How much more of this idiot Glass does this fan base have to put up with

[kreidertime]

He basically was brought here for two reasons. To protect the team which he can't do. To kill penalties which he sucks at. Our PK unit blows against the better teams. This reject needs to be sent to the minors.

 

[chuckd3534]

This guy was the main topic in the game thread last night, and everyone is on board. It is the one thing I get on AV about. To me he was directly responsible for the 3rd and 4th TB goals last night.

The guy is a -9 in 21 games playing 10 minutes a game. That is VERY difficult to do, and is a level of suckatood that is hard to reach.

Put it in perspective. Glass is a -9. No one else on the team is worse than a -4. And 2 of the 3 guys at -4 are Malone (off the team now) and Miller (played 3 games). Brassard is the 3rd guy, and he has been getting better, was a +2 last night, AND has 17 points in 21 games...on pace for 23 goals and 66 points.

+/- is not the end all be all, but when you play 10:15 a game on average yet somehow sit at -9 through 21 games (-5 worse than ANY OTHER PLAYER ON THE TEAM), it tells you something. And what it tells me is Glass is awful. 12th forward or not he is killing this team and destroying the 4th line by himself.

In today's NHL there really is very little fighting, so he doesn't add much there. I also VERY seriously doubt any team is saying oh boy we better be careful otherwise Glass will get us, so to me he adds zero intimidation. So I am left asking...what does this guy add? NOTHING IMO...but I do know how he kills us that's for sure.

Send him down and eat 600 K or so. Admit signing him was a total disaster and flat out an awful more (still can't understand why he was signed for 3 years). You can bury 800 K or so in the minors, so do it. Have 600 K or so dead on the cap and MOVE ON. The guy is awful and is killing the 4th line by himself.

 

[theProdigy223]

The argument for keeping Glass around is that if we send him down and activate Stempniak we'd have without a doubt the smallest and softest team in the NHL. It's true that Glass hasn't exactly been laying the wood on people or doing very much policing but at least the possibility is there (I guess).

The internal fix to the lack of size would be to recall Malone for the 4th, but in what's becoming a troubling pattern AV has decided he doesnt like Malone's game and we probably won't see him again. Miller could be an internal fix as well but he needs 8 more seasons in Hartford apparently. I really don't know how you can compare Miller and Glass and settle on Glass.

The external fix I still think is Chris Stewart. There was another article a few days ago that a lot of teams, including almost the whole East, have scouted him but havent been impressed enough to pay Buffalo's asking price of a pick and prospect. I say screw that. First, Buffalo is a black hole. Nobody on that team looks impressive outside of maybe Girgensons. Second, the closer we get to the deadline, somebody is going to pay it. Big, tough guys who can also skate and have expiring contracts are exactly what everyone looks for at the deadline. Kristo and a pick, Bodie and a pick, Fast and a pick, I dont care. We shouldnt be worried about overpaying because every game that goes by our window shuts a little bit more. I'm not saying Stewart is the savior, but he's available, fills a need, and I think can fit AV's system without being a liability. Google his fight with Lucic from a few weeks ago and tell me you wouldnt love him in a Ranger sweater.

 

[kreidertime]

Glass sucks on every level. It's an embarrassment.

I told the clowns at OTG and HF that the Rangers were probably going to have to play 3-4 rookies this year because of their cap space issues next year. They are already playing 2 on their third line. Miller should be on our 4th line which would give us 3 rookies in the lineup. Getting back to the finals was never an option. Team would be wise to banish Glass, bring up Miller to the 4th line, then trade Staal for the most they can get. Let Allen take his place.

 

[kreidertime]

I'm still all over making the following deal

O'Reilly

for

Hagelin
Miller
Staal
Glass(Has to be included)

Hate to give up Hagelin but he's another guy that will probably want too much as a RFA. The reality is that Hayes, Kreider, Buchnevich and Duclair will be fairly affordable for the next 3 to 5 years. They need centers to develop them.

 

[theProdigy223]

Well dump the Avs are certainly listening to O'Reilly offers right now, and they are rumored to be seeking blueline help, but thats a TON to give up. We would be deep down the middle, but very young and inexperienced on the wings. If we want O'Reilly I'd see if we can swing it without giving up Hags, hes a great playoff guy and vital to the PK which has already taken a huge hit substituting Boyle with Glass.

 

[kreidertime]

I also would love to trade a Fast, Glass and perhaps Hunwick and bring Korpikoski back to put on the 4th line and help our crappy PK unit.

 

[chuckd3534]

On the Glass size/intimidation thing I don't buy it. In theory I 100% get what you are saying Prod, but I just don't see him adding any intimidation. And he isn't a huge guy who adds a lot of size either. I just see zero positives with Glass. I actually didn't mind Malone on the 4th line, but AV isn't a fan so that is out. At this point I would try Miller and see how it goes. Play Stemp and Miller with Moore and see how it goes. Not a lot of size...sure, but in the short term give it a run.

I think a guy like Stewart would be a good target. Either him or someone like him. I have been saying for weeks the one thing I think we need is another top 9 forward. He would fit the bill. Add that top 9 forward and this team gets deeper and players play in their correct roles.

As for the SCF, I don't know why you'd say getting back to the finals was never an option dump. I am not saying we will get back. I know the East is better and deeper this season. I also know it is difficult to lose the SCF and get back the next season, but I won't simply dismiss it as no shot. In the NHL get into the playoffs and you have a punchers chance. With Hank in goal and a very good deep D we always have a chance.

This team has played ZERO games fully healthy...ZERO. That should come tomorrow or Saturday when McD returns. Let me see how a full team looks for a little while before writing them off. I am not writing off a season 21 games in, double so when we are in adecent spot right now AND we have been injured the whole season. Our # 1 C missed 12 games. Our # 1 dman and captain has missed at least 11 games. Boyle missed 14 games. That is a lot when you consider the season is 21 games old. Let me see how this team plays at full health and then I'll make a call on the full season.

 

[theProdigy223]

I also would love to trade a Fast, Glass and perhaps Hunwick and bring Korpikoski back to put on the 4th line and help our crappy PK unit.

ha, I was thinking about Korpedo the other day. He's actually playing on the first line right now with Vermette and Boedker. I know the Yotes are no offensive juggernaut but he's a hell of a lot better than Enver freakin Lisin. God that guy sucked, wish we could get a do-over on that one.

 

[kreidertime]

Sorry but next year, this is so much of a better team. Even without Hagelin and Staal

Duclair-Stepan-Nash
Buchnevich-Brassard-Zucc
Kreider-O'Reilly-Hayes
Korpikoski-Moore-Stempniak

Girardi-McDonagh
Skjei-Klein
Moore-Boyle

 

[theProdigy223]

On the Glass size/intimidation thing I don't buy it. In theory I 100% get what you are saying Prod, but I just don't see him adding any intimidation. And he isn't a huge guy who adds a lot of size either. I just see zero positives with Glass. I actually didn't mind Malone on the 4th line, but AV isn't a fan so that is out. At this point I would try Miller and see how it goes. Play Stemp and Miller with Moore and see how it goes. Not a lot of size...sure, but in the short term give it a run.

I think a guy like Stewart would be a good target. Either him or someone like him. I have been saying for weeks the one thing I think we need is another top 9 forward. He would fit the bill. Add that top 9 forward and this team gets deeper and players play in their correct roles.

As for the SCF, I don't know why you'd say getting back to the finals was never an option dump. I am not saying we will get back. I know the East is better and deeper this season. I also know it is difficult to lose the SCF and get back the next season, but I won't simply dismiss it as no shot. In the NHL get into the playoffs and you have a punchers chance. With Hank in goal and a very good deep D we always have a chance.

This team has played ZERO games fully healthy...ZERO. That should come tomorrow or Saturday when McD returns. Let me see how a full team looks for a little while before writing them off. I am not writing off a season 21 games in, double so when we are in adecent spot right now AND we have been injured the whole season. Our # 1 C missed 12 games. Our # 1 dman and captain has missed at least 11 games. Boyle missed 14 games. That is a lot when you consider the season is 21 games old. Let me see how this team plays at full health and then I'll make a call on the full season.

I dont buy it either chuck, I've been posting for about a month now that he needs to go. Just playing devil's advocate regarding what he allegedly brings to the team.

 

[chuckd3534]

My opinion is I don't see them bringing in a guy like O'Reilly with a 6 mill + cap hit. Stepan is already in line for a big raise, bring in O'R and you lock in Step getting over 6 mill as well.

We also need to keep in mind Staal's trade value won't be as big as it normally would be because he is a UFA this summer. Aside from the fact I don't see him staying out West in Colorado, that is a huge risk for them, and not sure they would do it. I've been on the deal Staal bandwagon since the end of last season, but I wonder what type of value he brings as a UFA. All I know is to me it makes ZERO sense for us to re-sign him for 6 mill a season considering the makeup of the team and the other UFA/RFA players we have.

 

[theProdigy223]

My opinion is I don't see them bringing in a guy like O'Reilly with a 6 mill + cap hit. Stepan is already in line for a big raise, bring in O'R and you lock in Step getting over 6 mill as well.

We also need to keep in mind Staal's trade value won't be as big as it normally would be because he is a UFA this summer. Aside from the fact I don't see him staying out West in Colorado, that is a huge risk for them, and not sure they would do it. I've been on the deal Staal bandwagon since the end of last season, but I wonder what type of value he brings as a UFA. All I know is to me it makes ZERO sense for us to re-sign him for 6 mill a season considering the makeup of the team and the other UFA/RFA players we have.

I seem to be in the clear minority now but I still give Staal a Girardi deal (no more) and trade Klein instead. Staal has not been good but he has a proven track record and I think will turn it around. Klein has been awesome, no denying that, but I don't like his 3m per on the third pair which is where he should be penciled in on a good team. At some point he will come back to earth, he isnt going to score 15 goals this year. Use Allen on the third pair. and save 2m.

We'll see. Heading out for the day, have a great holiday everyone.

 

[Ranger71]

They should try and turn Staal and a few prospects into Tlusty and Harrison. Or go after one of the solid UFAs on a bottom feeder. Foligno, Stewart, Glencross, Perron, Fleischmann etc..

 

[chuckd3534]

I seem to be in the clear minority now but I still give Staal a Girardi deal (no more) and trade Klein instead. Staal has not been good but he has a proven track record and I think will turn it around. Klein has been awesome, no denying that, but I don't like his 3m per on the third pair which is where he should be penciled in on a good team. At some point he will come back to earth, he isnt going to score 15 goals this year. Use Allen on the third pair. and save 2m.

We'll see. Heading out for the day, have a great holiday everyone.

I just don't see re-siging Staal for 5.5/6 mill a year as a good move for us. Klein is not Staal, but he can be a # 4 dman IMO. And after Staal's new deal he'll be 2.7 to 3 mill per season cheaper than Staal. To me the difference in their play is not 2.7 mill at least. Staal is not double the player Klein is I don't think.

The other thing people need to understand about the cap is you can't have all these players making over 5 mill per. Even if you feel you can fit these guys in money wise, too many big deals for solid not great players kills your depth. With Girardi locked in long term. McD locked in long term. Klein locked in at a solid 2.9 for a few years. Boyle around next season. Moore doubtful to go anywhere. I just don't see the need for another big ticket item on D in Staal who is not great, but very good...a 2nd pair dman I'd say....most likely a # 3. I rather have Klein for 1/2 the price, or close to it.

We do need another forward though, so that would be my focus. If Staal walks this summer I can live with that if I can't get value back now and we are still right there at the trade DL...which I fully expect.

Intelligent people can disagree on this though, and none of us can see the future, so who knows...maybe bringing Staal back is the right move. I don't think so, but who knows really.

You have a great Holiday as well buddy.

 

[chuckd3534]

Let's keep it simple. Go deal for a top 9 forward on a bad team and plug him in. Then let the fully healthy team play some games with the top 9 forward added and see how it goes. To me it is that simple, and what I would do if I was Sather/AV.

That and get Glass off the team NOW.

 

[kreidertime]

O'Reilly is a top defensive center. Let's face it. Sather isn't as dumb as he used to be. He knows right now this team doesn't matchup up with Tampa. Doesn't have the centers to matchup with the Islanders until they screw their team up again. I wasn't for O'Reilly last year. Now I'm all in on this guy. Especially with the young wings here. O'Reilly is capable of putting up 60 points also. To me, if this guy is out there Sather has to make a heck of an offer to acquire him.

It might take Hagelin, Miller, Staal, Glass and a promising prospect like Graves to get him. Still a win IMO. Has to be done. One thing the Rangers do well is sign and draft defenseman. They can find replacements.

 

[panzerporter]

I think the team significantly improves by putting Miller in for Glass. I thought Glass would add grit that last year's Ranger team lacked but like so many other free agents brought in to be physical Glass has been a disappointment. An occasional hard check but not enough, I do wonder if part of it is AV not believing in old school hockey's place in today's game. That was the knock on him after he left the Canucks.

This Rangers team needs one more established veteran. Glen has plenty of viable pieces to make a trade. I can't see keeping Staal for what he wants, UFA or not a team that needs to bolster their defense could use Staal. Hagelin is another guy I can't see giving a pay raise. He has terrific speed and... that's it. Far from a prolific scorer (104 points in 205 career games and 18 in his last 37 postseason games). He should create a lot more offensively with his speed but doesn't, helps on special times but I don't think the Rangers are doomed without him. So Glen has two viable pieces for a team looking to make a deal for this year not the future. I don't see Glass being added in a trade, he's been utterly useless this year.

 

[chuckd3534]

Here's the thing though, if we were to trade Staal and/or Hags we need to get something back that will help us NOW. This is not a down the road play for next year team. The MSL/Cally deal worked because MSL wanted out and only wanted to be here. To find that match for Staal/Hags won't be as easy. Can be done, but won't be easy...especially with Staal a UFA and Hags an RFA this summer.

Again, I really think we should just look to deal a prospect and maybe a pick for a good solid top 9 forward to round out the 3rd line. I think we are all over thinking this and acting as if we have all these issues that need to be fixed. We have a great goalie. We have a very good D, and our best guy will be back by Saturday worst case. Add a solid legit top 9 forward and be done with it. Then we'll be fine I think.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

I seem to be in the clear minority now but I still give Staal a Girardi deal (no more) and trade Klein instead. Staal has not been good but he has a proven track record and I think will turn it around. Klein has been awesome, no denying that, but I don't like his 3m per on the third pair which is where he should be penciled in on a good team. At some point he will come back to earth, he isnt going to score 15 goals this year. Use Allen on the third pair. and save 2m.

We'll see. Heading out for the day, have a great holiday everyone.

100% disagree, klein has played 2x better than staal and his 3m salary is going to be half what staal is going to want. Staal has not progressed at all i doubt he will get back to his former self no way should he get a raise. Keep klein, move staal and package him with one of the smurfs to bring in a third line center. Im comfortable with mac and danny g, klein and boyle and moore and allen.

 

[theProdigy223]

I look at the way the D will be without Staal and it worried me. Do you pair Klein and Boyle? Boyle is one of the smallest dmen in the league and Klein is below average himself, they'll get mauled by bigger teams come playoff time. Not to mention theyre both right shots. So do we split them up and maybe play Klein with McDonagh? Now all of a sudden a guy who we've all said is ideally a third pair guy is on your top pair.

The way the team is set up losing Staal leaves a much bigger hole than losing Klein. Staal has played against top lines almost his whole career until last season. Klein never has. If we can get a top 4 Dman back for Staal that's another story but I don't see how Sather can swing that.

 

[chuckd3534]

I'm with you Al. The question that needs to be asked is this...is Staal twice the player Klein is? And I say no way. He will make double what Klein makes, 5.8 per, or very close to it and when I look at it in that context I rather have Klein. Double so for less years, a cap hit that is more user friendly so to speak, and without a NMC which Staal would get for sure.

Not sure we will have both here given the cap, so if I were to pick one it would be Klein at half the price for sure.

 

[theProdigy223]

If we go into the playoffs with Boyle and Klein as top 4 guys replacing Stralman and Staal from last year I feel confident that we'll be bullied into an early exit.

 

[chuckd3534]

I look at the way the D will be without Staal and it worried me. Do you pair Klein and Boyle? Boyle is one of the smallest dmen in the league and Klein is below average himself, they'll get mauled by bigger teams come playoff time. Not to mention theyre both right shots. So do we split them up and maybe play Klein with McDonagh? Now all of a sudden a guy who we've all said is ideally a third pair guy is on your top pair.

The way the team is set up losing Staal leaves a much bigger hole than losing Klein. Staal has played against top lines almost his whole career until last season. Klein never has. If we can get a top 4 Dman back for Staal that's another story but I don't see how Sather can swing that.

For the record I am NOT in favor of doing anything during this season, assuming we are in it at the trade DL. I would let it happen this summer. Flip his rights for a pick or let Staal walk. The points you make are vaild, but I can shape the D better for next season during the summer, and that is when I let Staal go not mid-season UNLESS I can get a good dman back to fill Staal's role.

 

[chuckd3534]

If we go into the playoffs with Boyle and Klein as top 4 guys replacing Stralman and Staal from last year I feel confident that we'll be bullied into an early exit.

And I am with you, not on the Stralman part but the Staal part, and that is why I wait until AFTER the season. I don't dump Staal now just to do it. We agree.

 

[theProdigy223]

For the record I am NOT in favor of doing anything during this season, assuming we are in it at the trade DL. I would let it happen this summer. Flip his rights for a pick or let Staal walk. The points you make are vaild, but I can shape the D better for next season during the summer, and that is when I let Staal go not mid-season UNLESS I can get a good dman back to fill Staal's role.

In an ideal world yes but that is not the way Sather operates anymore. Staal is either resigned or traded by the time the playoffs are here.

 

[theProdigy223]

And I am with you, not on the Stralman part but the Staal part, and that is why I wait until AFTER the season. I don't dump Staal now just to do it. We agree.

I was no Stralman fan at all, and I was in favor of getting Boyle over him, but we did take a slight step back defensively and size -wise when we made that move and that's why I think it's important to keep Staal.

 

[chuckd3534]

I don't see anyway Sather deals Staal and hurts the team now if we are in it at the trade DL...I just don't. The Cally deal worked out because MSL was sitting there for us. I believe that if no deal is there for Staal he will hold on him and see what the off-season brings. To me Staal is different than Girardi and Cally. We are more set on D longer term. I don't think Staal has the same value Girardi did in a trade last season, so I don't see the trade threat being the same as it was with DG.

On top of that we are in a different spot now. We have some guys locked up on D now. McD, Boyle for 1 more season, Girardi, Klein for a few more. That wasn't the case last season and our D was way more of a crapshoot with DG, AS, McD all unsigned after the season.

So to me things are different. I think even if we just let Staal walk, or deal his rights for a mid-pick we still gain by having the cap space. So this is different that last season IMO.

Unless we can get a good dman back I would let it ride with Staal and deal with it in the summer.

 

[panzerporter]

I disagree. Staal does very little for this team physically, he's tall but light & weak. Callahan literally threw him out of the way to score earlier. Staal's technique now is the one-handed off-balance stick check and dropping to the knee to block passes or shots rather than taking the body. His new wrinkle this year is to turn away when he goes down to block which I guess is understandable given his injury but it just makes him more ineffective. I was down on Klein to start the year and wanted him traded but he's played his ass off and has been more physical than Staal. Staal does get a lot of ice time but honestly doesn't seem to have improved his offensive game at all.