Funny I get call a racist.

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Do

Hope you get that fixed up soon.

I’m so sick of how expensive healthcare is. I would support Trump forever if he get fully behind universal HC. I’d go to his white-pride rallies and sport his hat.

I’d support anyone at this point. It’s just wrong and America is much worse off because we put private enterprise above heath of the citizens.

I’m not sure how I feel about universal health care. I agree in principle, the worst health care I’ve seen was in Canada now granted it was about 11 years ago now but I had a friend who needed back surgery and it took them 2 years to actually give him the freaking surgery because of the health care system. Now I’m not saying that means the system as a whole wasn’t working but he basically couldn’t walk for 2 years of his life he was put on a list had to wait it out.

Now on the other hand my income is high enough it makes it so we basically cant get on any of the government health stuff here, and our medical bills are more than our house payments every month... My wife has had to have a few surgeries, and our middle kid has had some health issues. Next up my wife has another surgery in the morning (hopefully it’s the last...). So yeah I’d love it if we didn’t have to deal with the insurances crap for them to tell us they won’t cover most of something because they don’t want too.

Anyways I agree we need to do something with our healthcare system, but I’m also not sure if just having the government do it, ‘fixes’ it.

 

[yankeesince59]

The few Canadians I've spoken to don't seem to have a problem with their health care system....as far as us doing something along the same lines, on one hand I think it would be better and on the other hand it might be worse.

...but I definitely believe that after 50 years of working and paying taxes/SS an elderly person should not have to worry about wiping out their life savings for a 1 month hospital stay.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The few Canadians I've spoken to don't seem to have a problem with their health care system....as far as us doing something along the same lines, on one hand I think it would be better and on the other hand it might be worse.

...but I definitely believe that after 50 years of working and paying taxes/SS an elderly person should not have to worry about wiping out their life savings for a 1 month hospital stay.

I absolutely understand that this one instance doesn’t necessarily mean That Canada’s healthcare system is altogether bad. I know it works well in other cases. It’s anecdotal.
I believe changes need to happen, maybe it’s Obamacare, or a version of that. I’d be willing to try different things to make it work for people cause right now it clearly doesn’t.

I would have trepidation about handing it over to the government completely and saying ok you guys do it, who knows maybe in the end that’s the best way to handle it, I don’t know.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^ Agreed.

 

[riverman]

Keeping a population healthy benefits everyone...especially when something airborne like SARS happens....your kids breathe the same air as that uninsured kid in the classroom. You breathe the same air as that guy behind you in the checkout counter. Taiwan financed national health care from a 6 percent sales tax and what amounted to about 20 bucks per month per family. To see a doctor there costed me about 4 dollars....every time I see a doctor here he bills for 500 bucks...even if it's a 10 minute visit. Our health care system is broken....2 days in an emergency room recently cost me over 18 thousand dollars....insurance covered all except about 1 thousand out of pocket but I applied for insurance in the marketplace...good thing I did. Getting sick in America can gut a working families life savings quickly. If we want America to be a great place to live...we need to make sure everyone here has access to health care...to not do that is a huge gamble assuming no enterovirus enters the community. If you spend money you contribute to the kitty...seems pretty simple to me.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Keeping a population healthy benefits everyone...especially when something airborne like SARS happens....your kids breathe the same air as that uninsured kid in the classroom. You breathe the same air as that guy behind you in the checkout counter. Taiwan financed national health care from a 6 percent sales tax and what amounted to about 20 bucks per month per family. To see a doctor there costed me about 4 dollars....every time I see a doctor here he bills for 500 bucks...even if it's a 10 minute visit. Our health care system is broken....2 days in an emergency room recently cost me over 18 thousand dollars....insurance covered all except about 1 thousand out of pocket but I applied for insurance in the marketplace...good thing I did. Getting sick in America can gut a working families life savings quickly. If we want America to be a great place to live...we need to make sure everyone here has access to health care...to not do that is a huge gamble assuming no enterovirus enters the community. If you spend money you contribute to the kitty...seems pretty simple to me.

We pay about 1300 a month in medical bills right now. I make pretty good money, but I’m telling you it can get rough to make those payments when we have 3 young kids and the cause of those medical bills has made it so my wife doesn’t work any more. So yup I totally get that health care is expensive as heck. After my wifes surgery in the morning, they say that’s the last she should need. She’s way beyond her out of pocket max, but providence has gone to fighting us on every thing saying they won’t cover it, I don’t want to say to much about her health but it has been some pretty serious issues.

Even with all that I still have some trepidation about full on government health care. I’m not saying it won’t work, it might. I just admit I’m kind of nervous about it. Im not really a big government guy though I understand it has advantages.

Edit: also all the healthcare costs have definitely caused a lot of changes and we don’t have much of a savings account anymore.

 

[yankeesince59]

Keeping a population healthy benefits everyone...especially when something airborne like SARS happens....your kids breathe the same air as that uninsured kid in the classroom. You breathe the same air as that guy behind you in the checkout counter. Taiwan financed national health care from a 6 percent sales tax and what amounted to about 20 bucks per month per family. To see a doctor there costed me about 4 dollars....every time I see a doctor here he bills for 500 bucks...even if it's a 10 minute visit. Our health care system is broken....2 days in an emergency room recently cost me over 18 thousand dollars....insurance covered all except about 1 thousand out of pocket but I applied for insurance in the marketplace...good thing I did. Getting sick in America can gut a working families life savings quickly. If we want America to be a great place to live...we need to make sure everyone here has access to health care...to not do that is a huge gamble assuming no enterovirus enters the community. If you spend money you contribute to the kitty...seems pretty simple to me.

We pay about 1300 a month in medical bills right now. I make pretty good money, but I’m telling you it can get rough to make those payments when we have 3 young kids and the cause of those medical bills has made it so my wife doesn’t work any more. So yup I totally get that health care is expensive as heck. After my wifes surgery in the morning, they say that’s the last she should need. She’s way beyond her out of pocket max, but providence has gone to fighting us on every thing saying they won’t cover it, I don’t want to say to much about her health but it has been some pretty serious issues.

Even with all that I still have some trepidation about full on government health care. I’m not saying it won’t work, it might. I just admit I’m kind of nervous about it. Im not really a big government guy though I understand it has advantages.

Edit: also all the healthcare costs have definitely caused a lot of changes and we don’t have much of a savings account anymore.

^^^Ditto, what they said.

 

[dviss1]

Look I get the whole I don't want to pay for my ancestors deeds spiel. I do. But, the fact remains, the system of opression that this country was built on, persists; one that benefits white men above all others. The United States has made long strides, but there is still a ways to go.

Chris you know me bro... Have I ever said anything like this?
Do you truly think I believe this shit?

I am fine thank you. I am just pointing out the stance dviss takes day after day is also preached by a known organization.
Where the white man is seen as the devil. He probably did not invent the idea, just follows the lead.

Thanks for your opinion. How long have you been reading what dviss says? He has be telling me I am a racist, that white men owe him for about 12 years now. I am sort of surprise it took so long to identify a possible source of his tactics and tenacity.

It's not all white people that I hate @MarAzul...

Just the racist ones...

Get your mind right because your posts are getting crazier by the day..

 

[MARIS61]

@MarAzul always tries to get me banned... He's trying to with this thread... (He'll deny it)

But tries to say I'm trying to get him banned (whilst simultaneously dry snitching) saying:

"Flag the thread's you find this for @PtldPlatypus With @SlyPokerDog's help you can get me banned.
Man! That could make you something."

1. You flatter yourself too much.
2. I see through your crap.
3. Let's just stop replying to each other. It's that easy.

 

[MarAzul]

Just the racist ones...

MLK or Maclcom?

 

[MARIS61]

Look I get the whole I don't want to pay for my ancestors deeds spiel. I do. But, the fact remains, the system of opression that this country was built on, persists; one that benefits white men above all others. The United States has made long strides, but there is still a ways to go.

Every country in the world has racism, but America has less than almost anywhere else.

The only way to end racism is to stop looking backwards, because you're not going to find a racist-free society anywhere in the rear-view mirror.

Heroes look forward, cowards look back.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Chris you know me bro... Have I ever said anything like this?
Do you truly think I believe this shit?





It's not all white people that I hate @MarAzul...

Just the racist ones...

Get your mind right because your posts are getting crazier by the day..

I don't know why lately I'm posting so much in OT and reading this stuff, I need the basketball season to start.
I'm sorry if this post ends up convoluted, I am pretty opinionated on racial issues, but I'm also really tired, been a long couple weeks.

So here's some of my thoughts. It's not so much that you believe white people need to pay for their past deeds, it's that there is a small minority of people do and say it. This makes the leadership (mostly on the right) jump up and say to rural white America. Hey these minorities, these inner-city people are after your stuff! Your money, your kids' chances at an education, your 'whatever'. To a rural white person who may hardly ever even see a person of color it makes sense to them, not because they don't want minorities to have the same rights as them, it's because they have never really seen racism other than in history books, they view these things as 'special rights' as answers to problems that don't believe exist any more. A lot of them really believe that racism is dead, because they don't see it, they don't experience it, their friends don't experience it, they have no reference for it's reality today. Then when they hear about affirmative action, and the equal rights programs and laws that are out there, they say hey why should a black kid get into this school, it should've been my kid. I know it sounds like I'm just making an excuse for 'rural' white america, but when you try to understand why they make 'think' these things I (maybe because I'm white) understand it at least a little. - For the record I grew up in North Portland (St. Johns area, and Downtown Portland), but I have lived in Vernonia for a time, Albera CA, and back to Cornelius (that's where I've picked up my frame of reference). This is actually what pisses me off about the leadership on the right when it comes to race, it's fear-mongering, it's the hey whenever you help them out it's at the cost of you're livelihood, or your kids' chances at an education. Now obviously it's pretty easy for us to call that crap for what it is, and honestly seeing as how you're black you've felt it more than I ever will, but many people just don't ever actually see it and it's hard for them to understand it isn't just a problem that we once had, but a problem that still exists.

Now I believe the leadership on the left have a lot of their own issues (some regarding race) too, but I also believe that a healthy discourse is the right way to go. I think both minorities and white people have to learn have tough conversations that may make both sides uncomfortable, without throwing out insults.

-A lot of this isn't directed "at" you.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Every country in the world has racism, but America has less than almost anywhere else.

The only way to end racism is to stop looking backwards, because you're not going to find a racist-free society anywhere in the rear-view mirror.

Heroes look forward, cowards look back.

It doesn't matter what way you're looking, it matters if you actually care about the plight of other people that's how you stop racism. You teach generations to care about what Black people feel, what white people feel, what other people feel. You teach generations to treat everyone as their equal. You won't stop racism by ignoring our nations history, when has breeding ignorance helped make racism not a problem?

 

[dviss1]

So the creator of the thread...

Who really wants to know the definition of what a racist is...

Labels MLK and Malcolm racists...

Who'da thunk?

 

[dviss1]

I don't know why lately I'm posting so much in OT and reading this stuff, I need the basketball season to start.
I'm sorry if this post ends up convoluted, I am pretty opinionated on racial issues, but I'm also really tired, been a long couple weeks.

So here's some of my thoughts. It's not so much that you believe white people need to pay for their past deeds, it's that there is a small minority of people do and say it. This makes the leadership (mostly on the right) jump up and say to rural white America. Hey these minorities, these inner-city people are after your stuff! Your money, your kids' chances at an education, your 'whatever'. To a rural white person who may hardly ever even see a person of color it makes sense to them, not because they don't want minorities to have the same rights as them, it's because they have never really seen racism other than in history books, they view these things as 'special rights' as answers to problems that don't believe exist any more. A lot of them really believe that racism is dead, because they don't see it, they don't experience it, their friends don't experience it, they have no reference for it's reality today. Then when they hear about affirmative action, and the equal rights programs and laws that are out there, they say hey why should a black kid get into this school, it should've been my kid. I know it sounds like I'm just making an excuse for 'rural' white america, but when you try to understand why they make 'think' these things I (maybe because I'm white) understand it at least a little. - For the record I grew up in North Portland (St. Johns area, and Downtown Portland), but I have lived in Vernonia for a time, Albera CA, and back to Cornelius (that's where I've picked up my frame of reference). This is actually what pisses me off about the leadership on the right when it comes to race, it's fear-mongering, it's the hey whenever you help them out it's at the cost of you're livelihood, or your kids' chances at an education. Now obviously it's pretty easy for us to call that crap for what it is, and honestly seeing as how you're black you've felt it more than I ever will, but many people just don't ever actually see it and it's hard for them to understand it isn't just a problem that we once had, but a problem that still exists.

Now I believe the leadership on the left have a lot of their own issues (some regarding race) too, but I also believe that a healthy discourse is the right way to go. I think both minorities and white people have to learn have tough conversations that may make both sides uncomfortable, without throwing out insults.

-A lot of this isn't directed "at" you.

Look. Information is easy to attain if you want it.

Denying it and staying in an alcove of ignorance is the fault of the ignorant.

 

[THE HCP]

Quit wasting your time on these motherfuckers. WHy is this thread allowed on this forum. This way of thinking makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Orion Bailey]

This fucking rocks.


I thought if I left the forum would get better, since I ruined it.


Meh......

 

[MarAzul]

staying in an alcove of ignorance is the fault of the ignorant.

Very good.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Look. Information is easy to attain if you want it.

Denying it and staying in an alcove of ignorance is the fault of the ignorant.

Information is easy to obtain, good information is much harder to obtain. How many people post things on here from Fox News and use that as their information? I’d say the same about CNN or many of the other ‘news’ outlets that are very heavily pushing their agenda instead of truth. I’d venture to guess that a huge majority of us find people we agree with and listen to them and eat up the media that fits with our views. Then claim the ones we don’t agree with are full of crap, or worse. It’s psychology.

I’m not excusing ignorance, I’m just saying that if we want progress everyone needs to try to see and understand why someone else thinks the things they think. Just saying, well they’re ignorant ****’s isn’t going to help.

I know there are a lot of people that don’t want equal rights for whites and blacks, or men and woman and those are the ones that I would call racists or sexists. There are some people that enter the conversation get called out for being an SJW or Ignorant or whatever and quickly leave the arena.

I firmly stand on the side of wanting equal rights. I can tell there are some people here who don’t seem all that interested in that. Which is disgusting.

I enjoy talking to you about racial matters, I have black friends but if I’m being honest they don’t seem as passionate about the race problem as you are. I’m sorry if this comes off as disrespectful, as I do respect you, I’d love to meet you some day, you seem like a great father, and all around good guy. I take race issues seriously, and I know I’m somewhat ignorant, so thank you for helping educate me on the subject.

 

[H.C.]

Are these images derogatory/racist?

 

[dviss1]

It doesn't matter what way you're looking, it matters if you actually care about the plight of other people that's how you stop racism. You teach generations to care about what Black people feel, what white people feel, what other people feel. You teach generations to treat everyone as their equal. You won't stop racism by ignoring our nations history, when has breeding ignorance helped make racism not a problem?

You'd have to want that. Some... just don't.

 

[Chris Craig]

Wait, this thread isn't locked up yet?

 

[MarAzul]

Wait, this thread isn't locked up yet?

View attachment 22212

It must be an oversight.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You'd have to want that. Some... just don't.

This should be on the “girly” things I do thread, but the truth in that one line has made me genuinely sad... I just keep coming back and reading it, because I guess I enjoy being sad or some crap. Sigh. I’m thinking it’s time for my retirement from a short career in the off-topic section, I’ve got nothing of value to add to the conversation. I hope the best for all of you guys, I’m going to go talk about sports.