How to keep Kanter?

[e_blazer]

Simons still won't be ready next year. I'll kindly refer you to this post:

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4703603/

I don't disagree that Simons isn't going to be near the caliber of Curry next year in terms of strength and experience. I just don't see any way that the Blazers can afford Curry, or that it would make good career sense for Seth to stay with the Blazers. Olshey may have to find someone who can sign for the vet's minimum to be the experienced backup, but Simons needs more minutes to develop. If we get Hood, and if we're still stuck with ET's last year, ET is going to be the principle playmaker on the second unit anyway.

 

[TBpup]

Simons still won't be ready next year. I'll kindly refer you to this post:

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4703603/

Completely agree. Although we may get to see flashes, just not the experience yet. HOWEVER, with my rose colored glasses, I ask, 'when was the last time Curry had 37/9 against anyone no matter how bad the team was?' #Potential

 

[hoopsjock]

I don't disagree that Simons isn't going to be near the caliber of Curry next year in terms of strength and experience. I just don't see any way that the Blazers can afford Curry, or that it would make good career sense for Seth to stay with the Blazers. Olshey may have to find someone who can sign for the vet's minimum to be the experienced backup, but Simons needs more minutes to develop. If we get Hood, and if we're still stuck with ET's last year, ET is going to be the principle playmaker on the second unit anyway.

Well if we are answering the specific question of how to keep all 3 of Curry, Hood, and Kanter the answer (unless like I mentioned Curry signs for cheap) almost certainly would have to include trading CJ as part of it. IF that were to happen I think there would be room for both Curry and Simons to be a part of the rotation. Still the likelihood of that happening is very small.

 

[BBert]

So that's a "no"?

 

[LayneStaley]

I like Curry but I’m hoping Simons is the 3rd guard next season(assuming no CJ Trade)

Hood and Kanter resigning with further development by Simons and Collins would make us Title contenders next season, especially if KD leaves.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm greedy. I want Curry too. How do we keep all three?

We cant unless we clear cap space. Keeping two in the way I described would be an accomplishment. Get ready for Simons.

 

[HailBlazers]

When Curry was torching the Lakers I couldn't help but think LBJ would recruit him there.

 

[riverman]

but nobody knows if Jody Allen gives a shit about Portland making it to the next level, or if she's willing to pay millions to make it so

did she even attend a single game this year?

Jody after the game

 

[BonesJones]

The consensus is the same as it has been since we signed him two months ago.

If he accepts less than market value we have a chance.

If he wants more than $5.3 million, he's gone.

Eh, I could see us opening up space to use the Full MLE to keep him.

 

[wizenheimer]

I thought about this too but Kanter gives the bench some offensive punch Ed doesn't add....Zach has Ed's job now

in the comparative playoff games, Ed had 12 points and 16 rebounds on the road; Zach had 2 points and 1 rebound at home. Zach may have Ed's job if Ed's job is to look like somebody totally unprepared for playoff BB

 

[wizenheimer]

The consensus is the same as it has been since we signed him two months ago.

If he accepts less than market value we have a chance.

If he wants more than $5.3 million, he's gone.

Portland could offer the full-MLE but they'd have to shed some major salary someway-somehow to get far enough under the apron not to risk a hard cap

would the 25th pick be enough to convince Atlanta to take Meyers without send back any salary?

 

[hoopsjock]

Portland could offer the full-MLE but they'd have to shed some major salary someway-somehow to get far enough under the apron not to risk a hard cap

would the 25th pick be enough to convince Atlanta to take Meyers without send back any salary?

Eh, I could see us opening up space to use the Full MLE to keep him.

Nah, it's not that easy. If a team like Atlanta was willing to take on Meyers and a 1st, they would've done so for a guy like Jeremy Lin at the deadline.

The timing of shedding salary is going to make this very difficult. No teams can take our contracts at the draft if the trade isn't pushed to the new league year and it's unlikely any team would be willing to sacrifice cap space before free agency anyway unless they're getting something better than the 25th pick. Waiting to do what the Nuggets did last summer would likely mean that Curry, Hood, and Kanter might have already signed elsewhere or that there are no teams left with cap space willing to take on money.

Unless something changes, we're in a tough spot to open up the Full-MLE without losing most of our free agents.

 

[kjironman1]

Nah, it's not that easy. If a team like Atlanta was willing to take on Meyers and a 1st, they would've done so for a guy like Jeremy Lin at the deadline.

The timing of shedding salary is going to make this very difficult. No teams can take our contracts at the draft if the trade isn't pushed to the new league year and it's unlikely any team would be willing to sacrifice cap space before free agency anyway unless they're getting something better than the 25th pick. Waiting to do what the Nuggets did last summer would likely mean that Curry, Hood, and Kanter might have already signed elsewhere or that there are no teams left with cap space willing to take on money.

Unless something changes, we're in a tough spot to open up the Full-MLE without losing most of our free agents.

Maybe they can all just take vets minimum and a bonus guaranteed by handshake if they make the playoffs again? Nothing on paper though. That gets messy.

 

[BonesJones]

Nah, it's not that easy. If a team like Atlanta was willing to take on Meyers and a 1st, they would've done so for a guy like Jeremy Lin at the deadline.

The timing of shedding salary is going to make this very difficult. No teams can take our contracts at the draft if the trade isn't pushed to the new league year and it's unlikely any team would be willing to sacrifice cap space before free agency anyway unless they're getting something better than the 25th pick. Waiting to do what the Nuggets did last summer would likely mean that Curry, Hood, and Kanter might have already signed elsewhere or that there are no teams left with cap space willing to take on money.

Unless something changes, we're in a tough spot to open up the Full-MLE without losing most of our free agents.

I've literally broken our cap situation down to a T in one of my videos.

I still think Harkless, #25, future 2nd(s) for Prince and #35 or #42 (or whatever their other 2nd is) makes a lot of sense both ways. If Atlanta doesnt have the space, they can agree in principal.

Or we can let Aminu go and trim around the edges (ex. Meyers [1yr, $11M] for Felicio [2yrs, $8M]) which would give us $16M under the hard cap which is enough to bring back Kanter for $8M, our 1st round pick, and one of Layman/Hood for $4.5M or less (Hood for $4.25M with non-bird rights), and a 2 minimum contracts.

That would give us 14 players.

9-Man Rotation:
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (8) / Simons (4)
Harkless (16) / Hood (16) / Turner (16)
Collins (26) / Harkless (16) / Labissiere (6)
Kanter (30) / Labissiere (18)

Reserves: Trent, Felicio, 1st Round Pick, 2 Min Contracts

 

[riverman]

in the comparative playoff games, Ed had 12 points and 16 rebounds on the road; Zach had 2 points and 1 rebound at home. Zach may have Ed's job if Ed's job is to look like somebody totally unprepared for playoff BB

well if you go down that path..Ed got swept here with that job..Zach won game 1...even though he wasn't really an impact player in the game. I love Ed...sure he's better than Zach but Zach is also on a rookie deal...watch Zach's last game against Golden State if you want to see the kid's future. You have youth like Zach and Skal….Ed is going to not going to like the role we'd have for him

 

[Pinwheel1]

I've literally broken our cap situation down to a T in one of my videos.

I still think Harkless, #25, future 2nd(s) for Prince and #35 or #42 (or whatever their other 2nd is) makes a lot of sense both ways. If Atlanta doesnt have the space, they can agree in principal.

Or we can let Aminu go and trim around the edges (ex. Meyers [1yr, $11M] for Felicio [2yrs, $8M]) which would give us $16M under the hard cap which is enough to bring back Kanter for $8M, our 1st round pick, and one of Layman/Hood for $4.5M or less (Hood for $4.25M with non-bird rights), and a 2 minimum contracts.

That would give us 14 players.

9-Man Rotation:
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (8) / Simons (4)
Harkless (16) / Hood (16) / Turner (16)
Collins (26) / Harkless (16) / Labissiere (6)
Kanter (30) / Labissiere (18)

Reserves: Trent, Felicio, 1st Round Pick, 2 Min Contracts

Where is Nurk in this scenario? On the team, just not in the rotation because he is hurt?

 

[joeBlazers]

In Neil Oshay we trust (if he does not take the Fakers job).

 

[kjironman1]

I've literally broken our cap situation down to a T in one of my videos.

I still think Harkless, #25, future 2nd(s) for Prince and #35 or #42 (or whatever their other 2nd is) makes a lot of sense both ways. If Atlanta doesnt have the space, they can agree in principal.

Or we can let Aminu go and trim around the edges (ex. Meyers [1yr, $11M] for Felicio [2yrs, $8M]) which would give us $16M under the hard cap which is enough to bring back Kanter for $8M, our 1st round pick, and one of Layman/Hood for $4.5M or less (Hood for $4.25M with non-bird rights), and a 2 minimum contracts.

That would give us 14 players.

9-Man Rotation:
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (8) / Simons (4)
Harkless (16) / Hood (16) / Turner (16)
Collins (26) / Harkless (16) / Labissiere (6)
Kanter (30) / Labissiere (18)

Reserves: Trent, Felicio, 1st Round Pick, 2 Min Contracts

What are you doing with Nurk?

 

[hoopsjock]

I've literally broken our cap situation down to a T in one of my videos.

I still think Harkless, #25, future 2nd(s) for Prince and #35 or #42 (or whatever their other 2nd is) makes a lot of sense both ways. If Atlanta doesnt have the space, they can agree in principal.

Or we can let Aminu go and trim around the edges (ex. Meyers [1yr, $11M] for Felicio [2yrs, $8M]) which would give us $16M under the hard cap which is enough to bring back Kanter for $8M, our 1st round pick, and one of Layman/Hood for $4.5M or less (Hood for $4.25M with non-bird rights), and a 2 minimum contracts.

That would give us 14 players.

9-Man Rotation:
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (8) / Simons (4)
Harkless (16) / Hood (16) / Turner (16)
Collins (26) / Harkless (16) / Labissiere (6)
Kanter (30) / Labissiere (18)

Reserves: Trent, Felicio, 1st Round Pick, 2 Min Contracts

I don't see Atlanta doing that and the rest of the post I don't think is great. We'd be a little worse than this year. Plus I hate adding salary in 2020 just to save a couple million this year.

 

[tester551]

I don't see Atlanta doing that and the rest of the post I don't think is great.

Agreed.
Dump Turner or Meyers if at all possible.

Don't go through great lengths just to be able to use the full MLE.

 

[KingSpeed]

What are you doing with Nurk?

He listed 14 guys. So. that makes Nurk the 15th guy. When he's healthy he's starting C again.

 

[LayneStaley]

Who knows, another summer of development and maybe Skal could handle some legit playing time? I’d really like to see a bit more of Skal/Zach together. I’m pretty confident Simons can take all of Curry’s minutes. That means resign Hood and Chief and trade the 3 expirings at the deadline.

Even though if Moe ever gave any consistency I’d wanna keep him. Nards and ET gotta go though.

 

[kjironman1]

He listed 14 guys. So. that makes Nurk the 15th guy. When he's healthy he's starting C again.

That makes sense.

 

[kjironman1]

I’m pretty confident Simons can take all of Curry’s minutes.

I don't know about this?
Something tells me if they let Curry walk they are gonna hate that move.

 

[HailBlazers]

I don't know about this?
Something tells me if they let Curry walk they are gonna hate that move.

Something tells me Curry's going to get an offer he can't refuse. Best 3pt shooter in the league and can play a resemblance of defense? I'd say that's in demand.

 

[TBpup]

Something tells me Curry's going to get an offer he can't refuse. Best 3pt shooter in the league and can play a resemblance of defense? I'd say that's in demand.

I doubt it is about 'letting' Curry go. Kemba is out in Charlotte and could have money to spend. Curry is from there and I can see Jordan wanting to put a friendly face on the court who won't be too expensive but certainly more than Portland can pay.

 

[kjironman1]

Something tells me Curry's going to get an offer he can't refuse. Best 3pt shooter in the league and can play a resemblance of defense? I'd say that's in demand.

I doubt it is about 'letting' Curry go. Kemba is out in Charlotte and could have money to spend. Curry is from there and I can see Jordan wanting to put a friendly face on the court who won't be too expensive but certainly more than Portland can pay.

Cannot disagree with either of you. But something tells me the Blazers will regret losing him.

 

[LayneStaley]

I think Kemba takes the Charlotte money, they can offer the most and to this point he’s never really cashed in. (Previous contract was 4/48mil)

 

[LayneStaley]

If Simons is 80% of what we saw in the Sac game no one will care about Curry imo. Great handle, shot, passer and decent rebounder. Perfect 3rd guard with unlimited ceiling.

 

[TBpup]

Cannot disagree with either of you. But something tells me the Blazers will regret losing him.

Probably so. Losing one of the best percentage '3' shooters in the league can't be a good thing. I think we all hope that Simons can step in and contribute at least a solid portion of what Curry provided. It seems he certainly has the ability to be better (down the road) and can do more things, but it will take seasoning.

Also, 37 games Curry scored 6 points or less an 8 games he didn't play at all. That is 45 games where the production really wasn't very much. We were blessed with a late season run of much higher production, and he shot it well all year when he did shoot, but that is over half the season where there wasn't that much of a scoring contribution. Only 4 times did he get 3 assists or more.....for the whole year. Not Gary Trent level but, 32 games where there were 0, zip, nada assists.

Curry does more that what shows up on a stat sheet and I agree the Blazers will miss him, but I think there could be some nights Simons gives us meteoric glimpses of the future.