How many games can we win without Dame

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How many games will we win

  • 20+

    Votes: 20 40.8%

  • 30+

    Votes: 17 34.7%

  • Play in

    Votes: 6 12.2%

  • Playoffs

    Votes: 2 4.1%

  • Homecourt advantage

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • We going to the finals!!!

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • Total voters
    49
I said 30+, because while of course it depends on who's on the roster, I have a feeling:
  • The Blazers are going to try to win with young guys, Nurk, and Grant. Not having Nurk and Grant would doom us to a total youth movement, but the Blazers probably won't commit to that.
  • Having our roster, like, play to win the whole year will make a big difference. We've utterly shut down our main players the last couple of seasons and it showed. It also paid off, of course.
  • I wonder if we'll add anyone else above 6'9" tall.
I'm excited about what is going to happen. I just hope our offense isn't feeding Grant as many shots as he can handle.
 
can't make a prediction until we see who the Blazers get back in the Lillard/Nurk trade to Miami.
 
I truly believe that Scoot and Sharpe are going to energize this entire team, and Grant will be like an old dog with a new puppy. If Ant can see the value of the role he can play for the team, he will be fantastic. I also have a feeling that Murray is going to step right in, plant it in the corner, and hit a lot of threes. If they can somehow get an athletic center that sets picks, rebound and can finish at the rim, they will make the play in.
 
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It's interesting.... when Chauncey has a team of guys who buy into his system completely, he wins. When he has a bunch of selfish ball hogs, his system fails.

I actually have a really good feeling about next season. Not saying that we're going to make the playoffs, but I think we're going to scare some people. I think if we get players who are unselfish, who move the ball, and play hard defense, I think we could be a real problem.
 
13th in the west whatever that win total will be.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
It seems like most people on this forum believe we can't win without Dame and will be tanking for several seasons, however I really feel they are selling the talent on this team short. When we drafted Dame we had a team with middling talent and obvious holes on the roster and of course the team fell short. However, just by adding Robin Lopez we were instantly able to become a 50 win team that made it to the second round. Scoot is projected to be one the best guards of this decade and even if he has an amazing season he would likely be the 4th best player on the team. Assuming we get some amount of assets in the Dame trade to fix the holes in our roster I could see us having Playoff success as soon as next season.
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we ain’t been good with dame, so ready for a change. Come on. We the Detroit lions and dame Barry fucking Sanders. Except Barry the greatest there ever was. And his team still sucked.
 
Depends who’s on the roster.

assuming

Scoot
Sharpe
Jovic
Martin
Simmons
Thybulle
Grant
Nas
Murray
Rupert
Another big
Another pg

30 if they move on from Chauncey, 25 if not.

Next year 35, then 40, then playoffs
 
The Blazers were 6-18 without Lillard in 2022-2023. Extrapolate it to 82 games and that's 27 wins.

But, Assume that the Blazers talent is actually a little higher, especially after the trade with the addition of Scoot, Murray and whatever happens after the trade, and I can see a 35 win season.

Last year, with Dame, the Blazers won 33 games.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
we ain’t been good with dame, so ready for a change. Come on. We the Detroit lions and dame Barry fucking Sanders. Except Barry the greatest there ever was. And his team still sucked.
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Yep, Sanders was cursed to be on the Lions......Took the joy out of playing the game so he retired.
 
Depending on the package for Dame i chose playin. I think Cronin wont make the deal without a decent pf/center coming back and that will help balance the roster. I really think Shae explodes this year and Scoot learns the reigns of the nba and by the trade deadline, Cronin will look to make tweaks to make a push into the playoffs.

Call me optimistic, a dreamer, but i believe.
 
andalusian said:
The Blazers were 6-18 without Lillard in 2022-2023. Extrapolate it to 82 games and that's 27 wins.

But, Assume that the Blazers talent is actually a little higher, especially after the trade with the addition of Scoot, Murray and whatever happens after the trade, and I can see a 35 win season.

Last year, with Dame, the Blazers won 33 games.
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That’s completely worthless though because we were actively throwing games.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That’s completely worthless though because we were actively throwing games.
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The 6-18? So you are saying we would be winning more games without Dame?

I agree that we were throwing games so probably would have won more with Dame playing more. I also think that we were throwing games without Dame - so would have won more without him since some of the games he missed he was not the only one missing.

I still think that the Blazers will likely be somewhere in the mid-30s without Dame, even if we don't know what we get for him, just by saying the talent is upgraded when the Blazers play without him next year vs previous one.

If the trade brings some good players and not just picks, might be able to fight for the play-in.
 
andalusian said:
The 6-18? So you are saying we would be winning more games without Dame?

I agree that we were throwing games so probably would have won more with Dame playing more. I also think that we were throwing games without Dame - so would have won more without him since some of the games he missed he was not the only one missing.

I still think that the Blazers will likely be somewhere in the mid-30s without Dame, even if we don't know what we get for him, just by saying the talent is upgraded when the Blazers play without him next year vs previous one.

If the trade brings some good players and not just picks, might be able to fight for the play-in.
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Yes I’m saying we would have won more if we weren’t sitting every talented player not named Lillard and playing the worst players down the stretch. Outside of Sharpe, we had everyone out. We even sat Sharpe once lol. But you’re still probably right that it will be in the 30s. It’s hard to say because we don’t know what the roster will look like in September.
 
"How many can we?" 98. / @KingSpeed

"...will we?" As stated upthread, gotta wait to see what comes back.

That said, there's some significant potential to surprise. I think our current core is at least as good as the UTH core last year that started off hot and then tan--cooled off. And that's without whatever we get back from Dame. A defending big or 2-way wing gets us significantly more ceiling.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
It seems like most people on this forum believe we can't win without Dame and will be tanking for several seasons, however I really feel they are selling the talent on this team short. When we drafted Dame we had a team with middling talent and obvious holes on the roster and of course the team fell short. However, just by adding Robin Lopez we were instantly able to become a 50 win team that made it to the second round. Scoot is projected to be one the best guards of this decade and even if he has an amazing season he would likely be the 4th best player on the team. Assuming we get some amount of assets in the Dame trade to fix the holes in our roster I could see us having Playoff success as soon as next season.
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I think they are selling this team’s talent severely short. Let’s say things are amicable between the FO and Dame and he lands in Miami with Herro landing in Brooklyn, Clowney + Jovic + Martin + 4 1sts and 2 pick swaps are a very decent haul. Martin can start at SF. Then we could send a 2nd or two for Capela.

Ant, Sharpe, Martin, Grant, Capela with Scoot, Kris, Clowney, Jovic, Badji off the bench is a team I can root for every night. I could root for them to make a miracle run through the play-in and maybe taking a game or two against a 1st or 2nd seed. I could also see this team not being good enough to win games even with effort, but I would still root for the effort.
 
After a 10-3 start, the Blazers finished 33-39 before Dame was shut down. That is a .458 winning percentage and comes to 37.5 wins over 82 games.

Take out the hot start, and the Blazers were 23-36 till Dame was shut down. That is a paltry .390 winning percentage and measly 32 wins over 82 games.

I doubt the Baby Blazers win 32 games, but that winning percentage with the players they did have was exactly why they ended up shutting Dame down and tanking.
 
TBpup said:
After a 10-3 start, the Blazers finished 33-39 before Dame was shut down. That is a .458 winning percentage and comes to 37.5 wins over 82 games.

Take out the hot start, and the Blazers were 23-36 till Dame was shut down. That is a paltry .390 winning percentage and measly 32 wins over 82 games.

I doubt the Baby Blazers win 32 games, but that winning percentage with the players they did have was exactly why they ended up shutting Dame down and tanking.
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What year are you talking about? We didn’t win 43 games last year. And we didn’t start 10-3.
 
Ant(18)/Scoot(30)/Wright
Sharpe(24)/Ant(16)/Thybulle(8)
Martin(30)/Sharpe(8)/Jovic(10)/Little
Grant(32)/Clowney(6)/Jovic(10)/Walker
Capela(26)/Clowney(12)/Badji(10)

This is a rotation I cooked up assuming the following:
1) we traded Dame and Nurk and got a return of Clowney, Jovic, Martin, expirings, and 4 1sts
2) we take on Wright’s expiring to have a vet presence at PG
3) we trade 1-2 2nds for Capela to just be a PnR partner for Ant and Scoot

The starting lineup is actually good enough on paper to compete for a play-in spot like OKC did. Hard to put a guess on wins due to so many of our guys being rookies and sophomores, but optimistically I think 35 wins seems reachable. I would be cautiously optimistic about the spacing on this team and having enough shooters to help Scoot develop early.

Around the deadline, one or both things could happen:
1) Ant is traded for the best package
2) Grant is traded for the best pacakge

In both scenarios, we would be getting a huge amount of expirings back. That, combined with a 2024 lotto pick, and a late 2024 1st conveying from MIA. This sets us up for a big summer 2025 (I don’t see anyone outside of OG worth giving big money to, and I’m not sure I’d give him $40m/year).

PG, AD, Ingram, those are some names in summer 2025.
 
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