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But you seriously have to ask yourself; What makes more sense?1 celled organisms slowly evolving over thousands of years eventually becoming humanORHumans just suddenly appearing along with the rest of the planet Earth in 7 days. We don't need an explanation as to HOW, they just appeared.And I'd like to ask, if some superbeing made Earth in 7 days, what'd he do about the rest of the universe? He had to have made the rest of the Milky Way at least at the same time, otherwise there'd be a different gravitational pull causing some strange things. Also, what does religion tell you about the moon?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And I'd like to ask, if some superbeing made Earth in 7 days, what'd he do about the rest of the universe? He had to have made the rest of the Milky Way at least at the same time, otherwise there'd be a different gravitational pull causing some strange things. Also, what does religion tell you about the moon?</div>religion didn't account for there being a "universe" but he will pull some random a$$ed passage out of the bible referencing "giant burning spheres" or something of the like to prove that they knew what quasars were back then.Back then they believed the earth was in the center of the universe. That should explain everything to you.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 13 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What exactly does that religion consist of besides taxis?</div>-In our holy book, there is a round earth, water is made from chemical elements, there is even mention of the evolution process, big bang, etc-Did you know that we believed in Democracy, freedom of speech, choice, expression, freedom of religion, pluralism, human rights, equality between men and women, equality of all people regardless of race, religion, caste, creed, status etc. hundreds of years before the US -Sikhism does not look down upon people who follow other religions as "inferior, non-believer, etc". That is one reason why you don't see Sikh Missionaries actively pursuing conversions.-Sikhism is a modern way of life, it doesn't subject people to valueless rituals. A few examples being the caste system, bathing in holy rivers, facing a certain direction for a prayer, slaughtering animals in the name of God, circumcision.-Sikhism, is a religion of worship of One God. A God that has no 'chosen people', a God compassionate to all, God not bonded to a "single religion", God to be found and realized by all, God that is not pleased with ritualistic behavior, a God that is only pleased by "ANYONE" who with true devotion LOVES HIM, yes a God for all the UNIVERSE
 
uuuhhmm, it were scientist who believed earth was the center of the universe, and the earth was flat.The Bible isnt pieced together with whatever...several books of the bible are written by one person, and so on and so on. Its only been majorly translated maybe twice....S2S, it says 7 days...but its common belief it was longer than that.(like 7 years or whatever). Most christians dont believe that the earth just pooped outve nowhere. I, and most the people I know believe God did go by creating Earth and its enviroment by a natrual way...Please though, post some pictures of these species we evolved from....is there no regard to that fact that evolutions hardest fact was peiced together with bones found in a 30 mle radius? It IS theory...it all came from Darwin who spent 2 years on a isolated island and came up with it. Most the people who believe this probably saw it on TV...and its very well known you cant believe everything TV says. I wouldnt call it evolution, but I do believe in common descent...but not to the extent we all came from one organism. Theres proof that animals in Africa and South America are common, but have slightly changed...but they didnt change into a whole different species.Most people look at evolution and see something on it on TV, or read a paragraph on it in 9th biology and they automaticly think its true. What they dont know is the lack of strict evidenve of evolution...where we all came from one organism. Of course they're going to find a large cat that was the acestor to the tiger...but that doesn't mean we all came from micro-organisms. It just means species adapt to the ever-changing Earth...just like I noted how humans did with their size and living capacity.Im not going to change your mind, and your not going to change mine. But I hope people atleast research like you have, or are. Im terrified by the fact that people can be persuaded so easily.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Apr 13 2007, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>-In our holy book, there is a round earth, water is made from chemical elements, there is even mention of the evolution process, big bang, etc-Did you know that we believed in Democracy, freedom of speech, choice, expression, freedom of religion, pluralism, human rights, equality between men and women, equality of all people regardless of race, religion, caste, creed, status etc. hundreds of years before the US -Sikhism does not look down upon people who follow other religions as "inferior, non-believer, etc". That is one reason why you don't see Sikh Missionaries actively pursuing conversions.-Sikhism is a modern way of life, it doesn't subject people to valueless rituals. A few examples being the caste system, bathing in holy rivers, facing a certain direction for a prayer, slaughtering animals in the name of God, circumcision.-Sikhism, is a religion of worship of One God. A God that has no 'chosen people', a God compassionate to all, God not bonded to a "single religion", God to be found and realized by all, God that is not pleased with ritualistic behavior, a God that is only pleased by "ANYONE" who with true devotion LOVES HIM, yes a God for all the UNIVERSE</div>didnt Sikhism come from the Middle East area?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Apr 13 2007, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>-In our holy book, there is a round earth, water is made from chemical elements, there is even mention of the evolution process, big bang, etc-Did you know that we believed in Democracy, freedom of speech, choice, expression, freedom of religion, pluralism, human rights, equality between men and women, equality of all people regardless of race, religion, caste, creed, status etc. hundreds of years before the US -Sikhism does not look down upon people who follow other religions as "inferior, non-believer, etc". That is one reason why you don't see Sikh Missionaries actively pursuing conversions.-Sikhism is a modern way of life, it doesn't subject people to valueless rituals. A few examples being the caste system, bathing in holy rivers, facing a certain direction for a prayer, slaughtering animals in the name of God, circumcision.-Sikhism, is a religion of worship of One God. A God that has no 'chosen people', a God compassionate to all, God not bonded to a "single religion", God to be found and realized by all, God that is not pleased with ritualistic behavior, a God that is only pleased by "ANYONE" who with true devotion LOVES HIM, yes a God for all the UNIVERSE</div>cool religion. Sounds like one I'd join if I was forced to join one.one thing though is that circumcision isn't a valueless ritual. It decreases chances of getting an STD by 70%
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Bible isnt pieced together with whatever...several books of the bible are written by one person, and so on and so on. Its only been majorly translated maybe twice....</div>but it was re-written by hand hundreds of times, altered slightly each time.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Most people look at evolution and see something on it on TV, or read a paragraph on it in 9th biology and they automaticly think its true. What they dont know is the lack of strict evidenve of evolution...where we all came from one organism. Of course they're going to find a large cat that was the acestor to the tiger...but that doesn't mean we all came from micro-organisms. It just means species adapt to the ever-changing Earth...just like I noted how humans did with their size and living capacity.</div>you keep talking about a lack of evidence for evolution (by the way, I know you don't like to define things but it's common descent you don't believe in, not evolution. Common Descent is the theory that we all came from a single celled organism, evolution is the change of species) but you haven't shown any lack of evidence of evolution. I'm not going to convince you, but I hope you take this in:The immense body of evidence and observation supporting evolution, not only is as complete as that of the theory of gravity, but is far more evidence than you would ever expect for a religious opinion.
 
Okay, I guess I do believe in evolution by your definition...but I believe we were put here by god. I sortve think God has done everyting with nature...like not everything was supernatural.As for religion, there is so much obvious stuff. The Shroud of Turin(which several people though was a hoax) has now been proven true. Theres that huge boat in Mount Aratat. There historical things in there about the Romans and Philinstines and other peoples that we never had evidence of it...until later. Theres alot more evidence proving religion than you realize. But honestly, in my beliefs, im not even supposed to be arguing this. So im probably going to stop...not because you "Stumped me" or anything like that...but I feel like this is going nowhere. I do appreciate your respect though.Back to the thread though...I think the last 4 pages proves how religious I am...lol.
 
What I don't get is how people seem to think either the Earth had to have been created by evolution or evolution never happened and the Earth was created. Couldn't evolution be the answer to how God created the Earth?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Apr 13 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What I don't get is how people seem to think either the Earth had to have been created by evolution or evolution never happened and the Earth was created. Couldn't evolution be the answer to how God created the Earth?</div>that's what I don't get. It seems like such a simple solution to say that god is the cause of all scientific phenomena, instead of rejecting science.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 13 2007, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Theres that huge boat in Mount Aratat.</div>I'm still waiting for a link to that...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 13 2007, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cool religion. Sounds like one I'd join if I was forced to join one.one thing though is that circumcision isn't a valueless ritual. It decreases chances of getting an STD by 70%</div>Good to hear that it actually does something for me.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 13 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that's what I don't get. It seems like such a simple solution to say that god is the cause of all scientific phenomena, instead of rejecting science.</div>wow...im not sure why we were debating...because thats exactly what I believe. s2s...
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http://s8int.com/noahsark8.htmlalotve stuff on it, for more just google it.
 
What exactly is that? I clicked the link and you can see a ridge in the snow which means nothing and some brown thing which is probably a rock.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Apr 11 2007, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain how the hell it's scientifically and historically true.Isaiah 40:22 (ahem) "He who sits above the circle of the earth" The Greek rendering for this is spheros or something like that meaning sphere obviously.That was WAY before people even had theories about the Earth's shape, especially it being round. Weren't they still thinking it was flat when the explorer guys found America?Again, I don't really feel like getting into this. Just something to think about.</div>Ancient Egyptians and Greeks were pretty sure that the earth was round when Isaiah was written. A couple hundred years later, a Greek mathemetician proved it geometrically and got down the actual size of the planet. All this knowledge was lost after 400 A.D. when Christians decided to destroy the library of Alexandria, the center of knowledge in the ancient world. Perhaps there were too many books competing with the Bible and this plunged Europe into the dark ages. Science and Christianity have been locked in combat from the very beginning.
 
Your so ignorant on that matter. First off, alotve the library was destroyed around 750AD or something around then, by Islamic forces who needed fuel to burn fire. They destroyed everything except Aristrotles works. Then, from just it being that, was also damaged by Chrsition riots. It has also been greatly damaged in the time of Julius Caeser...which there was no such thing as Christians...
 
I just double checked, ag. History tells us that Christian fanatics sacked and destroyed the library in 391 A.D., hundreds of years before the Caliph set it off, although it was also done in the vein of religious fanaticism.
 
Yeah, cause it was a religious war..type of thing...and the opposing peoples occupied it...Chrsitians didnt destroy it cause it proved the Bible wrong...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That was WAY before people even had theories about the Earth's shape, especially it being round. Weren't they still thinking it was flat when the explorer guys found America?</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>All this knowledge was lost after 400 A.D.</div>But by 1492 it was known among the educated upper class that the world was spherical. They just tell us it wasn't in class because they want to make columbus a hero.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 14 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it proved the Bible wrong...</div>The genius of religion is that there's nothing that can prove the bible wrong (barring divine intervention by some Hindu god or something), and nothing that can prove it right, which is why there will always be religion and there will always be science and they will always be separate.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 14 2007, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, cause it was a religious war..type of thing...and the opposing peoples occupied it...Chrsitians didnt destroy it cause it proved the Bible wrong...</div>The point I was making initially is that Christianity's clash with science began pretty much at it's inception. It thrust Europe gingerly into the dark ages. Lots of what appears to be faith, but far less knowledge reigned for a millenium.We can still witness that battle today. Intelligent design, abstinence over birth control, evolution... Locally, nationally, and globally - the books don't have to prove the Bible wrong, but the mortal powers behind Christianity (or any other religion) recognize competing ideals. The Bible says God is a jealous God. The same can be said of his shepherds.
 
The sack of rome is what put Europe in the dark ages. And it wasnt a clash between them...it just happen to be there.
 
I disagree with your history. But more importantly, I disagree with your characterization of the opposition between science and the Bible. The clash just happened to be there in the formation of modern Europe as it just happens to be obvious today.Jealous shepherds, homie.
 
[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']Don't read the bible, that thing is trash. How are we supposed to believe that a man parted the red sea? That a snake could not only talk but trick a woman, who in our society today has way too much power, into being banished from some mystical garden?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I'd like to know how the sea turned red in the first place... My snake can't talk, but it sure can trick women...</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That 2 people created by some super being ended up creating a whole race?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">That makes no sense to me neither... Also, wouldn't all the kids of the two people turn out to be retarded, since they had incest? Weren't the children having sex with one another? That means a brother nailed his sister and then turned around and nailed his mom... Eww...</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That people used to live to 500, 700, 900 years old?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I met a man who was 102 years old. I don't think people would've lasted so long back in the days as they do now... Didn't people die back in the day because of lack of hygiene. People hardly took baths, which led to various diseases due to bacteria. So, basically, it is impossible for people to live to be 1,000 years old.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That Egypt had a plague where the rivers turned to blood, and all the 1st born were killed?That a man named Jonah was eaten by a whale and survived for a number of days then was spit out safely on the shore?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">There's no way water can turn to blood unless someone spills their guts into the water. In other words, that's B.S. MOBY DICK! Naw... That's stupid. The man would have been turned into acid inside the whale's stomach. The only way he'd be spit out safely on shore would be after he became a pile of sh*t...</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That a man turned 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread into food enough for 5000 people?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Hmmm... It's common courtesy to feed your guests. Must've been a large party! But, eh, 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread wouldn't even be enough food to feed 500 people.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That bushes caught fire and started talking? That a guy had ridiculous strength that came from his hair?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">The only time bushes talk is when a rapist is hiding behind them, but I doubt they catch fire before that... Maybe afterward, but before? Nope. I have pretty well-groomed hair. However, I don't receive strength from it. I do get sweaty during hot days, though.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That a man could walk on water?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I can't even walk on a puddle... My shoes get wet.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That a man was thrown into a pit with hungry lions and not eated or even touched?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">It wouldn't even make sense if a woman got thrown into a pit with horny men and not get eaten out or even touched.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']Don't get me totally wrong, the bible has good messages scattered throughout, but the stories are just ... fantastic is the word I'll use.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I'd use "nonsense," but I suppose I lack vocabulary.. Overall, I don't mean to offend, so calm down BCB and austingriz and whoever the hell else may want to assault me verbally with vulgar words.</span>
 
All I have to say is your very ignorant about religion..and science for that matter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 15 2007, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All I have to say is your very ignorant about religion..and science for that matter.</div><span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Oh, is austingriz mad? Did Illosophee piss off austingriz and make him realize that god doesn't exist? Good job, Illosophee!</span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gentile @ Apr 14 2007, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ancient Egyptians and Greeks were pretty sure that the earth was round when Isaiah was written. A couple hundred years later, a Greek mathemetician proved it geometrically and got down the actual size of the planet. All this knowledge was lost after 400 A.D. when Christians decided to destroy the library of Alexandria, the center of knowledge in the ancient world. Perhaps there were too many books competing with the Bible and this plunged Europe into the dark ages. Science and Christianity have been locked in combat from the very beginning.</div>That's interesting, could you show me where you found that?And to S2S's reply to me, it's not metaphorical. The context... y'know.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That makes no sense to me neither... Also, wouldn't all the kids of the two people turn out to be retarded, since they had incest? Weren't the children having sex with one another? That means a brother nailed his sister and then turned around and nailed his mom... Eww...</div>Turns out, science proves incest doesny create retarded children.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I met a man who was 102 years old. I don't think people would've lasted so long back in the days as they do now... Didn't people die back in the day because of lack of hygiene. People hardly took baths, which led to various diseases due to bacteria. So, basically, it is impossible for people to live to be 1,000 years old.</div>science also proves that the oxygen thousands of years ago was almost pure, making humans alot bigger and live alot longer...all has to do with Earths enviroment.Most of the bible is like a metaphor. No you didnt make me mad, or piss me off. You just displayed your ignorance of religion, the world and science itself.
 
A lot of this stuff won't make sense because you don't believe in God. It's all about the faith in his word. That's why people have a lot of religion disagreements, because the Atheist side just doesn't get it. That's why there's no point in debating religion.
 
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