How much will Shabazz get?

[riverman]

And I know when someone is talking just to talk. Good day.

I'm talking about the subject....you're talking about me....and I am having a good day....it's fine to disagree...not fine to judge a person's ability to form a view though

 

[Scalma]

I'm talking about the subject....you're talking about me....and I am having a good day....it's fine to disagree...not fine to judge a person's ability to form a view though

I’m talking about you? What?

You’re talking about the subject? What part of accusing me of baiting you is part of the subject? I was honestly trying to understand what the hell you were talking about. “Needing roster spots to pull it off.” I still don’t know what that means. Maybe you’ll answer this time.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Nurk for Plumlee wasn't a cost-cutting move, it was an asset recoupment move. Plumlee
a) wasn't going to get paid 14M a year by us last summer, and therefore was going to walk away with nothing in return to the Blazers. Even if Nurkic would've been the second coming of Federico Kammerichs, NO still received a 1st rounder for a player that was not going to be on the roster on July 7
b) by getting a player in his 3rd year instead of his 4th, he got an asset that allowed him another year of analysis on whether he wanted to fork over 15M or so to a center. He didn't do that this summer, he didn't do that in the option window, and he's getting a front-row look at Nurk every night
c) if Nurk is the right player to help get us over the bump into "contention" status (top 3 or 4 in the West), I agree that PA won't worry about some tax dollars. If he isn't the right player at the right price point, NO has shown that he'll get rid of him (see: Crabbe, Allen)

I'm not saying there haven't been cost-cutting moves (which I would call "being smart" and "delaying the repeater status another year if possible"--again, "being smart"), but I don't think this is the Jeffrey Luria Florida Marlins or the Sterling Clippers or anything.

 

[BrianFromWA]

And to the OP, if Shabazz (or any of the other FAs-to-be, for that matter) isn't the right player at the right projected price point, they may be gone as well. As a fan, I sure hope they're looking at deals. As stated ad nauseum, one of the primary reasons that we have ET, Meyers, Mo and (used to have) Crabbe at waaay-over-value deals is because we didn't have a stockpile of rookie-contract players at the 6-12 spots. If Baldwin (or any other PG we can pick up for "Cash Considerations" like we did with Shabazz or a top-55-protected pick like Mo) can approximate the value that the team needs from a guy about to make 10M a year for one making 800k, that's just good business. GSW didn't become GSW by spending profligately. Their core and backups were on below-value deals, which allowed them to get Iggy originally (and keep him on a below-value deal later) and famously get Durant. While we may have had the flexibility to get Melo or PG this summer with our current roster, we all can see that HOU couldn't.

 

[tester551]

He's in rebuilding mode....if he was in win now mode, it wouldn't be an issue...moving Crabbe had more to do with lack of production from Crabbe than money...if Crabbe was a true 2 way option, he'd probably be starting for the Blazers this season...addition by subtraction...moving Crabbe opened the door to go after Paul George and Melo...didn't pan out but they took a shot at it

Crabbe trade happened AFTER the George & Melo trades. You can't claim they moved him to be able to go after either of them....

 

[riverman]

Crabbe trade happened AFTER the George & Melo trades. You can't claim they moved him to be able to go after either of them....

I'm not claiming anything of the sort...I'm citing the process this last season and offseason...they tried to improve the team...I said they shuffled the deck and with all the guys under contract, needed to open up roster spots to upgrade....also signed two two way rookies to friendly deals...Crabbe was moved as I said due to his disappointing production last season and in the playoffs...they wanted him gone period...since the Plumlee trade we've been a team in flux...and I truly believe we're trying to trade right now.

 

[tester551]

He's stated that money isn't an issue if it means winning now......

Exactly. Blazers as currently constructed are not good enough to 'Win Now', therefore money is an issue for the current team.

The recent moves support this.

 

[riverman]

Exactly. Blazers as currently constructed are not good enough to 'Win Now', therefore money is an issue for the current team.

The recent moves support this.

trades change all that...we're not winning now and they know it..we know it. ..we also know there's a cap and a luxury tax...my point all along is Paul Allen will pay a luxury tax for the right players...we have expiring contracts as well

 

[tester551]

...moving Crabbe opened the door to go after Paul George and Melo...didn't pan out but they took a shot at it

I'm not claiming anything of the sort...

Sure looks to me like you were claiming that they moved Crabbe to be able to go after Melo & George.

Crabbe's trade was after the other two were moved & completely independent.

 

[riverman]

Sure looks to me like you were claiming that they moved Crabbe to be able to go after Melo & George.

Crabbe's trade was after the other two were moved & completely independent.

good catch...my mistake there...I should have said to go after players like melo and George but I wasn't intending specifics...just talent upgrades ..they were the guys we targeted...Crabbe was just going to be moved for pretty much being lethargic

 

[Scalma]

I'm not claiming anything of the sort...I'm citing the process this last season and offseason...they tried to improve the team...I said they shuffled the deck and with all the guys under contract, needed to open up roster spots to upgrade....also signed two two way rookies to friendly deals...Crabbe was moved as I said due to his disappointing production last season and in the playoffs...they wanted him gone period...since the Plumlee trade we've been a team in flux...and I truly believe we're trying to trade right now.

1. This is an assumption. Period.

2. Crabbe was playing through a significant injury in the playoffs.

3. We were a better team with Crabbe. If his production was disappointing than what would Connaughtons be described as? You know the guy you say is the better player.

4. They dealt him for NOTHING. That screams they just wanted as much of his salary off the books as possible. Cost cutting.

 

[tester551]

trades change all that...we're not winning now and they know it..we know it. ..we also know there's a cap and a luxury tax...my point all along is Paul Allen will pay a luxury tax for the right players...we have expiring contracts as well

Agreed. If Portland was a title contender, this would be a non-issue.

However, we're not & there's no realistic viable trade Portland can do in the next 2 months (before the trade deadline) to change that.

Therefore Portland will be looking to dump about $4M in salary soon to avoid the tax.

Until Portland has a viable path forward to be a 'contender', every move will be looked at with the tax implications

 

[Scalma]

But to be fair, Crabbe was traded before the Melo deal.

 

[Scalma]

Agreed. If Portland was a title contender, this would be a non-issue.

However, we're not & there's no realistic viable trade Portland can do in the next 2 months (before the trade deadline) to change that.

Therefore Portland will be looking to dump about $4M in salary soon to avoid the tax.

Until Portland has a viable path forward to be a 'contender', every move will be looked at with the tax implications

Thank you. This was the entire point I was trying to make.

 

[tester551]

4. They dealt him for NOTHING. That screams they just wanted as much of his salary off the books as possible. Cost cutting.

They delt him for less than nothing. Nothing would have been a good deal. Portland ate $20M of Nicholson salary just to get rid of Crabbe.

 

[Scalma]

More.

 

[Natebishop3]

Patty Mills got 4 years - $50 million.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...ills&y2=2018&player_id2=millspa02&idx=players

Cliff notes - Bazz shoots a better percentage while averaging the same points in 10 less minutes per game.

 

[Scalma]

I know I’ve mentioned Denver before, but instead of Beasley, how about a trade for Barton? He’s a free agent but we’d get his bird rights I believe. Barton is still tight with Lillard and would want to stay imo.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

http://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/video-shabazz-man-new-stumptown-coffee-commercial

 

[Labinot41]

I like Napier, but we can not keep him. If a trade is coming, hopefully for a Scoring Wing

 

[SIeepwalker]

I like Napier, but we can not keep him. If a trade is coming, hopefully for a Scoring Wing

keep Napier trade CJ

 

[Blazinaway]

I like Bazz but at time it's unlikely we can keep him, I'b be ecstatic if we could use him to help dump Meyers w/o giving up a 1st rdr

 

[santeesioux]

Lebron was right about him, it's just a shame we have all of this other highly paid scrubs on the bench and we'll have to trade him away.

 

[blue9]

keep Napier trade CJ

If we did that we'd need to get a starting SG who is bigger than CJ and can shoot the 3-pointer. So you're basically saying trade CJ for a bigger CJ...which doesn't seem likely.

 

[blue9]

 

[SheedSoNasty]

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I don’t think LeBron likes Turner.

 

[blue9]

I don’t think LeBron likes Turner.

Let's be honest, NOBODY likes Turner!
Also, the evidence that's been pointed to about LBJ/Turner doesn't seem like anything other than a little on-court trash talk - hardly think it's the sort of thing that would affect a trade. Now, Turner's basketball abilities OTOH...

 

[Scalma]

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Yes sir.

 

[0-Our!]

I think Bazz is a legit starter in this league. Does NY have anything we need? Beasley?

I love 'Bazz, thought he was ready for quite a long time now as a great backup pg & definitely a starter in this league.

Now... to answer ur question about NY, do they have anything we need specifically about Beasley... that's a no on him. I c where u r going w/ him on the court (still 1 of the toughest guys to guard 1 on 1, lots of offensive talent) but locker room-wise, he'd b poison for our guys/bad influence. Also, think about this: the man likes the smell of his own farts! Let's "keep Portland weird," not gross

Now back to does NY have anything that we'd want (that doesn't involve 'Bazz or any1 else around this talent level or higher), I say we nab Willy Hernangomez. Guy gets no PT anymore (not sure why) but he's a walkin' double double!

 

[Scalma]

I love 'Bazz, thought he was ready for quite a long time now as a great backup pg & definitely a starter in this league.

Now... to answer ur question about NY, do they have anything we need specifically about Beasley... that's a no on him. I c where u r going w/ him on the court (still 1 of the toughest guys to guard 1 on 1, lots of offensive talent) but locker room-wise, he'd b poison for our guys/bad influence. Also, think about this: the man likes the smell of his own farts! Let's "keep Portland weird," not gross

Now back to does NY have anything that we'd want (that doesn't involve 'Bazz or any1 else around this talent level or higher), I say we nab Willy Hernangomez. Guy gets no PT anymore (not sure why) but he's a walkin' double double!

I don’t know why NY keeps getting mentioned as a landing spot for Napier? They have their PG of the future. Yes he could probably guard twos but he’s a young player that should spend the majority of his time developing at point guard first.

Phoenix, Denver, Indiana, New Orleans, LAC, Utah, and Detroit all seem like better fits. If the clippers blow it up I’d love to see us get our hands on Teodosic and maybe even Gallinari. That deal could allow us to dump Turner and/or Meyers