OT How are the actions of Russia not an act of war?

[Natebishop3]

I just don't understand how so many people have bought into Trump.

At best he's a self-serving corporate hack who is going to use the office to better himself and his family.

At worst he's a Russian puppet who is trying to undermine is from within.

I'm not a Democrat. I hated Hillary, but I seriously don't understand how people can so blindly follow this guy. It's really scary. It borders on worship.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The National Security Advisor just lost his job because of and unlawful recording and a leak of the information to the media by the unknowns within the government.

That's 100% incorrect.

But props for the attempt at spinning this.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The National Security Advisor just lost his job because of and unlawful recording and a leak of the information to the media by the unknowns within the government.
That is the real issue at hand and those responsible must be discovered and destroyed.

So he did nothing wrong? OK, got it.

 

[barfo]

The National Security Advisor just lost his job because of and unlawful recording and a leak of the information to the media by the unknowns within the government.
That is the real issue at hand and those responsible must be discovered and destroyed.

Wow.

So, treason is ok. Whistleblowing is not ok.

You sure you wouldn't be happier in, say, Moscow?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I agree with Marazul, it was those damn meddling kids who leaked the information that caused Nixon to resign.

 

[MarAzul]

OK, got it.

No, I don't think you do. I described the unlawful acts I see, what crime could you prove Flynn is guilty of doing?

 

[MarAzul]

That's 100% incorrect.

But props for the attempt at spinning this.

Please clarify.

 

[Natebishop3]

Please clarify.

You served during the cold war, no? How does all this not concern you?

 

[Nikolokolus]

No, I don't think you do. I described the unlawful acts I see, what crime could you prove Flynn is guilty of doing?

He opened himself up to blackmail by a the Russian security services because he lied to the President about conversations he had with a Russian ambassador (and would have known that the NSA monitors those communiques). That's maybe not illegal (depends on how the congress interprets his actions under the Logan Act), but if that doesn't strike you as a fire-able offense or raise some red flags, then I'm wondering where you do draw the line.

 

[MarAzul]

You served during the cold war, no? How does all this not concern you?

Yes, I was primed and ready to go ashore in Cuba, to finish the job of taking out missiles left standing, if any after an air strike. A squadron of heavy Cruisers ready to deliver the necessary fire.

I have no wish to return to those days, we have seen nothing provocative enough to consider it anywhere close to a necessity.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Yes, I was primed and ready to go ashore in Cuba, to finish the job of taking out missiles left standing, if any after an air strike. A squadron of heavy Cruisers ready to deliver the necessary fire.

I have no wish to return to those days, we have seen nothing provocative enough to consider it anywhere close to a necessity.

Well we have Russia and North Korea firing off missiles as often as they like. Seems fairly provocative to me. I don't know if it justifies going to war, but it doesn't seem like a very peaceful time right now.

 

[MarAzul]

(and would have known that the NSA monitors those communiques). That's maybe not illegal (depends on how the congress interprets his actions under the Logan Act)

And so he was fired. I have no problem with that. What seems to me to be a giant problem is the leaking of the information to the press by the NSA or CIA, whom ever about the conversation.
That is the transgress I want fixed. I don't know shit about why Flynn was talking with the Russians nor whether it was Ok or not. I do know the leaker(s) have no right what so ever to spill it to the media.
That is abuse of the law that gives them to right to gather the information on any of us.

 

[MarAzul]

Well we have Russia and North Korea firing off missiles as often as they like. Seems fairly provocative to me. I don't know if it justifies going to war, but it doesn't seem like a very peaceful time right now.

Naw, no reason to hit the panic button..

 

[Spud147]

Let's get one thing straight... Obama fired Flynn... Trump did not. He allowed him to resign after getting caught in a lie and then made statements that feels he's being treated unfairly. Two entirely different responses. Trump is an idiot.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes, I was primed and ready to go ashore in Cuba, to finish the job of taking out missiles left standing, if any after an air strike. A squadron of heavy Cruisers ready to deliver the necessary fire.

I have no wish to return to those days, we have seen nothing provocative enough to consider it anywhere close to a necessity.

If Russia is blackmailing our President and turning him into a puppet, do you not think that we have already returned to those days? Putin wants to take Russia back to the glory days.

 

[MarAzul]

If Russia is blackmailing our President and turning him into a puppet, do you not think that we have already returned to those days? Putin wants to take Russia back to the glory days.

Perhaps it is time to calm yourself.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Perhaps it is time to calm yourself.

 

[Natebishop3]

Perhaps it is time to calm yourself.

I said "if."