How to keep Kanter?

[riverman]

Kanter is here because the Knicks are dumb, not because Olshey is a genius. Even if you somehow twist the facts to credit Olshey with the Knicks dumping Kanter, who is to blame for the cap situation that means the Blazers won't be able to keep him?

As I said in another thread, if KP deserved to be fired after 3 years and Petrie after 4 (and 2 trips to the finals) there is no rational way to justify Olshey getting 7 years (and counting).

yeah...I don't buy this line of thinking....at this point Kanter chose us over the Lakers and Rockets as well as several other interested teams like Boston...Neil and Dame tipped the scales our way and probably in equal measure...credit where credit is due. I'm really happy with the move and what it says to me is that Jody Allen is working with the organization to improve it...not treading water...Enes explained it pretty clearly and he's visibly excited to be here

 

[Orion Bailey]

I didn't watch the game but him being a weak defender maybe explains why he had a minus-3 despite his stat line.
Dame had +30.
I don't like this guy, he takes minutes away from Collins and Meyers, our entire bench had bad plus-minus. Bench him

I didnt need to read any further either...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I didnt need to read any further either...

This is where I stopped...

 

[kjironman1]

Lol Olshey haters are funny. He tripped into Kanter and Hood. He lucked into a killer deal to get Nurk. He accidentally traded for the rights to Layman. It was the Blazers scouts that really wanted Lillard and he just so happened to go along with it. This stuff is laughable.

I think there's plenty of fair criticism to give without ignoring the positive Olshey is responsible for.

Laughable is putting it mildly. It's ridiculous in my book.

 

[kjironman1]

Kanter is here because the Knicks are dumb, not because Olshey is a genius. Even if you somehow twist the facts to credit Olshey with the Knicks dumping Kanter, who is to blame for the cap situation that means the Blazers won't be able to keep him?

As I said in another thread, if KP deserved to be fired after 3 years and Petrie after 4 (and 2 trips to the finals) there is no rational way to justify Olshey getting 7 years (and counting).

Now it's twisting facts. Like i said.... Ridiculous.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Kanter is here because the Knicks are dumb, not because Olshey is a genius. Even if you somehow twist the facts to credit Olshey with the Knicks dumping Kanter, who is to blame for the cap situation that means the Blazers won't be able to keep him?

The Knicks cut Enes because they are actively trying to lose to get a better pick and Kanter hurt that effort because he's a competitor. He had his choice of playoff teams and chose the Blazers. Olshey started the relationship with him and his agent years ago and it seems the goodwill hadn't been forgotten. Credit Neil.

The cap situation wouldn't be any different since we re-signed CJ to the deal. It was use it or lose it at the time. Unfortunately for us, values were inflated in 2016 and we're still a small market team. He's definitely responsible for the terrible fit Turner has been though. It just hasn't worked out.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Now it's twisting facts. Like i said.... Ridiculous.

So Olshey did something that caused the Knicks to cut Kanter? Who's being ridiculous?

 

[James lamphear]

I didnt need to read any further either...

The plus and the minus is to me is over rated. You can have really good individual night but if every round you having bad night you probably be in the minus category but like Dame had not a good game last night but everyone around him excel last night he got big plus.

 

[hoopsjock]

Would you trade Aminu and Hood for Kanter? I certainly would. So dump both of them.

The problem is we have to replace their spots on the roster so it's not as simple as just letting those guys go and signing Kanter. It might be more like having to lose Aminu, Hood, Layman, and our 1st round pick.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The cap situation wouldn't be any different since we re-signed CJ to the deal. It was use it or lose it at the time. Unfortunately for us, values were inflated in 2016 and we're still a small market team. He's definitely responsible for the terrible fit Turner has been though. It just hasn't worked out.

CJ was extended after the 2016 cap-space was used. Had they not wasted the 2016 money, and waited until summer 2017 to deal with CJ's RFA status then, we could have held the space over until then as well.

 

[hoopsjock]

Its looking more and more like we will not be keeping our #1 draft pick.
As for Kanter agreeing to be a back up next year, it sounds like he wants to play on a winning team, and how many good teams would he start for?
So it may be possible to keep him

Just a note, no team currently has the cap space at the draft to take Harkless, Leonard, or Turner without sending salary back. They could agree to the trade and then wait until the new calendar year but most of the teams that cleared cap space or have a big enough trade exception for this summer have bigger plans for it than to get a pick in the 20's and take on a bad contract.

 

[James lamphear]

So Olshey did something that caused the Knicks to cut Kanter? Who's being ridiculous?

He got him over the other teams due already had relationship when he sign him offered sheet 4 years ago. So when Olshey went after him being bought out from the Knicks in Kanter mind here a GM really wants me so he show loyalty back to Olshey. But we don't know what Olshey told him for the future either but that's for later date.

 

[dviss1]

I didn't watch the game

I didnt need to read any further either...

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This is where I stopped...

I was gonna say something and quickly realized my comment wasn't necessary.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

CJ was extended after the 2016 cap-space was used. Had they not wasted the 2016 money, and waited until summer 2017 to deal with CJ's RFA status then, we could have held the space over until then as well.

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When is the last time a GM didn't lock up his up and coming star player ASAP? It would have sent the wrong message.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I was gonna say something and quickly realized my comment wasn't necessary.

Lol. His regular theme. I didn't watch the game, but I have the right answers and everyone else has lesser BBIQ than me! I know it all and everyone else is wrong.

 

[Orion Bailey]

When is the last time a GM didn't lock up his up and coming star player ASAP? It would have sent the wrong message.

Dame is the star. CJ is a robin and there are alot of robins in the league. We could have waited.

 

[hoopsjock]

Nurk got a 4 year, $48 million contract so factoring in that Kanter is a couple years older and isn't as good defensively I'd estimate him to get about $10 million a year this summer. That is why it was a big failure to not ditch a contract at the deadline. It's the difference between starting off at $9 million this summer, which would get in the ballpark to retain him, or only being able to offer $5.6 million. If the rest of the season goes well would he sign here for the Tax-MLE for 2 years thinking he'd get a bigger deal once we had his bird rights and he'd still only be 28? I think that'd be a huge risk considering the ownership situation and what if Olshey isn't still here to follow through with a promise.

Most likely it would take something along the lines of what Denver did last summer where we'd have to trade a team a 2020 lottery protected 1st to take on a contract but the problem with this route is it was 12 days into free agency after most of the dust had settled. Would Kanter still be unsigned by then? Would teams that struck out be willing to take on the salary? Is that still enough money to sign Kanter and keep Layman? It's super tricky short of a miracle dumping of Turner's contract.

 

[Natebishop3]

I really dislike the new salary cap.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Dame is the star. CJ is a robin and there are alot of robins in the league. We could have waited.

I'm not sure about that. When Dame is out, we see that CJ can be a star. I don't think he's the best fit here but I'd be willing to bet that if he had his own team, he'd be putting up MONSTER numbers. But back to my question, when is the last time a team didn't lock up their up and coming star guard?

 

[hoopsjock]

Here's a question I find pretty intriguing right now:

Would you rather go into the off-season and the trade deadline next year having those three big expiring contracts (Leonard, Harkless, and Turner) to possibly be players for a big trade or would you rather ditch the contracts and re-sign guys like Hood and Kanter?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Here's a question I find pretty intriguing right now:

Would you rather go into the off-season and the trade deadline next year having those three big expiring contracts (Leonard, Harkless, and Turner) to possibly be players for a big trade or would you rather ditch the contracts and re-sign guys like Hood and Kanter?

I would want to be a player for a big trade. Winning championships is almost exclusively about having stars and upper end talent. Theyve upgraded their depth really well, but in order to compete at the highest level they’ll have to find a way to bring at least one more player of about Dames talent level in. Or hope that one of the young players developes into that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm not sure about that. When Dame is out, we see that CJ can be a star. I don't think he's the best fit here but I'd be willing to bet that if he had his own team, he'd be putting up MONSTER numbers. But back to my question, when is the last time a team didn't lock up their up and coming star guard?

I dont think this can be answered because the opinion of "star guard " probably has a wide disparity.

 

[hoopsjock]

I would want to be a player for a big trade. Winning championships is almost exclusively about having stars and upper end talent. Theyve upgraded their depth really well, but in order to compete at the highest level they’ll have to find a way to bring at least one more player of about Dames talent level in. Or hope that one of the young players developes into that.

Yes, I agree but you do risk being worse off in the short term until the deadline and then also risk that a trade like that doesn't actually come to fruition. I think taking those contracts away completely closes the door on a big trade next year though without giving up a piece like CJ.

 

[KingSpeed]

Can we keep Curry too?

 

[KingSpeed]

Can we keep Curry too?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yes, I agree but you do risk being worse off in the short term until the deadline and then also risk that a trade like that doesn't actually come to fruition. I think taking those contracts away completely closes the door on a big trade next year though without giving up a piece like CJ.

Yeah, there is a risk to it no doubt. I would love to Keep hood, Layman, Kanter and I think they'll keep layman. The other two might be cap casualties depending on what their market looks like. I just think they gotta find a way to get stars and I don't know what other path they have, unless maybe the luck out and get a great player in the draft who fell for who knows what reasons.

 

[hoopsjock]

Here's a question I find pretty intriguing right now:

Would you rather go into the off-season and the trade deadline next year having those three big expiring contracts (Leonard, Harkless, and Turner) to possibly be players for a big trade or would you rather ditch the contracts and re-sign guys like Hood and Kanter?

If the answer is to simply dump money to re-sign those guys then I think we could make some creative trades that involve basically trading a big one year contract for a smaller contract that still has 2-3 years left on it. This would have to involve teams willing to sacrifice a bit of cap space this year in order to get more in future years, which I'd imagine a few teams would be fine with.

Something along the lines of:

Turner to the Bulls for Cristiano Felicio

It saves us $10 million next year but Felicio still is under contract in 2020-2021 so it saves the Bulls almost $8 million the following season.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Here's a question I find pretty intriguing right now:

Would you rather go into the off-season and the trade deadline next year having those three big expiring contracts (Leonard, Harkless, and Turner) to possibly be players for a big trade or would you rather ditch the contracts and re-sign guys like Hood and Kanter?

There are around 60 such contracts available for trade next season. Supply wildly exceeds demand. In other words, those 3 deals are worthless. You want trade assets? Sign guys like Hood and Kanter to reasonable deals. Whether you trade them or they earn their way into the rotation, you come out ahead.

 

[hoopsjock]

Can we keep Curry too?

Currently we have the Tax-MLE which is about $5.6 million. Without using that this is the max we can offer our free agents:

Layman: Max

Aminu: Max

Curry: About $3.5 million

Hood: About $4.35 million

Kanter: League Minimum

Basically what this means is Curry and Hood would have to accept contracts for those amounts or would be gone. If we want to keep Kanter we'd have to somehow open up the Full-MLE (assuming he wouldn't take the Tax-MLE) meaning re-signing those other guys would be very difficult.

 

[hoopsjock]

There are around 60 such contracts available for trade next season. Supply wildly exceeds demand. In other words, those 3 deals are worthless. You want trade assets? Sign guys like Hood and Kanter to reasonable deals. Whether you trade them or they earn their way into the rotation, you come out ahead.

I know all about the other contracts but I wouldn't call them worthless. If a team like Detroit decides to blow it up than getting our three expirings and a couple 1sts and young players is much more likely to get Griffin than a bunch of okay players that wouldn't help them win and still have multiple years remaining.