I do like Obama

[Denny Crane]

I saw a post in some other thread that suggested that I don't like Obama.

I actually do like him, I just think people have ridiculous expectations for him and he's basically set up to fail because of that.

Given all the candidates out there, I see him as the best of the bunch, but it isn't hard to be best of the bunch as the rest are that bad.

I think it would be our finest hour to have an African-American as president.

All things considered, there's nothing wrong with assessing his policy proposals and taking issue with those where it makes sense to me.

Capiche?

 

[Colonel Ronan]

You just made my day.

 

[Dumpy]

He's a good public speaker, but that does not necessarily make a good president. Unfortunately, the goal of the game cvalled politics is to get elected, not to necessarily tell the truth or explain your views, so there is never much to go on. Remember how President Bush ran on a platform describing himself as a "compassionate conservative" and one who would "reach across the aisle" to work with Democrats? It's all bullshit.

 

[Denny Crane]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 30 2008, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's a good public speaker, but that does not necessarily make a good president. Unfortunately, the goal of the game cvalled politics is to get elected, not to necessarily tell the truth or explain your views, so there is never much to go on. Remember how President Bush ran on a platform describing himself as a "compassionate conservative" and one who would "reach across the aisle" to work with Democrats? It's all bullshit.</div>


Well, reaching across the aisle won't work if the other side was intent on destroying you since before he was sworn in.

I'm not at all suggesting the Republicans will be as willing to work with Obama.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 30 2008, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's a good public speaker, but that does not necessarily make a good president. Unfortunately, the goal of the game cvalled politics is to get elected, not to necessarily tell the truth or explain your views, so there is never much to go on. Remember how President Bush ran on a platform describing himself as a "compassionate conservative" and one who would "reach across the aisle" to work with Democrats? It's all bullshit.</div>


Well, reaching across the aisle won't work if the other side was intent on destroying you since before he was sworn in.

I'm not at all suggesting the Republicans will be as willing to work with Obama.
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If you go back seven years and check the newspaper and magazine archives, I think you'll find that is not completely accurate.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think if you go back 8 years and check the newspaper and magazine archives, you'll find they were calling him illegitimate, selected, and a few other words suggesting they weren't going to work with him. When 9/11 happened, they were willing to pretend they were OK with him (due to his popularity ratings), but kept their powder dry. I think they saw what happened to Richard Gere at the 9/11 benefit when he ripped Bush and got booed off the stage (and a NYC policeman told him he could kiss his Irish ass), they figured they'd have to do something more like a chinese water torture move on him.

Not that the republicans were any better with Clinton.

 

[DolfanDale]

What irritates me the most about Obama is how he insults my intelligence with his change propaganda. Obama is a typical politician and his sleeziness shouldn't be underestimated. I'm sure McCain knows better after Obama tried to swiftboat McCain's military record. How Bush-league, Mr. Obama! My favorite move is how quickly Obama his commitment to public campaign financing once he realized how much money his campaign was making. Why win an election based on the issues when you can buy it outright? What a jackass. I'm not sure there's a huge difference between either candidate, except that Obama doesn't have the experience that a president should have and his plan for immediate withdrawl from Iraq is irresponsible, so don't try to sell me some stupid notion of Washington being different after this election. (I don't like us being in Iraq, but I don't think we can just leave it now.)

Before people accuse me of being a racist (that will happen because people tend to make baseless accusations when they don't possess the intellectual acuity to debate points), let me say that I have no problem with a black man being president. However, just because Barack Obama is a black man that doesn't make him the right man. Personally, there was a time when I had hope that Colin Powell might be that man (not because of his race, but the content of his character), but since the Cheney administration set Powell up, by having him present the case for invading Iraq, I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[Vintage]

What people need to understand is .... Denny Crane.

He could run for office himself, and yet, he'd come in here, make a thread disagreeing with his own policies/beliefs.

 

[Denny Crane]

Colin Powell would have made a great president, no doubt.

If Obama isn't a right kind of guy, I'm not sure you can find any others.

 

[shookem]

good luck reworking NAFTA there asshole.

maybe instead of day-tripping through europe you say hi to the guys upstairs.

i can't stand him. the whole campaign feels like a giant drawn out episode of Oprah.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jul 30 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What irritates me the most about Obama is how he insults my intelligence with his change propaganda. Obama is a typical politician and his sleeziness shouldn't be underestimated. I'm sure McCain knows better after Obama tried to swiftboat McCain's military record. How Bush-league, Mr. Obama!</div>


Heh heh! Bush's team did swiftboat a candidate one time. That was a great pun, Dale!

 

[The Return of the Raider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shookem @ Jul 30 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i can't stand him. the whole campaign feels like a giant drawn out episode of Oprah.</div>


LOL, another zinger! Keep em coming guys, this stuff is great today!

 

[Denny Crane]

My biggest hope for an Obama presidency is the STFU factor. Air America: STFU. DailyKOS: STFU. All the Bush haters: STFU.

Basically, you got your guy, if it turns to shit, don't blame me.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 30 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What people need to understand is .... Denny Crane.

He could run for office himself, and yet, he'd come in here, make a thread disagreeing with his own policies/beliefs.

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I think Denny would have the guts to repeal income tax. He's got my vote already.

 

[Denny Crane]

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[Vintage]

Awesome...

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Love the response to "Hillary".

 

[DolfanDale]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 30 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jul 30 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What irritates me the most about Obama is how he insults my intelligence with his change propaganda. Obama is a typical politician and his sleeziness shouldn't be underestimated. I'm sure McCain knows better after Obama tried to swiftboat McCain's military record. How Bush-league, Mr. Obama!</div>


Heh heh! Bush's team did swiftboat a candidate one time. That was a great pun, Dale!
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Actually, Dubya tried to swiftboat McCain's military record during the primaries several years ago as well, so it was a multi-layered pun.

 

[shookem]

he just seems like a decent opposition leader but not the dude i'd like running your country.

 

[DolfanDale]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Colin Powell would have made a great president, no doubt.

If Obama isn't a right kind of guy, I'm not sure you can find any others.</div>

My point is that Obama just claims to be the right kind of guy and he does a good job of projecting that image. That doesn't make it so. If you look at his actions, Obama is just another typical politician. He should feel right in place in Washington.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div></div>

Wow, his Hillary response was a classic.

 

[sunsfan1357]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jul 30 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What irritates me the most about Obama is how he insults my intelligence with his change propaganda. Obama is a typical politician and his sleeziness shouldn't be underestimated. I'm sure McCain knows better after Obama tried to swiftboat McCain's military record. How Bush-league, Mr. Obama! My favorite move is how quickly Obama his commitment to public campaign financing once he realized how much money his campaign was making. Why win an election based on the issues when you can buy it outright? What a jackass. I'm not sure there's a huge difference between either candidate, except that Obama doesn't have the experience that a president should have and his plan for immediate withdrawl from Iraq is irresponsible, so don't try to sell me some stupid notion of Washington being different after this election. (I don't like us being in Iraq, but I don't think we can just leave it now.)

Before people accuse me of being a racist (that will happen because people tend to make baseless accusations when they don't possess the intellectual acuity to debate points), let me say that I have no problem with a black man being president. However, just because Barack Obama is a black man that doesn't make him the right man. Personally, there was a time when I had hope that Colin Powell might be that man (not because of his race, but the content of his character), but since the Cheney administration set Powell up, by having him present the case for invading Iraq, I doubt that will ever happen.</div>

Again, how did Obama try to swiftboat McCain's military record? I'm aware of General Wesley Clark's comments and I don't see anything wrong with what he said. He said he respects McCain's time of service and time as P.O.W. but that alone doesn't qualify him to be president, especially considering the gaffes McCain has made when discussing foreign policy. About the public financing, I don't see what's wrong with using the money that MILLIONS of people volunteered to give to try and better the campaign. Frankly I believe Obama needs the money to get his face out to the public more since he is still relatively unknown on the political scene to most of America. With McCain's recent advertisements it's hard to argue that he is making it a campaign based on issues seeing as how he has repeatedly questioned Obama's patriotism. How is Obama's plan for a 16 month withdrawal based on conditions on the ground irresponsible? Even McCain said that it makes sense and the Bush administration is finally giving in on time "horizons". No one is saying that Obama is the right man because he's a black man, people are saying he's the right man because he's the most competent out of the two. Before you accuse me of being an Obama lover (which you may assume based on my response) I am not. I once was but given his recent positional changes on FISA and gun control I'm questioning of whether or not I will vote at all.

 

[Real]

The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief.

In short, it was bullshit.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief.

In short, it was bullshit.</div>

No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief.

In short, it was bullshit.</div>

No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out.
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This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief.

In short, it was bullshit.</div>

No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out.
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This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service.
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Most of what he said was quite valid.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief.

In short, it was bullshit.</div>

No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out.
</div>

This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service.
</div>

Most of what he said was quite valid.
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It's still hypocritical and ironic that he backs Obama to be Commander in Chief.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Between Obama and McCain, who do you feel is the most competant?

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief.

In short, it was bullshit.</div>

No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out.
</div>

This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service.
</div>

Most of what he said was quite valid.
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It's still hypocritical and ironic that he backs Obama to be Commander in Chief.
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I don't see the big deal to be honest. The only dubious comment was when he referred to his POW years. I wouldn't have said that, but so what? That's not the important point.

 

[Chutney]

That "reaching across the parties" rhetoric has always been hollow no matter who's said it (and both parties have). America's two party system is so entrenched and people are so committed to meaningless party affiliations that I don't see it being possible for a long time.