How much will Shabazz get?

[Scalma]

So does ET, but somehow in Stott's system.... they end up taking more.
TJ is 10-55 this year, ET is 10-45.........

That’s not a lot.

Warren is a legit multidimensional scorer. Pick and rolls, post ups, cutter, runner. He scores in every way. Turner..has a midrange fadeaway. You can space the court without having a three point shot. Nobody would sag off Warren like they do Turner. Warren shoots near 50% inside the arc. Turner is closer to 40%. One is efficient. One is not.

 

[Sarni]

TJ Warren was 40% from three two seasons ago on 1.5 attempts a game (similar to what he is recording now) so although he was not really taking them, he was scoring at a better rate.

He can get to the rim and has a good mid range. I think he would be good here but it makes no sense for Phoenix to trade for Shabazz now. They could get him for nothing in the Summer, and they do not need him this season because they are clearly not going for the playoffs - they actually want to lose games to get Sexton or Young.

 

[Scalma]

TJ Warren was 40% from three two seasons ago on 1.5 attempts a game (similar to what he is recording now) so although he was not really taking them, he was scoring at a better rate.

He can get to the rim and has a good mid range. I think he would be good here but it makes no sense for Phoenix to trade for Shabazz now. They could get him for nothing in the Summer, and they do not need him this season because they are clearly not going for the playoffs - they actually want to lose games to get Sexton or Young.

Shabazz is a restricted free agent, so they’d have to bank on portland not matching, meaning they’d probably have to overpay.

If someone wants Napier, trading for him is the best route. Gives the team full control.

 

[Sarni]

Shabazz is a restricted free agent, so they’d have to bank on portland not matching, meaning they’d probably have to overpay.

If someone wants Napier, trading for him is the best route. Gives the team full control.

They will have loads of cap space and nobody to spend it on for a while as they will not be a popular free agent destination for a while.

I don't think Napier has great value to teams that don't want to do something this season because you never know how much he is going to get in the Summer from other teams and you may not keep him. He's also not so much use to contending teams IMO as he is more of a scorer and most of them have those already. I think the best destination for him are teams who will be on the verge of making playoffs, will want to get there and need a guard who can shoot. That is why I would narrow down the list of destinations to Sixers, Knicks, Jazz, Bucks, Pelicans and Nuggets.

 

[BrunoSOC]

Shabazz is our perfect backup point guard. We dont need to trade him we need to trade ET.

 

[Blazinaway]

Shabazz is our perfect backup point guard. We dont need to trade him we need to trade ET.

It is not "need" so much as it is who we "can" trade and why? It's likely if Shabazz gets 7 mil per or so we would not match that because of our capspace situation. So unless we move CJ to clear some space or trade ET (cost likely is a 1st rdr) will likely look to move guys who won't be coming back - Ed Davis and Bazz are both possibilities.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It is not "need" so much as it is who we "can" trade and why? It's likely if Shabazz gets 7 mil per or so we would not match that because of our capspace situation. So unless we move CJ to clear some space or trade ET (cost likely is a 1st rdr) will likely look to move guys who won't be coming back - Ed Davis and Bazz are both possibilities.

What makes you think we wouldn't match 7M/yr? That's peanuts in today's NBA.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I would keep Shabazz up to somewhere in the 9 MIL a year average. So unless he hits the 10 mark I try to hold on to him. It would hurt but he is worth it.

ET needs to be moved at some point. Even more than Leonard imo. If that could done at the deadline I would feel better about our financial situation for next year. If we could move both then I would feel better about being able to keep Vonleh as well. Of course I know salary is coming back but hopefully not quite as much and for quite as long.

 

[Blazinaway]

I would keep Shabazz up to somewhere in the 9 MIL a year average. So unless he hits the 10 mark I try to hold on to him. It would hurt but he is worth it.

ET needs to be moved at some point. Even more than Leonard imo. If that could done at the deadline I would feel better about our financial situation for next year. If we could move both then I would feel better about being able to keep Vonleh as well. Of course I know salary is coming back but hopefully not quite as much and for quite as long.

we simply cannot pay a backup PG 9 mil per, not with the previous overpays and on a treadmill team likely fighting for a 7/8 playoff spot, and when we have to pay Nurk. You have to be realistic on what we can/can't do. The only way around this is if we sacrifice a 1st rdr to move ET/Meyers, and on a team devoid of talent sacrificing 1st is not something I'd want to see happen. IMO moving CJ is becoming more and more possible.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

we simply cannot pay a backup PG 9 mil per, not with the previous overpays and on a treadmill team likely fighting for a 7/8 playoff spot, and when we have to pay Nurk. You have to be realistic on what we can/can't do. The only way around this is if we sacrifice a 1st rdr to move ET/Meyers, and on a team devoid of talent sacrificing 1st is not something I'd want to see happen. IMO moving CJ is becoming more and more possible.

I would move CJ in the right deal. There are certainly avenues for Shabazz to start or play heavy minutes provided we move some combination of ET and/or CJ. But 9 MIL isn't outrageous. We are paying 10 for Leonard who isn't close to starting. We do need to fix past mistakes (via trades if possible) but paying Shabazz isn't a new mistake imo. I don't think Shabbaz reaches 9 MIL by the way just that is the highest I would go.

 

[Orion Bailey]

we simply cannot pay a backup PG 9 mil per, not with the previous overpays and on a treadmill team likely fighting for a 7/8 playoff spot, and when we have to pay Nurk. You have to be realistic on what we can/can't do. The only way around this is if we sacrifice a 1st rdr to move ET/Meyers, and on a team devoid of talent sacrificing 1st is not something I'd want to see happen. IMO moving CJ is becoming more and more possible.

Isn’t that pretty much what he said? Second paragraph says we NEED to move et at some point...

 

[Scalma]

The thing about Shabazz is hes one of our few valuable trade chips. I think everyone would love for him to stay, but he is a luxury that we most likely can’t afford. If we were a better team you’d find a way to keep him, but this roster still needs work.

Teams that could use Napier and who I’d be interested in;

Denver- Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez, Will Barton

Detroit- Stanley Johnson

Minnesota- Giorgui Dieng

New Orleans- Darius Miller, Cheick Diallo

New York- Courtney Lee, Kyle O’Quinn, Wily Hernangomez

Phoenix- TJ Warren, Tyson Chandler

Utah- Dante Exum

It’d be funny if we did a deal with Denver again. Connolly and Olshey have a good relationship, and I don’t think the Nurkic trade will discourage anything in the future. I mean shit, in hindsight we got hosed on the Afflalo deal and that didn’t stop Olshey from double dipping. Beasley would be a perfect flyer for Portland and Napier would give Denver an actual point guard. Murray is more of an undersized two, similar to CJ. Mudiay is whatever.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Patty Mills got 4/50 last summer.
Rubio got 4/55
Jeremy Lin's getting 12M/yr
Delly D is getting 9.6M/yr
Clarkson 11.5M/yr
Bayless 9M/yr
DJ Augustin 7.25M/yr
Langston Galloway 6.7M/yr

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/point-guard/

Personally, I wouldn't use Meyers, ET (or any other 2016 summer signee, for that matter) as a benchmark for "if Player X is getting that much, Player Y HAS to be a good deal at Y!" chatter. Look at the list above, and depending on how you feel, he's probably easily with the 7-11M mark, and IMO trending toward the higher end, based on the way he's playing. A PG entering his prime, that can go 50/40/80 (*note, he's shooting 46% right now from 3), carries a 2:1 A/TO and has 50% more steals than TOs? And you'd rather have Jeremy Lin at 12M instead of him?

 

[Orion Bailey]

The thing about Shabazz is hes one of our few valuable trade chips. I think everyone would love for him to stay, but he is a luxury that we most likely can’t afford. If we were a better team you’d find a way to keep him, but this roster still needs work.

Teams that could use Napier and who I’d be interested in;

Denver- Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez, Will Barton

Detroit- Stanley Johnson

Minnesota- Giorgui Dieng

New Orleans- Darius Miller, Cheick Diallo

New York- Courtney Lee, Kyle O’Quinn, Wily Hernangomez

Phoenix- TJ Warren, Tyson Chandler

Utah- Dante Exum

It’d be funny if we did a deal with Denver again. Connolly and Olshey have a good relationship, and I don’t think the Nurkic trade will discourage anything in the future. Beasley would be a perfect flyer for Portland and Napier would give Denver an actual point guard. Murray is more of an undersized two, similar to CJ. Mudiay is whatever.

But is not Napier exactly what we need in a backup of?

Why not address a position where our ceiling is limited? Like sf?
Meyers needs to go. Ed is a fine backup and seems to be playing well with Collins at the four. When Collins takes over he starting four, which looks like it’s only a matter of time, we need to figure out if swannigan/vonleh are good enough backups. And make moves with them before Napier.

Napier is solid and proven at this point. Turner is too inconsistent and im of the belief that he now needs to go. I think harkless will be best coming off the bench.
A solid three and D wing starter is what this team needs most still in my eyes. Don’t make a lateral move by getting rid of the much needed solid backup pg, for that sf unless he is elite.

 

[Scalma]

Napier and Layman for Malik Beasley and Hernangomez let’s goooo

 

[Scalma]

But is not Napier exactly what we need in a backup of?

Why not address a position where our ceiling is limited? Like sf?
Meyers needs to go. Ed is a fine backup and seems to be playing well with Collins at the four. When Collins takes over he starting four, which looks like it’s only a matter of time, we need to figure out if swannigan/vonleh are good enough backups. And make moves with them before Napier.

Napier is solid and proven at this point. Turner is too inconsistent and im of the belief that he now needs to go. I think harkless will be best coming off the bench.
A solid three and D wing starter is what this team needs most still in my eyes. Don’t make a lateral move by getting rid of the much needed solid backup pg, for that sf unless he is elite.

Yes Napier is a perfect backup point, but he’s not going to (or shouldn’t) be paid like a backup, and when you have Dame and CJ, that’s money better spent elsewhere imo. Of course I’d rather trade Turner but that’s going to be more difficult.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes Napier is a perfect backup point, but he’s not going to (or shouldn’t) be paid like a backup, and when you have Dame and CJ, that’s money better spent elsewhere imo. Of course I’d rather trade Turner but that’s going to be more difficult.

Who ever said it was easy to win in the Nba?
I’ve been of the belief living my life, taking the easy road rarely gets you ahead.
Difficult? Sure but it is the optimal thing to do if we want to win.
Does NO have a hard job ahead of him? Sure.
But why settle for less?

 

[Scalma]

Who ever said it was easy to win in the Nba?
I’ve been of the belief living my life, taking the easy road rarely gets you ahead.
Difficult? Sure but it is the optimal thing to do if we want to win.
Does NO have a hard job ahead of him? Sure.
But why settle for less?

But why would you go the difficult route when you could go the more valuable route? We can get more for Napier. We’re not a contender whether he’s on the team or not. Get the most you can for him and get closer to balancing out this roster without necessarily taking another shitty contract back.

 

[Orion Bailey]

But why would you go the difficult route when you could go the more valuable route? We can get more for Napier. We’re not a contender whether he’s on the team or not. Get the most you can for him and get closer to balancing out this roster without necessarily taking another shitty contract back.

You don’t know that. You don’t know what going fhe other, more difficult route will provide. You don’t know if we can’t move Turner, Meyers, picks and possibly vonleh/swannigan for a solid three and d wing. We do that and the money is there to keep Napier and we address a bigger need.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

As good as Napier has been I don't see teams lining up to deal for him at the deadline this year. I don't see where he is as good of a trade chip as others are thinking. I not saying he is a bad one. I just think in this case he is better off staying (we need him badly) then going (unless you get a kings-ransom for him and I just don't see that).

 

[riverman]

We always get excited about undersized bench pt guards it seems...Brian Roberts, Tim Frazier and now Bazz.....Bazz is the best of the 3 to me but he's not going to start somewhere and become the next Isiah Thomas in my view. He's a smart player and great backup for us....I'd keep him as our backup if possible

 

[Scalma]

We always get excited about undersized bench pt guards it seems...Brian Roberts, Tim Frazier and now Bazz.....Bazz is the best of the 3 to me but he's not going to start somewhere and become the next Isiah Thomas in my view. He's a smart player and great backup for us....I'd keep him as our backup if possible

Why couldn’t he start? I listed six teams he would start on imo.

What are his weaknesses? He can shoot. He’s quick. He can create for himself and others. He defends. He’s smart. Doesn’t turn the ball over. I mean seriously, what is he lacking? Ok he’s not the tallest but he’s still 6’1 and his defensive tenacity and intelligence makes up for it. Frazier and Roberts aren’t in his zip code and I personally was never a fan of either one.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Why couldn’t he start? I listed six teams he would start on imo.

What are his weaknesses? He can shoot. He’s quick. He can create for himself and others. He defends. He’s smart. Doesn’t turn the ball over. I mean seriously, what is he lacking? Ok he’s not the tallest but he’s still 6’1 and his defensive tenacity and intelligence makes up for it. Frazier and Roberts aren’t in his zip code and I personally was never a fan of either one.

Thanks for listing pretty much all of the reasons we need to keep him. Our last few have not been near as good. Pretty obvious to me as to why we shouldn’t let him go easily like the past few.
You just listed the reasons...

 

[Scalma]

Thanks for listing pretty much all of the reasons we need to keep him. Our last few have not been near as good. Pretty obvious to me as to why we shouldn’t let him go easily like the past few.
You just listed the reasons...

Cool. We have a backup point guard making 10m. Who are we sacrificing to pay him? Noah? How do we get a small forward or someone that can shoot?

 

[riverman]

What are his weaknesses?

I like him....as my post stated...undersized...not just height...strength...he has skills and like I said...great backup...I think he's a keeper but I don't think he'll be a starter in a league filled with point guards.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Cool. We have a backup point guard making 10m. Who are we sacrificing to pay him? Noah? How do we get a small forward or someone that can shoot?

Didn’t you already agree Turner needs to go?
As does Meyers and possibly harkless.
Pattyc is turning into a good sg/sf combo off the bench.

If Collins is the future at the four, which I think he is, then we need to decide on swannigan/ Noah and one of them goes.
No one is saying there aren’t moves needing to be made. I’m saying moving Napier is not a necessity unless you strike gold on the return. Otherwise his value is more on this team at 8-10 per as our 3rd guard. Moves need to be made elswwhre to balance the budget/roster

 

[Scalma]

Didn’t you already agree Turner needs to go?
As does Meyers and possibly harkless.
Pattyc is turning into a good sg/sf combo off the bench.

If Collins is the future at the four, which I think he is, then we need to decide on swannigan/ Noah and one of them goes.
No one is saying there aren’t moves needing to be made. I’m saying moving Napier is not a necessity unless you strike gold on the return. Otherwise his value is more on this team at 8-10 per as our 3rd guard. Moves need to be made elswwhre to balance the budget/roster

Of course Turner needs to go, but I struggled to find one team (MIN) that’d be interested in him. We’re not getting anything of value in return. May as well keep him, he’s still a really good (albeit extremely overpriced) defender.

Napier has more value to us as a trade piece than as the backup point guard.

One thing this coaching staff has shown is that they can develop guards. I’d love to see what Vanterpool could do with Baldwin.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

To me, it's not about Bazz leaving or staying, it's about getting a high caliber starting SF and/or getting below the tax threshold. I'd certainly be willing to part with Bazz to do those things, otherwise offer him a reasonable deal and continue to look for an SF.

Yes, I too consider Collins the PFotF.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Of course Turner needs to go, but I struggled to find one team (MIN) that’d be interested in him. We’re not getting anything of value in return. May as well keep him, he’s still a really good (albeit extremely overpriced) defender.

Napier has more value to us as a trade piece than as the backup point guard.

One thing this coaching staff has shown is that they can develop guards. I’d love to see what Vanterpool could do with Baldwin.

There was more to my post than the first sentence...

 

[Scalma]

There was more to my post than the first sentence...

And I answered it by saying Napier has more value as a trade piece than a backup.

I don’t know what Vonleh/Swanigan have to do with anything. I don’t see either one leaving. Swanigan is on a rookie scale contract. Vonleh will get his playing time back once Davis gets traded, which to me is just a matter of time. Unless of course we find a taker for Meyers.