How about this idea

[dumpstralmannow]

Rangers deal off Callahan and Girardi, acquire a couple of extra first round picks spread over 2014 and 2015, offer a huge offer sheet of 6 y, 48 million to a player like Jaden Schwartz or Ryan Johansen. If you acquire a couple of 1st rounders over 2014, 2015, you will only lose 3 first rounders down the line. The odds of drafting a player better than Johansen or Schwartz is slim to none. I personally would love to pencil in Johansen as our number 1 center.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

That is a great plan if only we decide to trade those two. Perhaps a meeting to discuss this with a agreement in place to be resigned after the season. Best of both worlds

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[NYR1962]

I like the idea, and would trade more than just those 2. Would love Johansen, but he's only 23 and I don't CBJ letting him go. Not sure of Schwartz's situation, but I like your basic plan.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I'd rather role the dice on those 2 kids than an UFA who is 28 to 32 on a long term deal. I don't think St. Louis could match that. They have to sign their goalie as well. Plus, that would call dissention on their team most likely as a lot of their players would start to want more money. Columbus might match.

 

[NYR1962]

I'm with you 100%. Couldn't agree more.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

O'Reilly and McGinn are RFA's. Foligno is a RFA. Silverberg is a RFA. DeKeyser and Tatar are RFA's. Despres and B. Sutter are RFA's. Frattin and D. King are RFA's. B. Schenn is a RFA.

These are all players I might take a run at if I was Sather provided they will still be available when FA starts. Every one of them might not be. If Schwartz or Johansen weren't there, I would offer McGinn, King and Foligno all 3 year deals at about 3 million. Don't know if there is a limit how many players you can sign to an offer sheet. I read the rules but I didn't see that. Compensation would be a second rounder for each.

I can see the Rangers not giving a crap about those 2nd round picks if they acquire those 3 guys and get picks from deadline deals this year. I don't believe at least 2 of those teams would match.

 

[NYR1962]

Isn't it typically difficult to pry away RFA's unless you give them an over the top offer? Couod be wrong. Just asking.

 

[chuckd3534]

It is. RFA's almost never get signed by and go to another team. Doesn't mean it cannot happen, but it is very rare.

And I still see no way we deal Cally. Girardi is closer, but even he is more likely to have a new deal than be dealt IMO. Of course the deciding factor will be what these guys are looking for on their new deals. I will also say if they are not re-signed by the trade DL they both need to be dealt for sure. That is a given IMO.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Depends. The Canucks almost let Kesler go when he signed a 1 y, 1.9 offer sheet with the Flyers. King has 10 goals for the Kings. Is he a 10 goal guy over the next 3 to 5 years or is he a 20 goal guy over the next 3 to 5 years. Say the Rangers offer him 5 years, 15 million. The Kings have to make a choice. Even if they match, it hurts them down the line with other players.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I see no way they don't deal Callahan when he will fetch a tremendous return and they most likely will have a chance to sign him back as a UFA and potentially pick up a 1st, 2nd and prospect for him like the Sabres did when they dealt Pominville.

 

[chuckd3534]

Unless, as dump points out, you clearly overpay. But at that point is it still a smart signing in general? You have to wonder.

 

[chuckd3534]

We agree to disagree on that. I personally don't see us dealing him at the moment. If he wants 5.5 + per in his next deal. If he isn't re-signed as the trade DL approaches. Then my opinion on what we'll do will change. But right now I don't see us dealing our captain and team leader.

And it is VERY rare teams deal someone and then he re-signs with his prior team. That is rare dump. I wouldn't count on that as the plan if that is what you want to do.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Honestly, I don't give a crap if Callahan resigns with us if they get a 1st, 2nd and NHL prospect for him. He's always hurt. His passing was never good. With his style of play, he'll be average sooner than later as a player. The future captain of this team will either be McDonagh, Miller or Kreider.

 

[chuckd3534]

I actually do not disagree. I am simply saying I don't see Sather dealing him. I am not saying what I would do, I am still torn on Cally to be honest, I am saying what I think the Rangers will do. And I don't see them dealing Cally. I think he is re-signed for around 4.6 or so per season.

 

[Disturbed]

I like the idea of getting younger free agents and RFA is a way to do it but be prepared for offers on our own RFA's (Kreider?) when we start pillaging GM's for theirs

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Absolutely. That is why the Rangers need to sign Kreider now to a 3 year extension if they plan on going that route. If you are going to use that strategy, you have to extend your RFA's before the end of the season.

 

[Ranger71]

Even if they dont trade Girardi they sure as hell better not re-sign him.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I think Torts idiotic style basically kills any chance a player like Girardi or Callahan has of being good close to or past 30.

 

[chuckd3534]

That would make no sense sc. Unless by the trade DL it looks like this team is in a great spot to be a legit playoff contender and win some rounds, why keep Girardi and then let him walk in the summer by not re-signing him? Makes no sense. If we keep these free agents at the trade DL, including MZA, and then let them walk anyway, Sather is even dumber than we think he is now.

By the trade DL we will have a very strong idea of what they guys want on their new deals, so no excuse not to move them if they aren't re-signed by then or we know for sure we will re-sign them by the summer worst case.

 

[Disturbed]

Does anyone know if Sather gave Girardi or Callahan a NTC?

 

[chuckd3534]

As for the RFA's, here is what you guys need to remember.

1. It is not a common thing where RFA's sign with other teams and go to that other team. It is VERY rare.
2. The way you think you can get an RFA is offer a contract the other team cannot match. Here is the issue with that. The cap goes up 6 mill next season, so pretty much everyone will have cap space to work with. PLUS at some point you say is the contract way over the top and maybe a dumb deal for us, which defeats the purpose of signing the guy.
3. If you get an RFA at a resonable rate, you have to think the other team didn't want the player, so again you sure we want the player if the other team is letting him walk for a reasonable deal?
4. Even if you give a "crazy" deal you don't think can be matched, the other team still can match anyway. See Sakic with us and Weber with Philly.

Add it all up, and to me it is a faultly plan to say we'll re-build by signing other teams RFA's. Very unlikely that happens unless we get crazy with the offers, and even then no given. Plus we open ourselves up to pay back as was mentioned. Not sure that should be a big part of a miny re-build plan this summer.

 

[chuckd3534]

Does anyone know if Sather gave Girardi or Callahan a NTC?

Don't know, but unlikely given where they were in their careers when they signed those deals. I do know Hank has a NTC though.

 

[Ranger71]

I agree Chuck, i guess i shouldve said even if they cant trade him they need to move on from him. Hopefully they do but to be honest the way he looks now i dont see anybody giving alot for him. Maybe a 2nd and a decent prospect which would be fine. Guy's been a total slug for most of the year.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

That pay back thing with RFA's never happens now that I think about it. I've never seen teams paid back yet for making a RFA offer. The Flyers have done it twice. I'm still waiting for them to get paid back. Still waiting.

 

[Ranger71]

Neal is the guy they should've gone after a few years ago. Johansen is the guy i really wanted in that draft too.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Sending McIlrath was beyond stupid. You could see how much more courage the Rangers players had in that game. Our coach and GM clearly can't grasp that.

Honestly, I see no point in not trading Callahan, Girardi, Brassard, Boyle and MDZ and just going with what you get back, playing Kristo, McIlrath, Allen, Miller and Lindberg the rest of the season. It's not like this team has any chance of winning a cup this year. Might as well get these kids valuable experience. I think they really need to see which of those kids can contribute next year so they can judge what they want to do in UFA and RFA.

 

[chuckd3534]

That pay back thing with RFA's never happens now that I think about it. I've never seen teams paid back yet for making a RFA offer. The Flyers have done it twice. I'm still waiting for them to get paid back. Still waiting.

Are you also still waiting on somone to actually get the player dump...LOL. No pay back when you don't get the player.

The RFA market is a tough way to go. History proves that. Nothing to really debate here IMO.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Doesn't matter if they get that player. That has nothing to do with pay back. You think the Preds were happy about matching that moronic contract the Flyers offered Weber? If teams worried about payback, the Flyers would have gotten it from the Preds.

 

[chuckd3534]

Sending McIlrath was beyond stupid. You could see how much more courage the Rangers players had in that game. Our coach and GM clearly can't grasp that.

Honestly, I see no point in not trading Callahan, Girardi, Brassard, Boyle and MDZ and just going with what you get back, playing Kristo, McIlrath, Allen, Miller and Lindberg the rest of the season. It's not like this team has any chance of winning a cup this year. Might as well get these kids valuable experience. I think they really need to see which of those kids can contribute next year so they can judge what they want to do in UFA and RFA.

Makes sense, but I can't see us doing that. Girardi I can see getting dealt. Brassard maybe. MDZ maybe. Boyle strong chance if we can get anything decent back. But I doubt we deal all those guys. I'd say 1 or 2 go, the rest stay. Doubt we do a fire sale. Goes against who we are right or wrong.

I will say this, if we continue to really stink for many more weeks, then all bets are off. I am assuming we are up and down and hanging around the last playoff spot, or at least within reasonable shouting distance. If the wheels continue to really fall off, I could see us dealing a lot of these guys.

 

[chuckd3534]

Doesn't matter if they get that player. That has nothing to do with pay back. You think the Preds were happy about matching that moronic contract the Flyers offered Weber? If teams worried about payback, the Flyers would have gotten it from the Preds.

I also think it has to do with players available. Can't just get payback just to say it. You actually have to want a player from that team.

At any rate, we are off on a useless tangent. Bottom line is signing RFA's away is very rare for MANY reasons. I don't think that is a plan to build a summer of moves around.