Forum Game How much longer do you think Olshey deserves?

[GDiama]

I completely disagree with this notion. It doesn't make sense and like Judge Judy says, "if it doesn't make sense it's not true".

If posters in here knew who Nurk was and wanted him added to the team, it's safe to say that Olshey and the scouting staff knew too. C'mon.. People in here don't know more about prospective players than NBA scouts and GMs.

So how do you know more than the Nuggets GM?

 

[kjironman1]

They aren't making the playoffs. That's what's stupid about this deal.

That is tough to say. Milsap is a quality player and they were right there with the Blazers last year. Not only that but there are other teams that have gotten worse like the Clippers. If the Spurs get rid of Aldridge and lose both Parker and Ginobili they might be middle of the road. An injury or two in the conference and things can change drastically. Denver did get better as well as the T-Wolves. We don't really know what will happen with Boogie in New Orleans?

 

[TBpup]

There were people on this board that were clamoring for Nurk. If people on the board were clamoring for him, you don't think Olshey knew who he was and what he could do?

I don't buy that at all.

You would be surprised what some GMs think about certain players. Having had the opportunity to chat with a few in the caverns of arenas when no fans were around, they have opinions just like we do. They certainly have more information but believe me, none of them were as high on Giannis or Gobert like D69 was. Almost every GM to the last man thought Oden was better than Durant despite the injury concerns and his uneven gate. Most teams thought Draymond was too much of a 'tweener' and passed on him (some passed twice). Some GM thought Anthony Bennett was a #1 pick and that Darko was a better pick than Carmelo, Bosh, Wade etc.

They all have hits an misses but there are people/fans even on this board for a better eye for talent than many GMs I've met over the years.

 

[dviss1]

Given the Blazers dearth of qualified centers and Plumlee's impending free agency, they Blazers had to gamble on somebody. I'm not trying to say Nurkic was some colossal scrub, but he was having a very bad season and had been a massive disappointment in Denver. If he hadn't cratered his value with the Nuggets, there's no way they would have had to toss in a pick to sweeten the deal.

This is simply not true. Nurk got injured and Jokic played VERY well in his absence. Massive disappointment...

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

If I recall most of the people wanting to see Plumlee traded, said so because they didn't want to see the Blazers see yet another asset walk out the door with zero compensation. Olshey blowing his wad on Crabbe, Turner and MyLe made this an absolute necessity.

What did our defense look like with Plumlee? The haters are not giving Neil credit for getting Plumlee then selling high when our playoff chances were slim at the deadline.

I compare what Neil is doing to drawing to a flush in poker. While most wait to shove it all in after getting AA, he makes many low probability moves to get a flush. It takes more draws to hit the nuts, but I think he got his hand when he traded for Nurk.

 

[riverman]

I like stability in the front office, coaching staff and roster...when a franchise gets it right, you can sustain a high level of success....I constantly reshuffling the deck weakens a team....Knicks...4 GMs and 5 coaches since Melo signed there....wasted his talents on roster gamble after roster gamble just throwing money around...Nets did the same thing...overpay over the hill vets who used to be great

 

[kjironman1]

You would be surprised what some GMs think about certain players. Having had the opportunity to chat with a few in the caverns of arenas when no fans were around, they have opinions just like we do. They certainly have more information but believe me, none of them were as high on Giannis or Gobert like D69 was. Almost every GM to the last man thought Oden was better than Durant despite the injury concerns and his uneven gate. Most teams thought Draymond was too much of a 'tweener' and passed on him (some passed twice). Some GM thought Anthony Bennett was a #1 pick and that Darko was a better pick than Carmelo, Bosh, Wade etc.

They all have hits an misses there are people/fans even on this board for a better eye for talent than many GMs I've met over the years.

I really do believe this also. They are people also and they get gut feelings just like us on this board. I personally don't really like some players but those same players might be MVP worthy. Westbrook anyone?

 

[TBpup]

What did our defense look like with Plumlee? The haters are not giving Neil credit for getting Plumlee then selling high when our playoff chances were slim at the deadline.

I compare what Neil is doing to drawing to a flush in poker. While most wait to shove it all in after getting AA, he makes many low probability moves to get a flush. It takes more draws to hit the nuts, but I think he got his hand when he traded for Nurk.

@Charcoal Filtered ... See you at Ilani.

 

[Nikolokolus]

This is simply not true. Nurk got injured and Jokic played VERY well in his absence. Massive disappointment...

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/12/p...ver-nuggets-mason-plumlee-jusuf-nurkic-grades

Actually true: "[...]Nurkic (8 PPG, 5.8 RPG) isn’t the answer. The 22-year-old Bosnian seven-footer might be an Internet cult hero due to his fearsome physical presence, but he hasn’t been a positive difference-maker in his two-plus seasons in Denver. This year, his -10.3 net rating and 98.2 offensive rating were the worst marks among the Nuggets’ rotation players, and he rightfully lost his starting job in mid-December.[...]"

 

[kjironman1]

I like stability in the front office, coaching staff and roster...when a franchise gets it right, you can sustain a high level of success....I constantly reshuffling the deck weakens a team....Knicks...4 GMs and 5 coaches since Melo signed there....wasted his talents on roster gamble after roster gamble just throwing money around...Nets did the same thing...overpay over the hill vets who used to be great

No question there either. Stability breeds sustainability and success.

 

[dviss1]

You would be surprised what some GMs think about certain players. Having had the opportunity to chat with a few in the caverns of arenas when no fans were around, they have opinions just like we do. They certainly have more information but believe me, none of them were as high on Giannis or Gobert like D69 was. Almost every GM to the last man thought Oden was better than Durant despite the injury concerns and his uneven gate. Most teams thought Draymond was too much of a 'tweener' and passed on him (some passed twice). Some GM thought Anthony Bennett was a #1 pick and that Darko was a better pick than Carmelo, Bosh, Wade etc.

They all have hits an misses there are people/fans even on this board for a better eye for talent than many GMs I've met over the years.

I get all that. I'm just scoffing at the notion that Nurk was some throw in and that Olshey doesn't deserve credit. Those suggesting this are using conjecture.

 

[dviss1]

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/12/p...ver-nuggets-mason-plumlee-jusuf-nurkic-grades

Actually true: "[...]Nurkic (8 PPG, 5.8 RPG) isn’t the answer. The 22-year-old Bosnian seven-footer might be an Internet cult hero due to his fearsome physical presence, but he hasn’t been a positive difference-maker in his two-plus seasons in Denver. This year, his -10.3 net rating and 98.2 offensive rating were the worst marks among the Nuggets’ rotation players, and he rightfully lost his starting job in mid-December.[...]"

Did you really just quote a Ben Golliver piece....?

LAWL....

 

[riverman]

This is simply not true. Nurk got injured and Jokic played VERY well in his absence. Massive disappointment...

Several players have left Denver and mentioned that the locker room there is horrible...guys who are pay check players and don't really like each other much..Nurk is just now 22....at 21 he probably had an even shorter fuse....he basically has confidence that he will dominate and some coaches don't play the young guys minutes....Nurk was unhappy with his minutes and use. Now he's happy and so am I. I think people saying the Blazers are returning the same team don't see how much will change with healthy role players getting a training camp together...a healthy Ed Davis and Turner and Aminu with time to actually be on the court together will be an improvement....Meyers has been replaced by Collins unless he miraculously makes a leap and Swanigan will have Big Ed as a mentor...Big Ed is a very unselfish player who actually is a leader on this team for young bigs. We've replaced Meyers with Collins and Layman with Swanigan.....this is a deeper bench...Turner was just starting to get his feet wet with the new team when he went down with injury...Aminu played hurt and sat out...we didn't have a full compliment of players all season....and most of all....Nurk over Plumlee.......half a season last year Plumlee was our go to guy at the end of games....let's say it wasn't pretty

 

[Nikolokolus]

Did you really just quote a Ben Golliver piece....?

LAWL....

That was just a story that showed his Net rating and Offensive Rating . . . I don't need BG to tell me that they were both horrible.

 

[riverman]

You would be surprised what some GMs think about certain players. Having had the opportunity to chat with a few in the caverns of arenas when no fans were around, they have opinions just like we do. They certainly have more information but believe me, none of them were as high on Giannis or Gobert like D69 was. Almost every GM to the last man thought Oden was better than Durant despite the injury concerns and his uneven gate. Most teams thought Draymond was too much of a 'tweener' and passed on him (some passed twice). Some GM thought Anthony Bennett was a #1 pick and that Darko was a better pick than Carmelo, Bosh, Wade etc.

They all have hits an misses there are people/fans even on this board for a better eye for talent than many GMs I've met over the years.

excellent post

 

[HailBlazers]

Several players have left Denver and mentioned that the locker room there is horrible...guys who are pay check players and don't really like each other much..Nurk is just now 22....at 21 he probably had an even shorter fuse....he basically has confidence that he will dominate and some coaches don't play the young guys minutes....Nurk was unhappy with his minutes and use. Now he's happy and so am I. I think people saying the Blazers are returning the same team don't see how much will change with healthy role players getting a training camp together...a healthy Ed Davis and Turner and Aminu with time to actually be on the court together will be an improvement....Meyers has been replaced by Collins unless he miraculously makes a leap and Swanigan will have Big Ed as a mentor...Big Ed is a very unselfish player who actually is a leader on this team for young bigs. We've replaced Meyers with Collins and Layman with Swanigan.....this is a deeper bench...Turner was just starting to get his feet wet with the new team when he went down with injury...Aminu played hurt and sat out...we didn't have a full compliment of players all season....and most of all....Nurk over Plumlee.......half a season last year Plumlee was our go to guy at the end of games....let's say it wasn't pretty

Excellenter post.

 

[Denny Crane]

Given the Blazers dearth of qualified centers and Plumlee's impending free agency, they Blazers had to gamble on somebody. I'm not trying to say Nurkic was some colossal scrub, but he was having a very bad season and had been a massive disappointment in Denver. If he hadn't cratered his value with the Nuggets, there's no way they would have had to toss in a pick to sweeten the deal.

There were other C's available. Nerlen Noel is one guy I'd bet NO passed on. I'm pretty sure Jahill Okafor could be had, too.

I'm also pretty sure Nurk had the most positive effect on the team he was traded to.

 

[Minstrel]

I think Olshey wanted Nurkic, not just the draft pick. I don't think Olshey traded for Nurkic under the belief that Nurkic was a star/superstar. I think there's truth both to the idea that Olshey got lucky and that you make your own luck. Olshey smartly targeted a potentially undervalued player who might break out elsewhere. That Nurkic probably broke out even beyond Olshey's wildest dreams is even better.

 

[dviss1]

I think Olshey wanted Nurkic, not just the draft pick. I don't think Olshey traded for Nurkic under the belief that Nurkic was a star/superstar. I think there's truth both to the idea that Olshey got lucky and that you make your own luck. Olshey smartly targeted a potentially undervalued player who might break out elsewhere. That Nurkic probably broke out even beyond Olshey wildest dreams is even better.

And as we've seen with Rolo, Hark, ect he's pretty damned good at doing this.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

We have the worst Vegas odds to win the Northwest next year. The oddsmakers project us to finish last in the division.

 

[Minstrel]

And as we've seen with Rolo, Hark, ect he's pretty damned good at doing this.

I agree. I think he'd probably be most efficient "buying" those type of potential hidden gems, rather than high-dollar free agents, and breaking out the big bucks for players who actually star on the court for the Blazers. Plus, drafting. Portland should be buying picks whenever they can.

 

[Minstrel]

We have the worst Vegas odds to win the Northwest next year. The oddsmakers project us to finish last in the division.

Right now, the odds are probably being skewed by bettors excited by the moves other teams have made (which are substantial in some cases). I think the odds will be more interesting once all the rosters are settled (and Hayward has made his decision).

 

[TBpup]

We have the worst Vegas odds to win the Northwest next year. The oddsmakers project us to finish last in the division.

Behind Denver? Both teams were crap last year but I'll take what Nurkic adds to the Blazers over what Millsap brings to the Nugz. Now they might be factoring in the 'health' portion for Nurkic.

UTA - depends on if they keep Hayward
OKC - better than Portland last year and added George. I get it....but
MIN - Now that Thibs has some defensive oriented players, see how they all fit together. A complete dearth of outside shooting on that squad.
DEN - Millsap definitely fills a need and even though he's older, will mesh well there. Enough to pass Portland? Not sure of that.
POR - For having Dame/CJ, this team was 'turrble' before Nurk came. Does one player turn a season around that much...and can he stay healthy?

I can see how Portland isn't the 'sexy' pick since they did a whole lot of nothing this off-season. However, if there was a bet that Portland would NOT finish last in the Division, I'd be all over that.

Collins/Swanigan give this team something that was sorely lacking before Nurkic arrived.....attitude and toughness. Vonleh jumped on board a little as well as the Lieutenant enforcer and I'm anxious to see how that translates tot he rest of the team. They need to get off to a better start than they have the last two years. It's like they slept the first 2 months of the season 2 years in a row.

 

[tlongII]

I'm going to put some money on the Blazers making it to the WCF next season if I can find someone to take that bet.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I'm going to put some money on the Blazers making it to the WCF next season if I can find someone to take that bet.

Dude that's not a good bet to make lol

 

[MarAzul]

Why would people question Olshey value here instead of Stotts?

 

[tlongII]

Dude that's not a good bet to make lol

I think we have a good shot. If we're healthy we will be a force to reckon with. It all depends on health though.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm going to put some money on the Blazers making it to the WCF next season if I can find someone to take that bet.

Ok, What do you have in mind?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I think we have a good shot. If we're healthy we will be a force to reckon with. It all depends on health though.

I think I need to hit that blunt you're smoking

 

[tlongII]

Ok, What do you have in mind?

I'm talking about Vegas when I go Friday.