Forum Game How much longer do you think Olshey deserves?

[dviss1]

Yeah, but my recollection was that he was running the draft that year, as the GM-in-waiting. I could be mistaken, but that's why I remember him getting credit.

Honestly, I think Pritchard would be remembered as perhaps Portland's best GM had Oden been healthy. Oden/Roy/Aldridge/Batum would have been a homegrown powerhouse. Especially if he had been able to add Andre Miller to that, in this alternate reality.

But yeah, shit happens. Oden wasn't healthy and Pritchard didn't really do much good after that beyond signing Miller.

Fuck Pritchard.

That's the SAME MUTHAFUCKA who lied to us when he told us Oden's knees were "pristine"...

Then we offered a healthy package for PG and he punks his own team by swallowing Oladipo's contract.

He will reap what he sows...

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Fuck Pritchard.

That's the SAME MUTHAFUCKA who lied to us when he told us Oden's knees were "pristine"...

Then we offered a healthy package for PG and he punks his own team by swallowing Oladipo's contract.

He will reap what he sows...

@dviss1 He's reaping, believe me, he's reaping - Indy sucks.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Even Denver got Milsap.... Denver. Is this place like Norther Exposure or something?!

I'm pretty sure Denver is a bigger market with more money, and more diversity, than Portland.

 

[ripcityboy]

I'm pretty sure Denver is a bigger market with more money, and more diversity, than Portland.

Yes. Portland will never be the Gotham that Denver is.

 

[Denny Crane]

Right now, the odds are probably being skewed by bettors excited by the moves other teams have made (which are substantial in some cases). I think the odds will be more interesting once all the rosters are settled (and Hayward has made his decision).

The oddsmakers are sabrematricians of the highest order.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why bother if it ain't $100?

Don't bet @HCP. He won't pay!

 

[Denny Crane]

Jesus...

Al-farouq aminu is probably as black as you can get.

Just stop.

When honkicracker likes your post, you know it's a good one.

 

[dviss1]

When honkicracker likes your post, you know it's a good one.

I just love how he correctly changes the y to an i to make it one word.

Grammar is important!

 

[Denny Crane]

The only reason I say that is because in hindsight, Olshey has a much tougher time managing his cap now that he's going to have to re-sign Nurk next summer. I think one of the main reasons for spending the cap space last summer was so he'd have assets to move when he found a trade for a star who might eventually become available. He got his future star without having to move a high-priced asset.

When 3 guys (Dame, CJ, Nurk) make $90M combined, there isn't much cap space left for the rest of the roster. In the meantime, while Nurk isn't making his $MAX kind of money, we have players instead of unused cap/LT space.

 

[Denny Crane]

I just love how he correctly changes the y to an i to make it one word.

Grammar is important!

I see his name as a political "cartoon." No beef with his name at all.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The oddsmakers are sabrematricians of the highest order.

Yeah, but did they predict that Hayward would sign for 2^2 years for 2^7 mil?

 

[Denny Crane]

Yeah, but did they predict that Hayward would sign for 2^2 years for 2^7 mil?

haha

They can't adjust the odds after there's betting done on them.

But to say they're influenced by hype of player acquisitions isn't reality.

 

[Minstrel]

The oddsmakers are sabrematricians of the highest order.

Oddmakers don't make bets/predictions themselves--they move the odds to ensure equal money on both sides as best they can. They don't make their money by "beating" the betting public, they make their money off all the transaction fees. It's as risk-free profit as possible. Odds are driven by the gamblers themselves.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oddmakers don't make bets/predictions themselves--they move the odds to ensure equal money on both sides as best they can. They don't make their money by "beating" the betting public, they make their money off all the transaction fees. It's as risk-free profit as possible. Odds are driven by the gamblers themselves.

And?

 

[Minstrel]

And?

And the gamblers driving the odds are probably influenced by the splashy moves exactly as I said. You seemed to be confused, thinking that the oddsmakers were the ones trying to predict how the teams would do.

 

[Denny Crane]

And the gamblers driving the odds are probably influenced by the splashy moves exactly as I said. You seemed to be confused, thinking that the oddsmakers were the ones trying to predict how the teams would do.

The odds don't move that much. Gambler's aren't making stupid bets with real money. Unless they're making homer bets for the fun of it (like $10 on the Blazers to win the championship at high odds)

 

[Minstrel]

The odds don't move that much. Gambler's aren't making stupid bets with real money.

There's smart money and casual money. I think the casual money is pouring in right now. I think experienced gamblers would either try to get in on a team they expect to make some big moves before they happen (while they can get a good price) or else wait out all the moves (so they have some certainty in making their forecasts).

 

[Denny Crane]

There's smart money and casual money. I think the casual money is pouring in right now. I think experienced gamblers would either try to get in on a team they expect to make some big moves before they happen (while they can get a good price) or else wait out all the moves (so they have some certainty in making their forecasts).

Depends on the odds. Smart money will stay away from the Celtics (for example) if their moves don't give them a real shot at even beating the Cavs.

Homer bets are just that. The bettor doesn't care about the odds, they're sky high and it's an unlikely bet to win.

I wouldn't expect just casual money to be pouring in right now. In fact, people are likely to be waiting for the draft, then free agent signings and trades, before making an educated bet.

 

[e_blazer]

When 3 guys (Dame, CJ, Nurk) make $90M combined, there isn't much cap space left for the rest of the roster. In the meantime, while Nurk isn't making his $MAX kind of money, we have players instead of unused cap/LT space.

I agree that Olshey would have spent money last summer even if he knew he was going to sign Nurk, but probably not as much as he ended up spending. I suspect he would have signed Turner and re-signed Harkless. Matching on Crabbe would have made him think about how he was going to juggle the money when it comes time to re-sign Nurk, presumably at a max or near-max price tag. He probably could have picked up a serviceable 2G at a lot lower price tag. No way in hell he would have wasted money on Leonard if he knew Nurk was coming down the pike.

 

[Denny Crane]

I agree that Olshey would have spent money last summer even if he knew he was going to sign Nurk, but probably not as much as he ended up spending. I suspect he would have signed Turner and re-signed Harkless. Matching on Crabbe would have made him think about how he was going to juggle the money when it comes time to re-sign Nurk, presumably at a max or near-max price tag. He probably could have picked up a serviceable 2G at a lot lower price tag. No way in hell he would have wasted money on Leonard if he knew Nurk was coming down the pike.

You can't predict the future, so I don't expect he could either

Without 20-20 hindsight, Crabbe could have taken a big step forward from where he was (which was quite good already). Then what? I note he still can step up.

Turner is probably at his ceiling as a player, but he still improved a terrible bench, and in MY opinion would be an upgrade starting at SF.

Maybe he would have let Mo and Leonard walk. Along with the $7.7M he used on Ezeli (he spent money...) gets you Nurk's salary.

Starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Nurk, ET, and Vonleh. I could live with that.

Bench of Aminu, Davis, and scrubs. We saw how pathetically weak we were without Nurk in the playoffs. We'd be without Leonard.

We'd still be over the LT, just ~$30M lower in two years than if we stand pat.

Seriously, though, I don't think the plan was ever to stand pat every season.

 

[e_blazer]

You can't predict the future, so I don't expect he could either

Without 20-20 hindsight, Crabbe could have taken a big step forward from where he was (which was quite good already). Then what? I note he still can step up.

Turner is probably at his ceiling as a player, but he still improved a terrible bench, and in MY opinion would be an upgrade starting at SF.

Maybe he would have let Mo and Leonard walk. Along with the $7.7M he used on Ezeli (he spent money...) gets you Nurk's salary.

Starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Nurk, ET, and Vonleh. I could live with that.

Bench of Aminu, Davis, and scrubs. We saw how pathetically weak we were without Nurk in the playoffs. We'd be without Leonard.

We'd still be over the LT, just ~$30M lower in two years than if we stand pat.

Seriously, though, I don't think the plan was ever to stand pat every season.

I don't think the plan was to stand pat last season or any season. I get why Olshey did what he did last summer and don't have any objection to his reasoning in making the moves he did. I do know that he's going to have to get creative to find a way to re-sign Nurkic without putting the team into multi-year luxury tax hell. Dumping Meyers would be a help.

 

[Haakzilla]

D. ∞

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think the plan was to stand pat last season or any season. I get why Olshey did what he did last summer and don't have any objection to his reasoning in making the moves he did. I do know that he's going to have to get creative to find a way to re-sign Nurkic without putting the team into multi-year luxury tax hell. Dumping Meyers would be a help.

When you spend $90M out of $120M on 3 players, you have to get creative in a big way, to fill out the roster. About $3M/player for the rest, to fill 13.

 

[BrianFromWA]

When you spend $90M out of $120M on 3 players, you have to get creative in a big way, to fill out the roster. About $3M/player for the rest, to fill 13.

 

[Denny Crane]

Even Rookie Scale is greater than the $3M/player (average).

Some guys are going to have to be Vet Minimum/D-League types.

Unless we have a contender and old vets are willing to take the minimum to chase a ring with us.

 

[e_blazer]

Even Rookie Scale is greater than the $3M/player (average).

Some guys are going to have to be Vet Minimum/D-League types.

Unless we have a contender and old vets are willing to take the minimum to chase a ring with us.

Fortunately, Dame and CJ will "only" be at $54M combined in 2018. Assuming Nurkic starts at around $25M, that's "just" $79M.

 

[TBpup]

I like your posts a lot, but revisionist drafting is tiresome.
Freak couldn't play or shoot. Very few similar players make it into the league at all. Gobert had legendary measurements, but most Euro bigs have failed in the past. CJ was an awesome pick which NO nailed.

That may be true but D69 had Giannis rated Top-3 in that draft and Gobert Top-5 in his. He's been spot on so many times, I think the Blazers should hire him as a consultant.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yes. Portland will never be the Gotham that Denver is.

How many professional sports teams does Portland have? How many does Denver have?

 

[Schilly]

How many professional sports teams does Portland have? How many does Denver have?

Denver has a Metro Population of 2.8mil compared to Portland's 2.3mil.

 

[riverman]

Denver has a Metro Population of 2.8mil compared to Portland's 2.3mil.

I think the big difference is that Denver has no close competition with Wyoming, Nebraska, New Mexico, Nevada..used to be anyway...Portland has Seattle, San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento and Salt Lake City to thin the fanbase herd a bit more