How to keep Kanter?

[Fez Hammersticks]

He's exactly what this bench has been missing. We all knew that he is a complete zero on defense, but he's a top-5 scoring big - easily.

This system can use him to his strengths -- exactly how Memphis utilized Randolph, which revived his career.

In short, is it even possible?

 

[Binx]

In short, is it even possible?

Yes.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think they need to drop ET's minutes and play Zach for interior defense.
The way they keep him, I don't know their going to be in an awkward position because of the cap this summer.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's exactly what this bench has been missing. We all knew that he is a complete zero on defense, but he's a top-5 scoring big - easily.

This system can use him to his strengths -- exactly how Memphis utilized Randolph, which revived his career.

In short, is it even possible?

Only way to keep him is via the MLE, so it will depend on how much he might be offered elsewhere. Bear in mind that our MLE will be of the taxpayer variety, so there will be many teams that can outbid us for his services.

If he really wants to stay here, and embraces his role as the back half of the Nurk-n-Turk center rotation, then he could theoretically sign here for one year at tax-MLE level, with the "promise" of us re-signing him next year to a much larger deal summer 2020, but that would be a lot of risk for him.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Only way to keep him is via the MLE, so it will depend on how much he might be offered elsewhere. Bear in mind that our MLE will be of the taxpayer variety, so there will be many teams that can outbid us for his services.

If he really wants to stay here, and embraces his role as the back half of the Nurk-n-Turk center rotation, then he could theoretically sign here for one year at tax-MLE level, with the "promise" of us re-signing him next year to a much larger deal summer 2020, but that would be a lot of risk for him.

Can we just call them Urkles ?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can we just call them Urkles ?

Along with CJ? Nurk, Turk, and Urk(el)?

 

[illmatic99]

I know it goes against everything the league is turning into, but I want to see if we can work him in as a starting PF, along with backup C.

I think he can Collins can work eventually as the backups, but I want to see if he can mesh with Nurk as well for about 10 mpg. We'd have multiple P&R threats and move that action to the wings instead of down the middle. Not many ways to stop that if we can work out the spacing.

 

[julius]

The chances of keeping him appear slim, which is why I'm not letting myself get too attached to him or Hood.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes.

Kindly please explain how, realistically.

vet min, MLE. Thats about all I see, but I dont know alot.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The chances of keeping him appear slim, which is why I'm not letting myself get too attached to him or Hood.

Dont name it.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Show his agent his defensive numbers?

 

[Blazers Roy]

I can already smell that Nets offer coming.

 

[James lamphear]

It will depends how bad olshey wants to keep him and Hood. But he must trade to trade Turner Harkless Leonard and Aminu Curry walk. That might give them enough to resign both of them. But then again it will take Kanter and Hood patients in this summer too.

 

[Scalma]

I think we need Kanter more than we need Hood, with Trent and Simons in the wings.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Short answer - they can't.

And this is why I grit my teeth and snarl every time some chowder head tries to tell me it doesn't matter that Olshey overpaid for a bunch of scrubs. "It's not your money!" they cry. No, but it is the team I root for and Olshey F'ed them royally! He finally tripped over a couple of guys in Hood and Kanter that might help - and there is no way to keep them. I'm not even betting that we can/will keep Jake!

 

[Chris Craig]

He's exactly what this bench has been missing. We all knew that he is a complete zero on defense, but he's a top-5 scoring big - easily.

This system can use him to his strengths -- exactly how Memphis utilized Randolph, which revived his career.

In short, is it even possible?

It's possible. But, is it likely? There are going to be teams giving him better offers than the Blazers can. He would have to turn them down to rejoin the Blazers. Unless, the Blazers can move Turner/Meyers/Hark in a draft day trade or early summer, all they will have is the vet MLE. They could offer it to him with the promise of a bigger payday the next season after they move some of those terrible contracts once they become expirings. Kanter is very excited about being here. Will that last till the summer?

 

[wizenheimer]

I would say the first assumption is that the tax-MLE won't be enough. What will it start at?...about 5.6M?

Kanter will probably take a pay-cut from his last contract, but it likely won't be that much. So then, Portland would need the full-MLE. That way, Portland could offer something like a 3-year/30M deal

projected tax line is 132M; Apron is 138M. Portland would have to be no higher than 129M to offer Kanter the full MLE

Portland is at 126M in guaranteed money (10 players). Layman's cap-hold is about 2M. The first round pick adds another 2M, bumping it up to 130M, so just those two 'factors' push Portland out of full MLE range. Then there are the cap-holds for Portland's UFA's:

Al-Farouq Aminu $13,218,500
Rodney Hood $6,598,487
Seth Curry $3,354,000

looks like there isn't away to get it done short of a significant cap-clearing trade and renouncing the rights to Aminu

it will be a buyer's market for expiring contracts next season. Ideally, if the Blazers were the first team out there dangling a 1st round pick as incentive to take either Meyers or Harkless (I'm assuming Turner has too much negative value), Portland could be at 115M (not counting roster charges). Convince Hood to sign for his non-Bird amount...Blazers are at 119M. Convince Aminu to sign for 6-7M. 125-126M. Layman's cap-hold puts them at 128M. Sign Kanter for full-MLE and Portland is at 137M. Re-sign Layman for 10M (too much?....too little?) and Portland is at 147M with 13 players. Vet minimum for 14th player and Portland is around 148-149M; 16-17M over the tax line.

Would JA agree to a 30M tax bill? Would Kanter agree to be a backup? Does Portland need to bring back both Aminu and Hood?

 

[cheesehoff]

I do everything in my power to keep Enes. He is the perfect running mate with ZC. Perfect! And those 2 give us a great foundation for having one of the best benches in the league, along with Jake. Run the second unit offense through Enes (keeps him happy) and surround him with shooters (Jake, Curry, Trent, even ZC) and thats a strong second unit.

 

[BBert]

Does Portland need to bring back both Aminu and Hood?

Would you trade Aminu and Hood for Kanter? I certainly would. So dump both of them.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

He finally tripped over a couple of guys in Hood and Kanter that might help - and there is no way to keep them. I'm not even betting that we can/will keep Jake!

Lol Olshey haters are funny. He tripped into Kanter and Hood. He lucked into a killer deal to get Nurk. He accidentally traded for the rights to Layman. It was the Blazers scouts that really wanted Lillard and he just so happened to go along with it. This stuff is laughable.

I think there's plenty of fair criticism to give without ignoring the positive Olshey is responsible for.

 

[Hoopguru]

Lol Olshey haters are funny. He tripped into Kanter and Hood. He lucked into a killer deal to get Nurk. He accidentally traded for the rights to Layman. It was the Blazers scouts that really wanted Lillard and he just so happened to go along with it. This stuff is laughable.

I think there's plenty of fair criticism to give without ignoring the positive Olshey is responsible for.

well said....plus his team is nearing 50 wins again!

 

[THE HCP]

I remember back in the day 50 win seasons were what everybody starved for.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Ideally, if the Blazers were the first team out there dangling a 1st round pick as incentive to take either Meyers or Harkless (I'm assuming Turner has too much negative value), Portland could be at 115M (not counting roster charges).

Would Kanter agree to be a backup? Does Portland need to bring back both Aminu and Hood?

Its looking more and more like we will not be keeping our #1 draft pick.
As for Kanter agreeing to be a back up next year, it sounds like he wants to play on a winning team, and how many good teams would he start for?
So it may be possible to keep him

 

[riverman]

Winning in the post season will answer a lot of these questions...there's a good chance Meyers and ET are traded off season..we'll keep Jake and Chief in my opinion and Enes will probably work with Neil if he's successful and happy here...give him Meyers money and trade Meyers

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Ideally, if the Blazers were the first team out there dangling a 1st round pick as incentive to take either Meyers or Harkless (I'm assuming Turner has too much negative value), Portland could be at 115M (not counting roster charges). Convince Hood to sign for his non-Bird amount...Blazers are at 119M. Convince Aminu to sign for 6-7M. 125-126M. Layman's cap-hold puts them at 128M. Sign Kanter for full-MLE and Portland is at 137M. Re-sign Layman for 10M (too much?....too little?) and Portland is at 147M with 13 players. Vet minimum for 14th player and Portland is around 148-149M; 16-17M over the tax line.

Would JA agree to a 30M tax bill? Would Kanter agree to be a backup? Does Portland need to bring back both Aminu and Hood?

If we signed Kanter (or anyone) to a non-tax MLE deal, we wouldn't be permitted to go over the apron at all, meaning we would lose Layman.

We are not sacrificing Layman for the privilege of re-signing Kanter. Tax-MLE is the max option for us.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

well said....plus his team is nearing 50 wins again!

My biggest complaint from Olshey is that he hasn't replaced this coach sooner. But, that maybe more up to the higher ups.

Neil mentioned Zach playing with Nurk more. Nice to see Stotts ignoring him.

 

[Blazer4ever]

He's exactly what this bench has been missing. We all knew that he is a complete zero on defense, but he's a top-5 scoring big - easily.

This system can use him to his strengths -- exactly how Memphis utilized Randolph, which revived his career.

In short, is it even possible?

I didn't watch the game but him being a weak defender maybe explains why he had a minus-3 despite his stat line.
Dame had +30.
I don't like this guy, he takes minutes away from Collins and Meyers, our entire bench had bad plus-minus. Bench him

 

[Sheldon Shape]

And for the record, I do think it's possible to re-sign Kanter.

The market for centers isn't particularly great. Especially for ones who play no defense. I don't think he'll get paid much more than the MLE from a good team.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Lol Olshey haters are funny. He tripped into Kanter and Hood. He lucked into a killer deal to get Nurk. He accidentally traded for the rights to Layman. It was the Blazers scouts that really wanted Lillard and he just so happened to go along with it. This stuff is laughable.

I think there's plenty of fair criticism to give without ignoring the positive Olshey is responsible for.

Kanter is here because the Knicks are dumb, not because Olshey is a genius. Even if you somehow twist the facts to credit Olshey with the Knicks dumping Kanter, who is to blame for the cap situation that means the Blazers won't be able to keep him?

As I said in another thread, if KP deserved to be fired after 3 years and Petrie after 4 (and 2 trips to the finals) there is no rational way to justify Olshey getting 7 years (and counting).

 

[BBert]

Collins will be back on the court. The Nyets are a small team, so Stotts went with small PFs.

Meyers on the other hand will not sniff the court as long as Nurk and Turk are both healthy.