How Donald Trump Bankrupted His Atlantic City Casinos, but Still Earned Millions

[Denny Crane]

Bullshit...Clinton and Sanders have addressed this issue many times. Sorry, I don't buy it Denny....Trump is a photo negative of what a president should be. He doesn't discriminate though...he'll hate on anyone that contests him on any level. The sooner he goes away, the better off we'll be. I'm not a Hillary fan but I really don't have an ounce of trust for Trump's character. You can't call Hillary a liar without seeing the lies for votes Trump has puked all over the media.

Trump is a liar, too. So what?

It bugs me to no end that he's maybe lied about what's gone on in the civil cases against him.

His lies, though, don't rise to the level of getting a US ambassador killed or covering up for it, or other incompetence at governing.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope. Not saying the polls are skewed at all. As far as I know, the polls (in aggregate) are correct.

It's just that the election isn't today. But if it was, the polls say Clinton would win in an electoral landslide.

barfo

Yeah, you are saying the polls are skewed. The polls don't reflect the "reality" that you claim.

 

[riverman]

Trump is a liar, too. So what?

It bugs me to no end that he's maybe lied about what's gone on in the civil cases against him.

His lies, though, don't rise to the level of getting a US ambassador killed.

Well I don't blame the Secretary of State for the death of the ambassador. He had a dangerous posting and his death was tragic...to use it as spin ammo against the Obama cabinet is wrong in my view. Many, many US officials, journalists, tourists and soldiers have died because of these type circumstances. The country continues to move on and has made it's fair share of blunders and tactical errors...shit happens. Trump, I guarantee has never been in harms way in defense of our country

 

[riverman]

Yeah, you are saying the polls are skewed. The polls don't reflect the "reality" that you claim.

That's why they're skewed...the opposition opinion can always find a poll to support its position...door swings both ways

 

[Denny Crane]

Well I don't blame the Secretary of State for the death of the ambassador. He had a dangerous posting and his death was tragic...to use it as spin ammo against the Obama cabinet is wrong in my view. Many, many US officials, journalists, tourists and soldiers have died because of these type circumstances. The country continues to move on and has made it's fair share of blunders and tactical errors...shit happens. Trump, I guarantee has never been in harms way in defense of our country

The world is a dangerous place, indeed. We rarely lose ambassadors. The last one killed before this one was during the Carter administration (talk about incompetence).

 

[Denny Crane]

That's why they're skewed...the opposition opinion can always find a poll to support its position...door swings both ways

So you're saying they're skewed.

OK.

 

[barfo]

Yeah, you are saying the polls are skewed. The polls don't reflect the "reality" that you claim.

Sure they do. Add up the states where Clinton is ahead in the polls. Add up the states where Trump is ahead in the polls. The result is a landslide. There are NO Obama states where Trump leads.

No, 'close' does not count.

barfo

 

[barfo]

The world is a dangerous place, indeed. We rarely lose ambassadors. The last one killed before this one was during the Carter administration (talk about incompetence).

And what about Beirut under Reagan? The ambassador didn't die, but only by luck - he was there at the time, and sixty-some non-ambassador people died around him. Talk about incompetence.

barfo

 

[crandc]

Trump has pledged to appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn marriage equality.

Had I no other reason for voting against him that would be enough.

 

[barfo]

Trump is a liar, too. So what?

It bugs me to no end that he's maybe lied about what's gone on in the civil cases against him.

Really? Because I think this is literally the first time you've mentioned it.

His lies, though, don't rise to the level of getting a US ambassador killed or covering up for it, or other incompetence at governing.

That's a big advantage of having no relevant experience, I guess.

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Trump has pledged to appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn marriage equality.

Had I no other reason for voting against him that would be enough.

Silly me, I thought that all he had said was that he would strongly consider it, and that primarily to try to appeal to the religious right.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/tru...lity-id-appoint-judges-who-would-overturn-it/

I seriously doubt that he even cares about same-sex marriage.

 

[crandc]

I am going by what he said 2 weeks ago at "Faith and Freedom" conference.

Oh well, just strongly consider taking away my rights? Well, shit, I should be just fine with that! As long as he doesn't absolutely guarantee it!

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure they do. Add up the states where Clinton is ahead in the polls. Add up the states where Trump is ahead in the polls. The result is a landslide. There are NO Obama states where Trump leads.

No, 'close' does not count.

barfo

Within the margin of error means nobody is ahead. There are at least 4 Obama states in which Hiliar isn't ahead.

 

[Denny Crane]

Really? Because I think this is literally the first time you've mentioned it.



That's a big advantage of having no relevant experience, I guess.

barfo

No, it's not the first time I mentioned it.

I posted about how he was sued by the government for violation of the civil rights act, denying housing to blacks in the 70s.

Ross Perot told this story. "A blue collar bank robber (Trump) goes and robs banks the old fashioned way, one at a time. The white collar ones (Hiliar) robs multiple (or all) the banks at once."

Trump never overthrew Libya. Where there is relevant experience, I want no part of it.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am going by what he said 2 weeks ago at "Faith and Freedom" conference.

Oh well, just strongly consider taking away my rights? Well, shit, I should be just fine with that! As long as he doesn't absolutely guarantee it!

https://web.archive.org/web/2006050...p.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=121537

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

I don't think Fox is unbiased.

When lefties whine about money in politics (campaigns), they don't consider two things: 1) the effort to destroy trump by the media is worth hundreds of $millions if the campaign would have to pay for all that air time, and 2) if you make laws restricting free speech (money), the guys with the money will buy/create newspapers or other media outlets that can't be silenced (freedom of the press).

And 3) it wasn't money that won Trump the republican nomination - the big money was against him

And 4) it wasn't money that beat Sanders - it was the undemocratic party rigging the election against him

Not suggesting that you are a FOX lover and think they are unbiased. Just saying your premise of news outlets should be unbiased is idealistic and no longer applies to modern news. FOX is the poster child for this blueprint and their slogan of "fair and unbiased" struck me as ironic so felt compelled to use them as an example.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not suggesting that you are a FOX lover and think they are unbiased. Just saying your premise of news outlets should be unbiased is idealistic and no longer applies to modern news. FOX is the poster child for this blueprint and their slogan of "fair and unbiased" struck me as ironic so felt compelled to use them as an example.

If a station claims to be the most trusted leader in news (CNN), it should not be biased. Fox claims to balance against left wing media bias of other outlets, not that it is unbiased.

 

[magnifier661]

You're missing the boat here. But go ahead, focus more on the media instead of the shit your candidate says.

Okay

 

[barfo]

Within the margin of error means nobody is ahead. There are at least 4 Obama states in which Hiliar isn't ahead.

No, that isn't what within the margin of error means. It doesn't mean the race is a tie, or that nobody is ahead, or that the probability is 50/50. It doesn't mean that any outcome within +/- the margin of error is equally likely.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

No, that isn't what within the margin of error means. It doesn't mean the race is a tie, or that nobody is ahead, or that the probability is 50/50. It doesn't mean that any outcome within +/- the margin of error is equally likely.

barfo

It means that the poll can be in error, meaning Hiliar might be behind in those polls, or a tie. You're wrong on so many levels. On this too!

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/support/polling-fundamentals-total-survey-error/

Sampling Error is the calculated statistical imprecision due to interviewing a random sample instead of the entire population. The margin of error provides an estimate of how much the results of the sample may differ due to chance when compared to what would have been found if the entire population was interviewed.

 

[barfo]

It means that the poll can be in error

Obviously the poll can be in error.

, meaning Hiliar might be behind in those polls, or a tie.

Yes, that's correct so far. But "might" simply indicates non-zero probability. It doesn't mean likely.

You're wrong on so many levels. On this too!

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/support/polling-fundamentals-total-survey-error/

Sampling Error is the calculated statistical imprecision due to interviewing a random sample instead of the entire population. The margin of error provides an estimate of how much the results of the sample may differ due to chance when compared to what would have been found if the entire population was interviewed.

Yeah... but none of that addresses or invalidates my points in the previous post.

The statistical assumption underlying the margin of error is that the results of a lot of polls (more samples) will be in a normal distribution peaked at the result that the poll actually found.

In other words, if the poll says candidate A leads (but within the margin of error) it is still more likely than not that candidate A leads.

I actually think you know all that and are pretending you don't because you want so badly for Trump to win.

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

What's sad is that anyone would want either one of these schmucks to win.

 

[Denny Crane]

Obviously the poll can be in error.



Yes, that's correct so far. But "might" simply indicates non-zero probability. It doesn't mean likely.



Yeah... but none of that addresses or invalidates my points in the previous post.

The statistical assumption underlying the margin of error is that the results of a lot of polls (more samples) will be in a normal distribution peaked at the result that the poll actually found.

In other words, if the poll says candidate A leads (but within the margin of error) it is still more likely than not that candidate A leads.

I actually think you know all that and are pretending you don't because you want so badly for Trump to win.

barfo

Error is error. You cannot say for sure who's ahead if within the margin of error. With 95% certainly.

If Trump winning gets your panties in more of a bunch, that's a plus.

 

[riverman]

What's sad is that anyone would want either one of these schmucks to win.

What's even worse is it's almost always been like this but they used to be slick at disguising their apathy with false promises

 

[barfo]

Error is error. You cannot say for sure who's ahead if within the margin of error.

Right. But of course you can't say for sure who's ahead if it isn't within the margin of error, either.

If Trump winning gets your panties in more of a bunch, that's a plus.

If either of us has our panties in a bunch about the election, I kind of think it is you...

Denny's preference: Johnson, Trump, Clinton
Likely outcome: Clinton, Trump, Johnson

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Likely outcome: Clinton, Trump, Johnson

barfo

And you wonder why most people think the country is going in the wrong direction.

 

[barfo]

And you wonder why most people think the country is going in the wrong direction.

Guess they think your direction is an even worse one.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

WHOOPS! HOW EMBARRASSING!

I was looking for the How Paul Allen Bankrupted His Portland NBA Team, but Still Earned Millions thread.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

WHOOPS! HOW EMBARRASSING!

I was looking for the How Paul Allen Bankrupted His Portland NBA Team, but Still Earned Millions thread.

He didn't BK the team.

 

[Denny Crane]

Guess they think your direction is an even worse one.

barfo

No, they keep voting for who makes the direction worse.

Obama's policies haven't changed anyone's minds. But Hiliar's will. Riiiiiight.