How low will California fall?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

interestingly enough:

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/apply-online/index.html

# Social Security number, if you have one. We use this to match your application to things like your test score report and final transcript.

# Citizenship status. You must enter your country of citizenship (or "No Selection"). If your country of citizenship is outside the United States, you'll need to provide your immigration status and your visa type.

I wonder how many of the illegals lie on their UC applications with fake SSNs or misrepresent their country of citizenship. If they are citizens of Mexico, they should apply as an international student and get a student visa. But I guess the lesson in the state of california is "why do it through the proper channels when you can just lie about it".

Exactly why this state is going in the shitter.

 

[maxiep]

That's ok, because in my plan, the billionaires pay enough taxes to subsidize many many other kids. In your plan the billionaire pays only for his own kid.

barfo

I'm pretty sure the billionaires pay plenty of taxes in either case. I believe in low taxes, not no taxes.

Again, the issue is whether or not California should continue to subsidize the university educational system that directly benefits only a select few, people that are better equipped to take care of themselves.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...10402116987146-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwNjExNDYyWj.html

California officials acknowledged last Thursday that the state faces $20 billion deficits every year from now to 2016. At the same time, California's state Treasurer entered bond markets to sell some $14 billion in "revenue anticipation notes" over the next two weeks. Worst of all, economic sanity lost out in what may have been the most important election on Nov. 2—and, no, I'm not talking about the gubernatorial or senate races.

This was the California referendum to repeal Assembly Bill 32, the so-called Global Warming Solutions Act, which ratchets the state's economy back to 1990 levels of greenhouse gases by 2020. That's a 30% drop followed by a mandated 80% overall drop by 2050. Together with a $500 billion public-pension overhang, the new energy cap dooms the state to bankruptcy.

The massive vote against repeal of the California law—62% to 38%—supports an economy-crushing drive to suppress CO2 emissions from natural gas and everything else. In a parody of supply-side economics, advocates of AB 32 envisage the substitution of alternative energy sources that create new revenue sources, new jobs and industries. Their economic model sees new wealth emerge from jobs dismantling the existing energy economy and replacing it with a medieval system of windmills and solar collectors. By this logic we could all get rich by razing the existing housing plant and replacing it with new-fangled tents.

 

[Denny Crane]

They are california residents, and certainly US residents.

They went to high school in california for 3 years. That makes them residents, and qualifies them for the lower tuition.

I do realize the OT forum is a fact free zone and El Presidente has never let facts get in the way of a political point or prejudice.

But the role of the State Supreme Court is to decide if a given policy is or is not consistent with the State Constitution and existing law.

The law as written clearly states that anyone who attends high school in California for at least 3 years is a state resident and entitled to in-state tuition if he/she is accepted at a state college/university. The law makes no exception based on citizenship, just residency. So the State Supreme Court did their job and applied the law.

On the first page.

 

[Denny Crane]

The best argument in this thread was, "neener neener neener."

I'm convinced.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

On the first page.

Even if they are California residents, in the most bastardized sense of the word, they are still illegally here, therefore should not be given a spot or the tuition break for a legal resident. Just the fact that this is "ok" here is indicative of why California fails.

 

[Denny Crane]

Even if they are California residents, in the most bastardized sense of the word, they are still illegally here, therefore should not be given a spot or the tuition break for a legal resident. Just the fact that this is "ok" here is indicative of why California fails.

The fact these people are here is why California has been an economic powerhouse for a century. If it's not the Mexicans who pick our crops at low wages, it's the Chinese who built the railroads. And these Mexicans (they're NOT US citizens, nor should they particularly be) are going to be paying your social security.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The fact these people are here is why California has been an economic powerhouse for a century. If it's not the Mexicans who pick our crops at low wages, it's the Chinese who built the railroads. And these Mexicans (they're NOT US citizens, nor should they particularly be) are going to be paying your social security.

Fine. Let them pick crops then. Migrant work force. In and out.

If we were to have immigrants that come to California and enter the colleges, I'd much rather prefer it to be high skilled technology workers from Asian countries. Would do a helluva lot more economically versus some guy picking berries.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fine. Let them pick crops then. Migrant work force. In and out.

If we were to have immigrants that come to California and enter the colleges, I'd much rather prefer it to be high skilled technology workers from Asian countries. Would do a helluva lot more economically versus some guy picking berries.

Those high skilled technology workers from Asian countries are likely to take our education back to their Asian countries than stay.

Picking berries for below minimum wage is a form of paying a huge tax. The money from that tax goes to make our food cost less. For that as well as paying actual taxes, they deserve to receive the benefits that taxpayers receive.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Those high skilled technology workers from Asian countries are likely to take our education back to their Asian countries than stay.

Picking berries for below minimum wage is a form of paying a huge tax. The money from that tax goes to make our food cost less. For that as well as paying actual taxes, they deserve to receive the benefits that taxpayers receive.

When there were more H1Bs being handed out, that's when the tech boom happened in the early 2000s. After they slowed them down, the whole sector kind of slowed up too. The thing is that many of the smartest and brightest in India and other countries are stuck in a system where they are trained and educated to the top. Then they become lowly call center workers and tech support. Here they would be systems engineers, etc.

As for the illegals picking berries being some sort of savings. Wrong again. go to any other country in the world, they don't have illegals working for less and the costs are still the same or similar. Its not like in Canada, the produce is 3x as much as it is here.

 

[Denny Crane]

You think paying union wages to berry pickers would mean the prices for berries would be roughly the same?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You think paying union wages to berry pickers would mean the prices for berries would be roughly the same?

The market will determine the price consumers are willing to pay for berries. If they want to jack up the prices, they'll all rot and go unsold.

Besides, there is a migrant workforce that is willing to work and go back to mexico. No need to give them spots in colleges, universities and jobs that could go to citizens of the United States.

 

[Denny Crane]

The market will determine the price consumers are willing to pay for berries. If they want to jack up the prices, they'll all rot and go unsold.

Besides, there is a migrant workforce that is willing to work and go back to mexico. No need to give them spots in colleges, universities and jobs that could go to citizens of the United States.

Your complaint seems to be the migrant workers don't go back like you now claim.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Your complaint seems to be the migrant workers don't go back like you now claim.

no. Migrant workers are fine. Its when they come here illegally and start getting in-state tuition benefits, taking scholarships and the places of US Citizens in public institutions, not to mention hospitals and other facilities when they shouldn't even be here.

 

[barfo]

The best argument in this thread was, "neener neener neener."

I'm convinced.

My god, you finally acknowledge one of my arguments. Of course you got it wrong, it was "neener neener". But it's a start.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

My god, you finally acknowledge one of my arguments. Of course you got it wrong, it was "neener neener". But it's a start.

barfo

I still question your reading comprehension. There are THREE "neeners" in "neener, neener, neener" just as there are to "ha's" in "ha ha."

 

[maxiep]

http://blogs.forbes.com/joelkotkin/...ts-suicide-texas-asks-can-i-lend-you-a-knife/

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I was HUGELY against this the first time around. However, never underestimate the stupidity of California
http://www.latimes.com/health/la-me-stem-cell-20101122,0,586087.story

When millionaire Silicon Valley real estate developer Bob Klein launched his ballot drive to create a $3-billion state fund for stem-cell research in 2004, he pitched it as a way of taking politics out of science and focusing on cures. One particularly heartbreaking campaign ad showed former big screen Superman Christopher Reeve paralyzed in a wheelchair, struggling for breath and imploring California voters to "stand up for those who can't."

Next month, Klein's six-year term as chairman of the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine expires. Under his stewardship, the agency has funded research leading to hundreds of scientific papers, but scientists say marketable therapies for maladies such as cancer, Alzheimer's and spinal cord damage promised during the campaign remain years, if not decades, away.

In a recent interview with The Times, Klein said he plans to ask voters to approve another $3 billion in a bond measure on the 2014 ballot to keep the stem cell program going.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

get ready for your 30-80% increase in gas prices!

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2010/11/21/carb-set-to-boost-ca-gas-prices/

Buoyed by the repudiation of Prop. 23, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) is moving forward with cap-and-trade regulations designed to reduce the carbon level in fuel, but which will also drive up gas prices, further damaging California’s weak economy.

Beginning in January the $183 billion fuel industry in California will need to begin adhering to CARB’s Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS), which has a goal of reducing the carbon level in transportation fuel by 10 percent by 2020. Fuel producers can do so by blending in bio-fuels such as ethanol or by purchasing emission credits, perhaps from electric or natural gas utilities, to offset their high-carbon fuel supply.

Several studies on the impact of a nation-wide LCFS, as proposed in the cap-and-trade legislation passed by the House (but stalled in the Senate), predict that just about everyone will suffer as a result.

“Adoption of a nationwide LCFS will result in a price shock that will dramatically increase the cost of transportation to consumers and have long-term effects on the economy by increasing transportation costs for all goods,” concludes a study released in June by Charles River Associates. “The price shock – about a 30 to 80 percent increase in the cost of transportation fuels within five years of the time the LCFS is implemented – is caused by the large increase in production of low-carbon fuels required to achieve the reductions in emissions required by the standard. It is highly unlikely that it will be possible to produce sufficient quantities of fuel with sufficiently low emissions to meet the standard without drastically reducing the total amount of fuel consumed.”

The potential cost per household ranges from $570 to $6,500 annually, and the price of gasoline would increase 61 cents per gallon, according to two studies on the nationwide LCFS impacts conducted last year by the George C. Marshall Institute.

“The principal winners under an LCFS are those who are subsidized – namely suppliers of the low carbon fuel, and raw material suppliers and processors of that fuel,” states one Marshall study. “Among the principal losers are consumers who will have to pay higher costs for transportation fuels while realizing little environmental or other benefits.”

 

[huevonkiller]

Sweet.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Unbelievable, Kamala Harris, the NUTBAG DA from San Francisco who fosters the cities sanctuary city status, will not pursue the DEATH Penalty (even when cops are killed) and was not endorsed by one police agency in the entire state is the new District Attorney of California.

So. Fucked.

 

[HailBlazers]

get ready for your 30-80% increase in gas prices!

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2010/11/21/carb-set-to-boost-ca-gas-prices/

So fucking DUMB. We could save 10x more carbon from entering our atmosphere by protecting our rain-forest's and oceans

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

all this global warming final solutions bullshit is going to do is force companies to move out of state due to expensive costs to run a biz.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dwp-rates-20101207,0,3531908.story

The rate-hike projections were announced as the DWP unveiled a draft plan that lays out the cost of the utility's proposed fuel mix over the next 20 years.

Mike Webster, the DWP's assistant director of power system development and planning, predicted the average rate hikes would be even larger over the next five years, as the city complies with new state carbon emission limits and regulations requiring the adoption of renewable power, such as solar and wind energy. Those annual increases would range from 5% to 8%, but more likely be "closer to 8%," he said.

great, LA DWP customers (such as me) get an 8% increase in rates PER YEAR. Thanks green energy!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Gallon of regular in California right now is around $3.40. In a year that will seem cheap.

Also...Carnival Cruise lines and others leaving. Some say Mexico and the drug violence, I say its the cost of porting in California and its increasingly bad business climate. They'll have to carbon trade. Watch the state, more companies will leave.


http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=12613050

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You say electric cars are the future? Domino effect here.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-autos-electric-rates-20110114,0,5756943.story

So basically they'll increase electricity rates and expect people to go electric?

 

[andalusian]

You say electric cars are the future? Domino effect here.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-autos-electric-rates-20110114,0,5756943.story

So basically they'll increase electricity rates and expect people to go electric?

You realize that the price per mile for energy consumption of an electric vehicle is about 8% of the price per mile of a gasoline vehicle? Even if they double the cost of electricity for car usage - it would still be much cheaper than gasoline...

Fossil fuels as the dominant source of transportation energy is very backward thinking. It is clear that it will take some time to transform the infrastructure - but investing in it is a very smart idea.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah smart as long as its government subsidized.

X

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If Quakes Weren’t Enough, Enter the ‘Superstorm’

SACRAMENTO — California faces the risk not just of devastating earthquakes but also of a catastrophic storm that could tear at the coasts, inundate the Central Valley and cause four to five times as much economic damage as a large quake, scientists and emergency planners warn.

The potential for such a storm was described at a conference of federal and California officials that ended Friday. Combining advanced flood mapping and atmospheric projections with data on California’s geologic flood history, over 100 scientists calculated the probable consequences of a “superstorm” carrying tropical moisture from the South Pacific and dropping up to 10 feet of rain across the state.

“Floods are as much a part of our lives in California as earthquakes are,” said Lucy Jones, the chief scientist for the United States Geological Survey’s multi-hazards initiative, adding, “We are probably not going to be able to handle the biggest ones.”

The geological survey estimates that such a storm could cause up to $300 billion in damage. The scientists’ models estimate that almost one-fourth of the houses in California could experience some flood damage from one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/science/earth/16flood.html?_r=1&hp

 

[Denny Crane]

I read somewhere along the line that the Chevy Volt takes $1.47 worth of electricity a night to charge. While it does get you 25 miles or less. It's really the equivalent of ~$3/gallon gas in a car that gets 50MPG (or 40MPG if the Volt gets 20 miles/charge)

More realistically, the Volt will be using its gas engine, and it gets 37 MPG (combined city/highway).