy is softer than Travis Outlaw defensive pressure, but what if you could get him for salary and picks. The Rockets are said to be looking for a SG in return, so in other words.....

Blake. Travis and Webster for T-Mac

He only has one year left on his contract, so Portland would shed 23 million off their cap next year if they chose to let him walk. Or, have a very nice expiring contract at the deadling that KP wouldn't use :ghoti:.

[yawn!]

Wake me up when a real trade that makes sense comes up.
 
I wouldn't do it. All that money so he can play 25 games? And I recall him saying something like he has lost his passion for the game.

Bad idea.
 
just say no to everyone's old dirty towels they're throwing in the laundry chute.

Nash, Tmac, Shaq.....um no thanks....
 
just say no to everyone's old dirty towels they're throwing in the laundry chute.

Nash, Tmac, Shaq.....um no thanks....

Nash is a good idea. So is Shaq. But Tracy is not worth it. I would rather have Travis.
 
McGrady? Are you serious? The guy is injured more than my 85 year old grandma.

I still have a lot of hope that Webster will be a stud this season and beyond and that we shouldnt trade him.
 
McGrady? Are you serious? The guy is injured more than my 85 year old grandma.

I still have a lot of hope that Webster will be a stud this season and beyond and that we shouldnt trade him.




Webster is inconsistant. He has inconsistant, and will continue to be inconsistant.
 
Tmac would be fine if he would wise up and let somebody else help him carry the load. If he came here, this is Brandon Roys team, and he would be second fiddle. I actually think it would work, just because the team is no dependant on him to be "the guy".

Plus if it doesn't work out, you have 23 million off the books. 23 million is a lot of dough, and a lot of dough in the "Right year".
 
I agree Hasoos...I mentioned this earlier in the year...If you can limit TMac's minutes during the regular season and he can accept being the 2nd or 3rd fiddle, you likely can prolong his career and when he is healthy and not counted on to carry a team by himself, he can be a force....

This would not be a bad deal at all IMO....
 
As they say, the devil is in the details.

You would essentially be giving up cap space this summer, in exchange for cap space next summer. The question is, what is that worth to the Blazers? Will the 2010 FA class really be any better?
 
As they say, the devil is in the details.

You would essentially be giving up cap space this summer, in exchange for cap space next summer. The question is, what is that worth to the Blazers? Will the 2010 FA class really be any better?

I hadn't thought of it like that. We'd have about $52.6M in committed salary to 10 players after next season + any first rounder we likely stow away in Europe this year and the first rounder we'll have headed into the the 2010 draft. That number could be less by about $2M if we did some tweaking. Maybe like $7M in spending money in 2010.
 
Webster is inconsistant. He has inconsistant, and will continue to be inconsistant.

Merlin, is that you? I had no idea you posted on these forums.

Seriously, I usually agree with a good 75% of your posts. But I do not agree here. Webster was a HS to pros pick. they are always inconsistent until they get consistent PT to finally get it. In 07-08 when Webster started he learned the game with good PT. I fully expected him to have a very good year last season coming off of all the PT he got the season before. Unfortunatelly he was lost to injury. I am expecting him to have a great season next year, especially if Outlaw is gone.

I would like to see Webster at summer league for two reasons, even though he is far too good to be there. One, he gets some burn and can test the foot. The second reason, to help Bayless. If Bayless is running the point at summer league with the same no name yahoos that he had last year there, then he will not have much success as a PG. Give him Webster to rely on to knock down a shot for him.

As for T-mac, forget him. Microfracture surgery for a player that can never stay healthy.
 
As they say, the devil is in the details.

You would essentially be giving up cap space this summer, in exchange for cap space next summer. The question is, what is that worth to the Blazers? Will the 2010 FA class really be any better?

By all accounts, the 2010 free agent class will be the best in NBA history. So yes, it will be better.

Mostly this is because LeBron, Wade, Bosh, D Howard, and a bunch of other quality players will be free agents that summer. There is a reason why a ton of teams are aiming towards having cap space in 2010.
 
I thought we wouldn't have any cap space next year because of the holds of Roy and LA.
 
I hadn't thought of it like that. We'd have about $52.6M in committed salary to 10 players after next season + any first rounder we likely stow away in Europe this year and the first rounder we'll have headed into the the 2010 draft. That number could be less by about $2M if we did some tweaking. Maybe like $7M in spending money in 2010.




I have it at about 40 million for 7 players. If you add in a first rounder this year that brings it to about 41 for 8 players.


My question is this. Can Roy and Aldridge be extended after next season, or can we only give them a qualifying offer? I know we can extend them after July 1st this year, but when does that period end? If we could somehow do it after next season that would give us about 25 or so million to spend on FA's in the summer of 10'.


I don't think we can extend them though after next season, we can only sign them to a qualifying offer and hop to fuck they don't become FA's.

Reagrdless. what is the max we could give Lebron James? We'd have around 17 million in cap room next off season.

Roy, James, Aldridge, Oden,,,,,hell, HCP at PG.


That team might be fairly competetive




PS I answered my own question below as to why not resigning them doesn't work
 
I thought we wouldn't have any cap space next year because of the holds of Roy and LA.



If we extended them now there would be no cap hold. It would just be salary, and it would leave the Blazers with 17 or so million in cap room and about 8 players going into that off season.
 
The Rockets are said to be looking for a SG in return, so in other words.....

Blake. Travis and Webster for T-Mac

:ghoti:.


They are looking for a SG in return and we offer three guys that are not SG's?
 
If he gets a setback from his rehab and is deemed unable to play next season, his contract will be a helluva lot more valuable than RLEC's was, especially when you consider how many teams are fighting for capspace in '10.
 
If he gets a setback from his rehab and is deemed unable to play next season, his contract will be a helluva lot more valuable than RLEC's was, especially when you consider how many teams are fighting for capspace in '10.

Considering what the team used RLEC for I find the idea of another expiring contract underwhelming.
 
I have it at about 40 million for 7 players. If you add in a first rounder this year that brings it to about 41 for 8 players.


My question is this. Can Roy and Aldridge be extended after next season, or can we only give them a qualifying offer? I know we can extend them after July 1st this year, but when does that period end? If we could somehow do it after next season that would give us about 25 or so million to spend on FA's in the summer of 10'.


I don't think we can extend them though after next season, we can only sign them to a qualifying offer and hop to fuck they don't become FA's.

Reagrdless. what is the max we could give Lebron James? We'd have around 17 million in cap room next off season.

Roy, James, Aldridge, Oden,,,,,hell, HCP at PG.


That team might be fairly competetive




PS I answered my own question below as to why not resigning them doesn't work

Roy and Aldridge are going to count for over 25 million against the cap no matter what, unless we renounce their rights and let them become unrestricted FA next offseason. If we sign them to extensions 25 million is probably conservative (if guys like Bynum and Bogut can get 10-12 million dollar starting salariesI have to believe Aldridge will see at least 12-13 million, and Roy getting anything less than 14-15ish he can make maximum would be a steal).

But even if we don't extend them this offseason, we still have the nasty business of their free agent capholds, and as both are coming off of rookie scale contracts that makes their capholds pretty high (Roy= ~12million, LA= ~14-15million).

Combined with the ~20 million we would have committed Joel, Oden, Bayless, Rudy, Batum, and the ~2.5 million in additional roster spot cap holds. that leaves us in the neighborhood of a 47-50 million cap number, and unless the cap suddenly booms (not gonna happen) that only leaves ~10 million in cap space.

So the question then becomes, is renting Tmac for 1 year (1 year removed from his latest catastrophic injury) plus any player that we can realistically sign to a 10 million dollar starting salary worth Blake, Outlaw, Webster, every pick we have in the 09 and 2010 drafts (because we would have to renounce all their rights), the rights to all our overseas players(again, have to renounce them to free up room), oh yea and Sergio too. Or we could just use the existing 7-9 million in cap room, or dump Blake/Outlaw and get that cap room even higher, to sign someone this offseason.

(And the max for Lebron's starting salary if he signs a new deal in 2010 will be approx 17-18 million dollars, depending on where the cap threshold moves)
 
Roy and Aldridge are going to count for over 25 million against the cap no matter what, unless we renounce their rights and let them become unrestricted FA next offseason. If we sign them to extensions 25 million is probably conservative (if guys like Bynum and Bogut can get 10-12 million dollar starting salariesI have to believe Aldridge will see at least 12-13 million, and Roy getting anything less than 14-15ish he can make maximum would be a steal).

But even if we don't extend them this offseason, we still have the nasty business of their free agent capholds, and as both are coming off of rookie scale contracts that makes their capholds pretty high (Roy= ~12million, LA= ~14-15million).

Combined with the ~20 million we would have committed Joel, Oden, Bayless, Rudy, Batum, and the ~2.5 million in additional roster spot cap holds. that leaves us in the neighborhood of a 47-50 million cap number, and unless the cap suddenly booms (not gonna happen) that only leaves ~10 million in cap space.

So the question then becomes, is renting Tmac for 1 year (1 year removed from his latest catastrophic injury) plus any player that we can realistically sign to a 10 million dollar starting salary worth Blake, Outlaw, Webster, every pick we have in the 09 and 2010 drafts (because we would have to renounce all their rights), the rights to all our overseas players(again, have to renounce them to free up room), oh yea and Sergio too. Or we could just use the existing 7-9 million in cap room, or dump Blake/Outlaw and get that cap room even higher, to sign someone this offseason.

(And the max for Lebron's starting salary if he signs a new deal in 2010 will be approx 17-18 million dollars, depending on where the cap threshold moves)


Your numbers seem a little off to me.

Joel = 6.85
Oden = 5.36
Bayless = 2.14
Rudy = 1.16
Batum = 1.18

Assuming Roy and Aldridge average 13 million each or 26.0

I get 42.7

I don't get where the 2.5 mil cap hold comes into play because what is there to hold? But even with that 2.5 million cap hold for I don't know what, it still only puts us at 45 million. The cap should be at about 60 million leaving us still with 15 million. Players like Blake, Outlaw and Webster are a dime a dozen. Maybe James is out of the picture, but it's a move you should make. Roll the dice and see if they come up 7, because the worse thing than can happen is you have 15 million dollars available to you in the best FA year in NBA history according to "experts".
 
Your numbers seem a little off to me.

Joel = 6.85
Oden = 5.36
Bayless = 2.14
Rudy = 1.16
Batum = 1.18

Assuming Roy and Aldridge average 13 million each or 26.0

I get 42.7

I don't get where the 2.5 mil cap hold comes into play because what is there to hold? But even with that 2.5 million cap hold for I don't know what, it still only puts us at 45 million. The cap should be at about 60 million leaving us still with 15 million. Players like Blake, Outlaw and Webster are a dime a dozen. Maybe James is out of the picture, but it's a move you should make. Roll the dice and see if they come up 7, because the worse thing than can happen is you have 15 million dollars available to you in the best FA year in NBA history according to "experts".

perhaps he is thinking of our draft pick? #8 is $2.5 mil if we do a trade with NY
 
Your numbers seem a little off to me.

Joel = 6.85
Oden = 5.36
Bayless = 2.14
Rudy = 1.16
Batum = 1.18

Assuming Roy and Aldridge average 13 million each or 26.0

I get 42.7

You're using the wrong year. You need to be looking at our salaries for the 2010-2011 season.
 
Your numbers seem a little off to me.

Also you need to factor in the salary for this year's draft pick, the cap hold for next year's draft pick, Koponen, Freeland, and the exceptions.

Once you do that I believe we're closer to $5M ($7M if we didn't retain our rights to Kop and Free, or keep any of our draft picks in the next couple of drafts.) in space.
 

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