How does Vince Carter feel right now?

[pegs]

You are saying Vince is more aggressive than McGrady, and more willing to take over games?

If that's what you are saying then you are wrong, and the majority of NBA players and management disagree with you.

Okay, so I proved you wrong with the playoffs, and you choose to ignore that. Love that.

I'm not wrong. I sense a double-standard here. Because I've seen games in the playoffs where McGrady was not aggressive at all, just taking jumpshots the whole game. You see that, and call him aggressive...and I'm sure you'll see Carter do the same thing, and call him a pussy.

How do you know the majority of NBA players and management disagree? Do you talk to them?

 

[MisterMontross]

Okay, so I proved you wrong with the playoffs, and you choose to ignore that. Love that.

I'm not wrong. I sense a double-standard here. Because I've seen games in the playoffs where McGrady was not aggressive at all, just taking jumpshots the whole game. You see that, and call him aggressive...and I'm sure you'll see Carter do the same thing, and call him a pussy.

How do you know the majority of NBA players and management disagree? Do you talk to them?

You didn't prove me wrong about the playoffs. McGrady's teams may lose, but not for lack of Tracy's effort.

Take a look at Vince's disappearing acts in the '07 playoffs in game 6 of Raptor series, and games 5 & 6 of the Cavs series.

Vince was put on the block in the '04-'05 season, and the Nets got him for trinkets because the rest of the NBA's management didn't want him because he's a dog.

As he approached becoming a FA in the '07 season, he was labelled 'fool's gold' by an NMA management person, and Bobcats chose to trade their lottery pick for Jason Richardson rather than keep the lottery pick and attempt to sign Vince outright.

Cavs offered Wally straight up for Vince, and Nets were considering it, until I assume) Ratner expressed his preferences.

Seeing a pattern here?

 

[pegs]

You didn't prove me wrong about the playoffs. McGrady's teams may lose, but not for lack of Tracy's effort.

Take a look at Vince's disappearing acts in the '07 playoffs in game 6 of Raptor series, and games 5 & 6 of the Cavs series.

Vince was put on the block in the '04-'05 season, and the Nets got him for trinkets because the rest of the NBA's management didn't want him because he's a dog.

As he approached becoming a FA in the '07 season, he was labelled 'fool's gold' by an NMA management person, and Bobcats chose to trade their lottery pick for Jason Richardson rather than keep the lottery pick and attempt to sign Vince outright.

Cavs offered Wally straight up for Vince, and Nets were considering it, until I assume) Ratner expressed his preferences.

Seeing a pattern here?

Okay. So Tracy McGrady can't get his teams past the 1st round, but it's not his fault. Vince's team gets past the 1st round, but not because of him. Yeah, no double-standard there.

Take a look at Kobe's disappearing act in the 1st round against the Suns last year. And this year, his disappearing act in the Finals. I guess Tracy is better than him, too. (Trying to make a point here, not comparing Vince to Kobe)

In 2004, the Magic put McGrady on the trading block, and got him for 3 players, one of which who is overpaid, and the other two who don't even play any more.

Vince, on the other hand, was injury-plagued, didn't wanna be on the Raptors, and had his reputation tarnished by an interview in which his words were taken out of context. Plus, the Raptors had Babcock as a GM. That alone should tell you something.

Oh, and that fools gold thing was taken out of context. About 3 or 4 people said that multiple times in this thread, but I guess you didn't read/ignored it.

That Bobcats example was terrible. Because...well, look at where the Bobcats are. Still shitty, even with getting Richardson. Hell, they have Michael Jordan as a GM. He's possible one of the worst GMs in the league. It's a good thing that he doesn't find Vince valuable, because his opinions as a GM usually are the opposite of actuality.

The Cavs also offered Wally for Vince because they were under the impression that the Nets were rebuilding, getting ready for 2010, and wanted cap space. Hm, where do you think they got that idea from?

Yes, I'm seeing a pattern that you hate Vince, and have a double-standard when comparing him to Tracy McGrady.

Not sure how 3 teams = "majority" of management.

 

[MisterMontross]

Okay. So Tracy McGrady can't get his teams past the 1st round, but it's not his fault. Vince's team gets past the 1st round, but not because of him. Yeah, no double-standard there.

Take a look at Kobe's disappearing act in the 1st round against the Suns last year. And this year, his disappearing act in the Finals. I guess Tracy is better than him, too.

In 2004, the Magic put McGrady on the trading block, and got him for 3 players, one of which who is overpaid, and the other two who don't even play any more.

Vince, on the other hand, was injury-plagued, didn't wanna be on the Raptors, and had his reputation tarnished by an interview in which his words were taken out of context. Plus, the Raptors had Babcock as a GM. That alone should tell you something.

Oh, and that fools gold thing was taken out of context. About 3 or 4 people said that multiple times in this thread, but I guess you didn't read/ignored it.

That Bobcats example was terrible. Because...well, look at where the Bobcats are. Still shitty, even with getting Richardson. Hell, they have Michael Jordan as a GM. He's possible one of the worst GMs in the league. It's a good thing that he doesn't find Vince valuable, because his opinions as a GM usually are the opposite of actuality.

The Cavs also offered Wally for Vince because they were under the impression that the Nets were rebuilding, getting ready for 2010, and wanted cap space. Hm, where do you think they got that idea from?

Yes, I'm seeing a pattern that you hate Vince, and have a double-standard when comparing him to Tracy McGrady.

Not sure how 3 teams = "majority" of management.

Listen, my man. I'm not in here to crush your dreams. I've watched Vince as a Raptor and a Net, and I have no respect for him or his game.

I've watched McGrady, and and I don't feel that way. I feel Tracy is a warrior.

But whatever gets you through the night.

I'm not going to change your views, and your words are going to convince me that I didn't see what I saw.

You keep the faith in stats, and join as many fantasy leagues as you can.

 

[Netsfan99]

Listen, my man. I'm not in here to crush your dreams. I've watched Vince as a Raptor and a Net, and I have no respect for him or his game.

I've watched McGrady, and and I don't feel that way. I feel Tracy is a warrior.

But whatever gets you through the night.

I'm not going to change your views, and your words are going to convince me that I didn't see what I saw.

You keep the faith in stats, and join as many fantasy leagues as you can.

Continue supporting a player who cant get past the 1st round with one of the best Centers in the league.

 

[pegs]

Listen, my man. I'm not in here to crush your dreams. I've watched Vince as a Raptor and a Net, and I have no respect for him or his game.

I've watched McGrady, and and I don't feel that way. I feel Tracy is a warrior.

But whatever gets you through the night.

I'm not going to change your views, and your words are going to convince me that I didn't see what I saw.

You keep the faith in stats, and join as many fantasy leagues as you can.

I've watched Tracy as a Magic player and a Rockets player. And although I do have respect for him, I don't see him any better than Vince.

Oh, and that's funny, because I didn't mention stats at all. Seriously, point out to me where I made any mention to stats at all. Please. Good job making yourself look silly, by bringing something up completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Which, by the way, you completely killed for a reason I haven't been able to figure out. Are your debating skills waning?

 

[MisterMontross]

Continue supporting a player who cant get past the 1st round with one of the best Centers in the league.

Supporting? Get a grip. I didn't bring up the McGrady comparisons.

 

[cpawfan]

Don't believe I was referring to one or two games. I was talking about their playoff careers.

And, really, I take McGrady over Vince, even with the back problems because, again, McGrady has the will to take over and dominate games by playing aggressively.

Vince doesn't have the drive to be aggressive on any type of consistant basis.

There are plenty of reasons to take TMac over Vince, but you haven't presented any of them.

 

[MisterMontross]

Continue supporting a player who cant get past the 1st round with one of the best Centers in the league.

Supporting McGrady? I've never mentioned McGrady before this thread. But I definitely would take him over Carter.

 

[MisterMontross]

There are plenty of reasons to take TMac over Vince, but you haven't presented any of them.

Yeah, I think I have. McGrady plays the game with heart and passion, and Vince doesn't.

Much easier to be a fan of McGrady's, although I am not actually one.

Get it?

 

[cpawfan]

Okay, so I proved you wrong with the playoffs, and you choose to ignore that. Love that.

I'm not wrong. I sense a double-standard here. Because I've seen games in the playoffs where McGrady was not aggressive at all, just taking jumpshots the whole game. You see that, and call him aggressive...and I'm sure you'll see Carter do the same thing, and call him a pussy.

How do you know the majority of NBA players and management disagree? Do you talk to them?

In looking back over this thread, I see no good reason why this strawman of Vince vs TMac was introduced.

 

[cpawfan]

Yeah, I think I have. McGrady plays the game with heart and passion, and Vince doesn't.

That is where your position falls apart. TMac does not play that way. See game 7 of the 2005 playoffs against Dallas.

Much easier to be a fan of McGrady's, although I am not actually one.

Well, he is the better player, but he didn't have the dunk contest so it is a draw.

 

[ace]

This isn't bad at all. I know a VC fanboy that is really bad.

 

[pegs]

In looking back over this thread, I see no good reason why this strawman of Vince vs TMac was introduced.

Sorry for attempting to promote discussion. I promise I won't do it next time.

 

[pegs]

Oh, and that's funny, because I didn't mention stats at all. Seriously, point out to me where I made any mention to stats at all. Please. Good job making yourself look silly, by bringing something up completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Oh, can't find anything Montross? Didn't think so. Because I never mentioned stats. Get your shit straight before you start making dumb accusations.

 

[cpawfan]

Sorry for attempting to promote discussion. I promise I won't do it next time.

Poor attempt at sarcasm there peg. What is the point of introducing TMac?

Is it an attempt to "prove" Vince is better?

Is it an attempt to "prove" if you like TMac, you should like Vince more?

Is it an attempt to "prove" that someone has an illogical stance?

 

[MisterMontross]

That is where your position falls apart. TMac does not play that way. See game 7 of the 2005 playoffs against Dallas.



Well, he is the better player, but he didn't have the dunk contest so it is a draw.

Okay. Tracy sucked that game, I'm assuming.

Had he attended his HS graduation prior to the game?

Tracy wants to be a great NBA player.

Vince wants his mommy to love him.

 

[cpawfan]

Tracy wants to be a great NBA player.

Based upon what evidence?

Vince wants his mommy to love him.

When has she meddle with things during his time with the Nets?

 

[MaxaMillion711]

Okay. Tracy sucked that game, I'm assuming.

Had he attended his HS graduation prior to the game?

Tracy wants to be a great NBA player.

Vince wants his mommy to love him.

guys. guys. guys. ive figured it out. this is not a human poster were talking to.

this is the hatebot 5000....it just regurgitates cliche vc hater material over and over again with no knowledge or thought to what they are saying

it also is programmed not to respond to our valid points and refuses to even read them

its clearly an old edition...you can tell cause it is using the "vc is a mama's boy" and "vc attended his graduation"....that stuff has been run into the ground already.

we should all pitch in and help buy a new one so we can argue with more up to date material instead of dated and proven wrong garabge from years past.

 

[MisterMontross]

guys. guys. guys. ive figured it out. this is not a human poster were talking to.

this is the hatebot 5000....it just regurgitates cliche vc hater material over and over again with no knowledge or thought to what they are saying

it also is programmed not to respond to our valid points and refuses to even read them

its clearly an old edition...you can tell cause it is using the "vc is a mama's boy" and "vc attended his graduation"....that stuff has been run into the ground already.

we should all pitch in and help buy a new one so we can argue with more up to date material instead of dated and proven wrong garabge from years past.

Someone's making it personal.

Sonny, you have no idea how much that says about you, psychologically.

 

[Black Republican]

Okay. Tracy sucked that game, I'm assuming.

Had he attended his HS graduation prior to the game?

Tracy wants to be a great NBA player.

Vince wants his mommy to love him.

HS? LMAOOOOOOOO! U dont know shit, man. Just stop

 

[MisterMontross]

HS? LMAOOOOOOOO! U dont know shit, man. Just stop

Damn. You've convinced me.

 

[soul driver]

eh, this thread should be closed. it's way off topic and has been beaten to death. nothing else needs to be said that hasn't been said before.

 

[MaxaMillion711]

ah well. It's been fun gents. Well do this again next time someone makes a pro-vc thread.

 

[GMJ]

This thread is now closed since many of you cannot abide by the forum rules.

If you disagree with someone's opinion, then provide sensible reasoning to discuss the issue at hand. Trying to personally insult a poster for having a different view is unacceptable, and shows a real immaturity, as well as a lack of an ability to support your opinion.

If you have any questions, please send me a PM as always

GMJ

 

[pegs]

lol, someone put up the numbers last year

I cant clearly remember them but it was something like




when carter is playing the team can win not much but at leat 3X games

When carter was hurt the team won 0 games.


That basically shows how much he contributes to the team winning. Past playoffs dont mean shit, T-mac = rubbish coz he can never go past round 1?

Poor attempt at sarcasm there peg. What is the point of introducing TMac?

Is it an attempt to "prove" Vince is better?

Is it an attempt to "prove" if you like TMac, you should like Vince more?

Is it an attempt to "prove" that someone has an illogical stance?

I didn't introduce him, though. I'm just adding to something that someone else said when comparing T-Mac to Vince. Montross just happened to only notice my post.

I was actually trying to prove that even though Vince has accomplished more than Tracy, he gets hated on much, much more. That isn't illogical at all. Nice try.

Sorry that you misunderstood, maybe you should reread my posts.