OT How are the actions of Russia not an act of war?

[Natebishop3]

Tampering in our elections.

Questions about blackmailing Trump.

If it was 30 years ago, we would be talking about the cold war. This feels like the infiltration of our government back in the 40s and 50s, when Russia had infiltrated so deeply that they knew about the Manhattan Project.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Fake news.

 

[Chris Craig]

Because Trump is president

 

[Chris Craig]

Tampering in our elections.

Questions about blackmailing Trump.

If it was 30 years ago, we would be talking about the cold war. This feels like the infiltration of our government back in the 40s and 50s, when Russia had infiltrated so deeply that they knew about the Manhattan Project.

Russia can do whatever they want now. They can start taking over Asia and Europe and the US won't do shit

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Russia sends spy ship near US coast, deploys banned missiles at home, officials say

A Russian spy ship was spotted patrolling off the East Coast of the United States on Tuesday morning, the first such instance during the Trump administration -- and the same day it was learned the Kremlin had secretly deployed controversial cruise missiles inside Russia and flew within 200 yards of a U.S. Navy destroyer, U.S. officials told Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-off-east-coast-us-officials-say.html

 

[Nikolokolus]

Russia can do whatever they want now. They can start taking over Asia and Europe and the US won't do shit

China might have something to say.

 

[Chris Craig]

Russia sends spy ship near US coast, deploys banned missiles at home, officials say

A Russian spy ship was spotted patrolling off the East Coast of the United States on Tuesday morning, the first such instance during the Trump administration -- and the same day it was learned the Kremlin had secretly deployed controversial cruise missiles inside Russia and flew within 200 yards of a U.S. Navy destroyer, U.S. officials told Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-off-east-coast-us-officials-say.html

And Trump will do nothing about it

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So we're at war with everyone then aren't we? Don't we meddle in everything?

 

[Chris Craig]

Well we got North Korea, Russia, and Iran all shooting off missiles...not a great start to Trumps presidency....and he hasn't cared to really say much if anything about it

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And Trump will do nothing about it

Nothing to do. Russia has done this before.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well we got North Korea, Russia, and Iran all shooting off missiles...not a great start to Trumps presidency....and he hasn't cared to really say much if anything about it

Trump has released statements on the Iran and North Korea missile launches.

 

[MarAzul]

Well we got North Korea, Russia, and Iran all shooting off missiles...not a great start to Trumps presidency....and he hasn't cared to really say much if anything about it

Perhaps Trump should renew the draft, stack it with do good liberals and send the lot of you to kick ass on the punk in North Korea. What you think?

 

[illmatic99]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/...action=swipe&region=FixedRight&pgtype=article

 

[HailBlazers]

Tampering in our elections.

Questions about blackmailing Trump.

If it was 30 years ago, we would be talking about the cold war. This feels like the infiltration of our government back in the 40s and 50s, when Russia had infiltrated so deeply that they knew about the Manhattan Project.

We've been in a constant state of war since we gained our freedom from the crown. There is nothing new here. Just new to you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

...


Mr. Manafort added, “It’s not like these people wear badges that say, ‘I’m a Russian intelligence officer.’”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Tampering in our elections.

Questions about blackmailing Trump.

If it was 30 years ago, we would be talking about the cold war. This feels like the infiltration of our government back in the 40s and 50s, when Russia had infiltrated so deeply that they knew about the Manhattan Project.

 

[MARIS61]

Obama backed down for 8 years to Russia, N Korea, Iran, China...

Now you want Trump to reverse all that in his first month in office?

Meanwhile, oBOMBa's holdouts in the WH are committing treason by leaking our intelligence capabilitites to our enemies via the MSM.

Definitely hoping for some arrests and convictions.

 

[Natebishop3]

Obama backed down for 8 years to Russia, N Korea, Iran, China...

Now you want Trump to reverse all that in his first month in office?

Meanwhile, oBOMBa's holdouts in the WH are committing treason by leaking our intelligence capabilitites to our enemies via the MSM.

Definitely hoping for some arrests and convictions.

Why would he reverse it? He's in bed with them.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't think you understand that we are the badguys.....

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think you understand that we are the badguys.....

We aren't the bad guys..... we're the rubes who let the bad guys run our country. Our people have been sold a bill of goods. We think we're the good guys. We have been brainwashed to believe that we're the good guys. Unfortunately, we haven't been the good guys for 70 years. We're the ones who have been out fucking up other countries and regions. But, regardless, that doesn't change the fact that Russia is trying to fuck us up. I'd prefer not to die, regardless of how shitty our country is.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

We aren't the bad guys..... we're the rubes who let the bad guys run our country. Our people have been sold a bill of goods. We think we're the good guys. We have been brainwashed to believe that we're the good guys. Unfortunately, we haven't been the good guys for 70 years. We're the ones who have been out fucking up other countries and regions. But, regardless, that doesn't change the fact that Russia is trying to fuck us up. I'd prefer not to die, regardless of how shitty our country is.

Looks like you're falling for the American Propoganda Machine, hook, line and sinker.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Russia tells White House it will not return Crimea to Ukraine

Russia said on Wednesday it would not hand back Crimea to Ukraine or discuss the matter with foreign partners after the White House said U.S. President Donald Trump expected the annexed Black Sea peninsula to be returned.

Moscow says an overwhelming majority of Crimeans voted to become part of Russia in a 2014 referendum wanting protection from what the Kremlin cast as an illegal coup in Kiev.

Ukraine says the referendum was a sham held at gunpoint after Russian troops illegally annexed the peninsula, that Russia-friendly president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted by people power, and that Moscow should return Crimea.

"We don't give back our own territory. Crimea is territory belonging to the Russian Federation," Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, told a news briefing on Wednesday.

The 2014 annexation prompted the United States and the European Union to impose sanctions on Russia, plunging Western relations with the Kremlin to their worst level since the Cold War.

White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Tuesday that Trump expected and wanted to get along with Russia, but was expecting Moscow to hand Crimea back.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-ukraine-idUSKBN15U0U0

 

[Nikolokolus]

Looks like you're falling for the American Propoganda Machine, hook, line and sinker.

This literally makes no sense. @Natebishop3's entire argument is that we've been sold a myth. That's the opposite of buying into the propaganda.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This literally makes no sense. @Natebishop3's entire argument is that we've been sold a myth. That's the opposite of buying into the propaganda.

He's taking the "Russia Conspiracy" at face value as if it were actually true. It may just be US media and government propoganda to stir pro-american sentiment among the populace.

 

[Nikolokolus]

He's taking the "Russia Conspiracy" at face value as if it were actually true. It may just be US media and government propoganda to stir pro-american sentiment among the populace.

What "conspiracy?" Are you suggesting the National Security Advisor just lost his job over nothing?

Now I don't know for sure if there is anything to the claims that Russia interfered in our elections or that they are blackmailing Trump, but as natural geopolitical rivals and given Putin's ambitions to restore Russian hegemony in Asia and Eastern Europe, it seems logical to that they would try to undermine the U.S. and other western democracies that might pose a threat to those ambitions.

Suggesting that it's all just mainstream media, or deep state agit-prop to stir up patriotic fervor to start World War III seems like a more extraordinary claim, especially when there are already a number of Russian ties to various Trump appointees and/or campaign people -- Manfort, Tillerson, Flynn, etc.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What "conspiracy?" Are you suggesting the National Security Advisor just lost his job over nothing?

Now I don't know for sure if there is anything to the claims that Russia interfered in our elections or that they are blackmailing Trump, but as natural geopolitical rivals and given Putin's ambitions to restore Russian hegemony in Asia and Eastern Europe, it seems logical to that they would try to undermine the U.S. and other western democracies that might pose a threat to those ambitions.

Suggesting that it's all just mainstream media, or deep state agit-prop to stir up patriotic fervor to start World War III seems like a more extraordinary claim, especially when there are already a number of Russian ties to various Trump appointees and/or campaign people -- Manfort, Tillerson, Flynn, etc.

Or so they claim. Remember, when we're on this side of the pond, the government and news tailors the news how they want us to hear it. Everything can be manipulated, even these so-called ties. I personally think the government is doing what it can do to remove Trump from office as he is not an insider/politician that can be reeled in.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Or so they claim. Remember, when we're on this side of the pond, the government and news tailors the news how they want us to hear it. Everything can be manipulated, even these so-called ties. I personally think the government is doing what it can do to remove Trump from office as he is not an insider/politician that can be reeled in.

Tillerson's "Russian Order of Friendship" award is irrefutable. Paul Manfort's connections to Yanukovych (a Russian puppet) are irrefutable. Flynn resigning over improper contact with a Russian ambassador is irrefutable.

 

[MarAzul]

Are you suggesting the National Security Advisor just lost his job over nothing?

The National Security Advisor just lost his job because of and unlawful recording and a leak of the information to the media by the unknowns within the government.
That is the real issue at hand and those responsible must be discovered and destroyed.

 

[Sedatedfork]

The National Security Advisor just lost his job because of and unlawful recording and a leak of the information to the media by the unknowns within the government.
That is the real issue at hand and those responsible must be discovered and destroyed.

How is this different than the DNC hack.

 

[MarAzul]

DNC hack.

Who did the hacking?