Exclusive How do you stop this shit?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Lanny]

"Children should neither be seen or heard from - ever again." W. C. Fields

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Shaboid]

Thieves target another source for stolen goods: Delivery trucks and trains full of packages

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Hoopguru]

People need to stand up to lawlessness in their neighborhoods if authorities are not. Anarchy is what they want along with stolen property.

 

[Orion Bailey]

People need to stand up to lawlessness in their neighborhoods if authorities are not. Anarchy is what they want along with stolen property.

And how? This is where the second amendment comes into play.
Imagine if we had a zero gun policy?
and now all of a sudden that couple who brandished arms on a crowd decending on their property doesnt seem all that out of line does it?
people will do what it rakes to protect their own.
The shame that couple endured for chasing off a potential raid on their place was over the top.
its turning into the wild west again. More and more people talking about carrying weapons in case of a car hack etc…
no win situation all the way around.

 

[Phatguysrule]

And how? This is where the second amendment comes into play.
Imagine if we had a zero gun policy?
and now all of a sudden that couple who brandished arms on a crowd decending on their property doesnt seem all that out of line does it?
people will do what it rakes to protect their own.
The shame that couple endured for chasing off a potential raid on their place was over the top.
its turning into the wild west again. More and more people talking about carrying weapons in case of a car hack etc…
no win situation all the way around.

From what I've seen they were pointing their guns at people who were just walking around outside their property.

You can't do that. That's called brandishing, and it's against the law.

 

[Orion Bailey]

From what I've seen they were pointing their guns at people who were just walking around outside their property.

You can't do that. That's called brandishing, and it's against the law.

maybe the weapons kept them on the street and off their property?
Point being the fear is real.

 

[Phatguysrule]

maybe the weapons kept them on the street and off their property?
Point being the fear is real.

That's illegal. I can't just go point my gun at people with argument that me pointing the gun at them is the reason they didn't mug me.

They are idiots who made gun ownership look like a dangerous joke.

 

[Lanny]

That's illegal. I can't just go point my gun at people with argument that me pointing the gun at them is the reason they didn't mug me.

They are idiots who made gun ownership look like a dangerous joke.

Apparently you are wrong in the state of Missouri.

 

[Phatguysrule]

maybe the weapons kept them on the street and off their property?
Point being the fear is real.

And yes, the FEAR is real. Caused by right wing news networks. This is how January 6th happened and how people actually thought it was OK.

That's what's wrong with supporting and spreading misinformation.

“Where knowledge is a duty, ignorance is a crime.”
Thomas Payne

 

[Orion Bailey]

That's illegal. I can't just go point my gun at people with argument that me pointing the gun at them is the reason they didn't mug me.

They are idiots who made gun ownership look like a dangerous joke.

well of course its illegal. And so is car jacking, train robbing and armed robbery of anothers’ possessions.
So when is breaking the law okay to defend ones self and possessions against criminals or people looking to commit a crime against you?

 

[Orion Bailey]

And yes, the FEAR is real. Caused by right wing news networks. This is how January 6th happened and how people actually thought it was OK.

That's what's wrong with supporting and spreading misinformation.

“Where knowledge is a duty, ignorance is a crime.”
Thomas Payne

Are you saying people arent getting jacked at an alarmingly increasing rate?
Is it not factual, that looting and robbing has escalated to never before seen numbers in our modern world?

if this is happening the. The fear is real due to actual accurances. both side propagate things to fit a narrative.

But they physical evidence is there that its out of control.
For exaMple. I was just at the wells fargo on 82nd and powell yesterday. They were boarding up two windows. Talking to the manager while in line, he has seen three people robbed at the atm outside the bank. Has had a customer wave a gun and then run out of the bank. Said he was at the division branch three months before and had a person shot outside the bank for their atm withdrawal.

The fear is real for far more than just right wing spin. No matter how much you want to dismiss or minimize whats actually going on.

 

[Phatguysrule]

well of course its illegal. And so is car jacking, train robbing and armed robbery of anothers’ possessions.
So when is breaking the law okay to defend ones self and possessions against criminals or people looking to commit a crime against you?

It is disturbing that you don't know the answer to this question.

If that crowd was physically attempting to get in their house they would have been within their rights. You can't just point guns at people on the street. If you do you deserve every bit of blowback and public humiliation to receive.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Are you saying people arent getting jacked at an alarmingly increasing rate?
Is it not factual, that looting and robbing has escalated to never before seen numbers in our modern world?

if this is happening the. The fear is real due to actual accurances. both side propagate things to fit a narrative.

But they physical evidence is there that its out of control.
For exaMple. I was just at the wells fargo on 82nd and powell yesterday. They were boarding up two windows. Talking to the manager while in line, he has seen three people robbed at the atm outside the bank. Has had a customer wave a gun and then run out of the bank. Said he was at the division branch three months before and had a person shot outside the bank for their atm withdrawal.

The fear is real for far more than just right wing spin. No matter how much you want to dismiss or minimize whats actually going on.

None of that has anything to do with pointing guns at nonviolent people on public streets.

This attempt by you to equate peaceful people on public roads with muggers jacking people at the ATM is part of the problem.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It is disturbing that you don't know the answer to this question.

If that crowd was physically attempting to get in their house they would have been within their rights. You can't just point guns at people on the street. If you do you deserve every bit of blowback and public humiliation to receive.

i know the laws. And you gave the answer i somewhat expected. You compared apples to oranges.
whats disturbing to me, is you equating a protesting crowd surging down a street that has been known to peer in peoples homes, damage property and exert violence as being the same as random passerbys.

apples to oranges.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Lanny]

None of that has anything to do with pointing guns at nonviolent people on public streets.

This attempt by you to equate peaceful people on public roads with muggers jacking people at the ATM is part of the problem.

How do you tell whether they have bad intentions or not if you threaten them outside of your property boundary?

 

[Orion Bailey]

None of that has anything to do with pointing guns at nonviolent people on public streets.

This attempt by you to equate peaceful people on public roads with muggers jacking people at the ATM is part of the problem.

Okay got it. You are mixing things up and not maintaining separation of two two difderent points of topic.

no one said anything about randomly waiving guns in public. Thats just you trying to shift gears again.

anyhow you lost me at peaceful people. Lol. Cant take that serious…

also love how you completely dismissed my first couple questions.

 

[Orion Bailey]

How do you tell whether they have bad intentions or not if you threaten them outside of your property boundary?

when the same crowd has been caught breaking things on their surges, trespassing and flashing lights in peoples homes, its reasonable to assume you might be next when seeing them coming down the street.

its also reasonable to want to be preemptively cautious and prepared.

 

[Lanny]

i know the laws. And you gave the answer i somewhat expected. You compared apples to oranges.
whats disturbing to me, is you equating a protesting crowd surging down a street that has been known to peer in peoples homes, damage property and exert violence as being the same as random passerbys.

apples to oranges.

There have been plenty of protest marches down a public street where no property was stolen or damaged, how do you tell if one is ill intentioned? I remember one time when I was on a sparsely populated mountain, Bald Peak, trying to find a friend's house when my gas gauge got down to the bottom of red warning zone. I stopped at a house that turned out to be about a quarter mile from my friend and asked to use the phone to call my friend and bring a gas can full of gas so I could get to his house and back home after my visit. I was ordered off the property immediately. This was before GPS or cell phones. Another time I got lost, again before GPS or cell phones, in Seattle when I was new there. I pulled over to use my map and someone came out of their house and ordered me to be on my way right now.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There have been plenty of protest marches down a public street where no property was stolen or damaged, how do you tell if one is ill intentioned? I remember one time when I was on a sparsely populated mountain, Bald Peak, trying to find a friend's house when my gas gauge got down to the bottom of red warning zone. I stopped at a house that turned out to be about a quarter mile from my friend and asked to use the phone to call my friend and bring a gas can full of gas so I could get to his house and back home after my visit. I was ordered off the property immediately. This was before GPS or cell phones. Another time I got lost, again before GPS or cell phones, in Seattle when I was new there. I pulled over to use my map and someone came out of their house and ordered me to be on my way right now.

You cant. And there in lies the problem.
Unfortunately when some of the crowds turned a blind eye and dismissed the outliers causing damage, it put fear into people that any crowd will have outliers looking for nothing more than chaos and anarchy. These people have largely been suppressed prior to being accepted to march within the peaceful protestors. With their acceptance of such behavior it leaves most people to assume the worst, for fear of the safety of themselves and their property.

put it this way. There are more docile sharks and more aggressive sharks. If swimming in the ocean and doing a shark view or something with docile sharks and an aggressive type comes around, do you really trust any of them anymore? Or do you aim your electric shock stick at any of them that come too close?

 

[Lanny]

You cant. And there in lies the problem.
Unfortunately when some of the crowds turned a blind eye and dismissed the outliers causing damage, it put fear into people that any crowd will have outliers looking for nothing more than chaos and anarchy. These people have largely been suppressed prior to being accepted to march within the peaceful protestors. With their acceptance of such behavior it leaves most people to assume the worst, for fear of the safety of themselves and their property.

put it this way. There are more docile sharks and more aggressive sharks. If swimming in the ocean and doing a shark view or something with docile sharks and an aggressive type comes around, do you really trust any of them anymore? Or do you aim your electric shock stick at any of them that come too close?

How do you tell who's a shark and who isn't?

 

[Orion Bailey]

How do you tell who's a shark and who isn't?

Thats my point Lanny, you cant. So when a crowd allows sharks in it to roam wild, and then that crowd is heading down your street, the common reaction is get prepared to defend thyself and thy property.

 

[Hoopguru]

How do you tell who's a shark and who isn't?

You have to have the mindset of Marshal Dillion. Be cordial, helpful, alert and Be Prepared.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Thats my point Lanny, you cant. So when a crowd allows sharks in it to roam wild, and then that crowd is heading down your street, the common reaction is get prepared to defend thyself and thy property.

You absolutely can. When they are physically trying to eat you, you can assume they are dangerous and threaten them.

You are not allowed to threaten people who aren't assaulting you.

It's very easy to tell the difference. If they aren't assaulting you and you threaten them you are in the wrong. Simple.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You cant. And there in lies the problem.
Unfortunately when some of the crowds turned a blind eye and dismissed the outliers causing damage, it put fear into people that any crowd will have outliers looking for nothing more than chaos and anarchy. These people have largely been suppressed prior to being accepted to march within the peaceful protestors. With their acceptance of such behavior it leaves most people to assume the worst, for fear of the safety of themselves and their property.

put it this way. There are more docile sharks and more aggressive sharks. If swimming in the ocean and doing a shark view or something with docile sharks and an aggressive type comes around, do you really trust any of them anymore? Or do you aim your electric shock stick at any of them that come too close?

You aren't allowed to start shooting the mean looking sharks either... Unless they actually attack you. And even then, there may be consequences.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i know the laws. And you gave the answer i somewhat expected. You compared apples to oranges.
whats disturbing to me, is you equating a protesting crowd surging down a street that has been known to peer in peoples homes, damage property and exert violence as being the same as random passerbys.

apples to oranges.

What is the evidence that these people were doing that, and how did the homeowners verify that these were the same people?

Pointing guns at nonviolent people "surging down the street" should not be condoned or encouraged in any way.

That's how innocent people get shot and more support is built for further gun restrictions.

This macho gun waving bullshit is a huge problem.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What is the evidence that these people were doing that, and how did the homeowners verify that these were the same people?

Pointing guns at nonviolent people "surging down the street" should not be condoned or encouraged in any way.

That's how innocent people get shot and more support is built for further gun restrictions.

This macho gun waving bullshit is a huge problem.

you know what else is a problem? The denial and minimization of the gravity and effect feom letting violent criminals run within the crowds.
I said it when it started and maintain my stance.m now. As long as they allow those breaking the law to swim in their circle, it will undermined a great cause. And look. A year later we are seeing and talking about criminal activity constantly.
The BLM movement? Not so much.

Overshadowed by the spree of crime.

Case closed. Times have changed because of the acceptance and minimization of criminal behavior. No cops around. Laws are out the window for the criminals, so they will be out the window for those looking to defend themselves and their property.
We can agree to disagree, but lets refrain from the insulting comments aimed at belittling ones opinion.