Funny I get call a racist.

[MarAzul]

find some common ground and accept that someone else might not agree with you

Thank you for your insight river. I learned something in the other thread. I identified the similarity in the years of attack I have receive from one poster. I see no common ground to be had, but the source of his style is more clear. I think I shall not care in the future when he directs it at me. But I will jump his shit when he directs it at some other unsuspecting member.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I tried to get help with the VA from Senator Wydens office, several calls to staff, but no response. I finally did get help from the Veterans advocate in Coos County. She had called connections in the Roseburg Hospital and they got the Northbend Clinic to schedule me in, two weeks from today. That is only 2 months and week after the initial trouble began. I guess the Roseburg people had to schedule another provider to work North Bend so they could schedule me.


Yes this does piss me off. It pisses me off to have a carpetbagger Senator that does not give a shit. It pisses me off that the VA is still so poorly managed. It pisses me off to have dviss tell me I (white men) owe him, when he is just regurgitating the rot preached by the Nation of Islam. He may not know the source, but he does it.

I am pretty happy otherwise, thanks for asking.

I feel for you. I also went through the system run around. Just go into the emergency room at the PDX OHSU, the y will get you in that day

 

[Propagandist]

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I tried to get help with the VA from Senator Wydens office, several calls to staff, but no response. I finally did get help from the Veterans advocate in Coos County. She had called connections in the Roseburg Hospital and they got the Northbend Clinic to schedule me in, two weeks from today. That is only 2 months and week after the initial trouble began. I guess the Roseburg people had to schedule another provider to work North Bend so they could schedule me.


Yes this does piss me off. It pisses me off to have a carpetbagger Senator that does not give a shit. It pisses me off that the VA is still so poorly managed. It pisses me off to have dviss tell me I (white men) owe him, when he is just regurgitating the rot preached by the Nation of Islam. He may not know the source, but he does it.

I am pretty happy otherwise, thanks for asking.

Thanks for you opinion. How long have you been reading what dviss says? He has be telling me I am a racist, that white men owe him for about 12 years now. I am sort of surprise it took so long to identify a possible source of his tactics and tenacity.

The complexity here is a bit daunting...but let me just say I hear this sentiment from my father, who I love dearly and who, like you, does not appreciate the finger pointed his way. He has done nothing wrong, he intimates. And for the most part, I can agree with him. He doesn't want to pay for his great grandfather's sins. Okay, I get it.

However, this isn't about you, or him. This isn't even your story. Shocking as it may seem, there is a bit of prejudice in this country. Everyone would be sorry to hear of your terrible experience with the VA. It seems you have served your country and nobody much seems to appreciate it. You could argue that the system in place is not built to make things easy for you, and instead of helping, in fact, takes its toll, all while just being its impartial self, and being there for our Vets! This, my friend, is the USA for many of its citizens; saying one thing, but very much being structured to the contrary. You understand much more than you think what it's like to be on the outside looking in.

 

[MarAzul]

Just go into the emergency room at the PDX OHSU, the y will get you in that day

Yeah, I thought of that. But that does not get anything fixed. It is an option I am aware of if needed.

 

[dviss1]

Name calling period is the problem here...needs to stop...nobody has a right to define anyone here with personal attacks or judgements...in even starting a thread with this title it's practicing divisive behavior and inviting a response that could never be one of gaining understanding or making peace. What should have been a civil discussion became a pissing contest Marz….and this thread really should be titled...you don't like dviss..or you have issues with certain religious groups..Sly was right to lock the other thread because it became what it shouldn't have...a rude pissing contest...find some common ground and accept that someone else might not agree with you...or just agree to disagree in a thread...I suggest you use the ignore function and move on

You really need to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I've known his style since the OLive days.

He truly does not ever want to really have a constructive conversation about this. He's still blaming affirmative action for his daughter not getting into her college of choice.

He's angry.

 

[MarAzul]

I hear this sentiment from my father, who I love dearly and who, like you, does not appreciate the finger pointed his way. He has done nothing wrong, he intimates. And for the most part, I can agree with him. He doesn't want to pay for his great grandfather's sins. Okay, I get it.

>>> Well actually Grandfather did not commit the sins either. Probably, this is also the case for most of the people in this country today. Both of my grandfathers, a Grandmother and father came to this country in the last century. Father here only a short while, part of the team paying the dues in the Pacific.

You understand much more than you think what it's like to be on the outside looking in.

Yes I do, and if you give up the hate you don't have to look in, you can do what you do best. Perhaps even create art, but the heartache of hate, must go first.

I appreciate your comments. Well done.

 

[riverman]

You really need to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I try and encourage him dviss…..as I did my father...and lead by example. I think anger is the wrong approach to problem solving across the board...I know because I have been a very angry person in my younger days and now that I'm old...it seems pretty futile. Try to find common ground where I can. Sometimes that means using the ignore button around here so I apply it for the purpose of enjoying the place. I truly believe history does not have to repeat itself...several posters here have me on ignore and it doesn't bother me..it's better than getting angry again.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I’d actually love to have a real discussion with people about what is and isn’t racism, what makes someone racist. I understand sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes I see people get ‘blasted’ for it when I’m not quite sure, or I don’t see it.

Here’s the thing though... I see it as very important to treat people as well as I can. I’m white, I’m a male and while I don’t believe at all I’m responsible for what other white people now or in the past have done, I am responsible for what I do.

I am a Christian, which deservedly at times comes with a negative connotation next to it. I am not on here to tell anyone how to live, or convert people, or tell any of you, you’re wrong for the way you live. We all make choices based on our experiences in life for me it led to this.

To the point, there’s a respectful way to talk about racism and a disrespectful way. I don’t have the right to tell ANYONE how to feel, what can offend them. Minorities have had a tough fight in America (and honestly this is true in most countries), and I think as part of the ‘majority’ I have a responsibility to treat them well. This isn’t to say I need to walk on egg shells around them, it means I treat them like they’re just as valuable as I am, that their plight, their fight is important and I support them as they work there way out of it.

Just saying I want to talk about racism, but then dictate the conversation to ‘them’ like I can tell them what they’re allowed to be upset about is not a conversation, it’s crap...

 

[julius]

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I'm hope things start working out for you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I tried to get help with the VA from Senator Wydens office, several calls to staff, but no response. I finally did get help from the Veterans advocate in Coos County. She had called connections in the Roseburg Hospital and they got the Northbend Clinic to schedule me in, two weeks from today. That is only 2 months and week after the initial trouble began. I guess the Roseburg people had to schedule another provider to work North Bend so they could schedule me.


Yes this does piss me off. It pisses me off to have a carpetbagger Senator that does not give a shit. It pisses me off that the VA is still so poorly managed. It pisses me off to have dviss tell me I (white men) owe him, when he is just regurgitating the rot preached by the Nation of Islam. He may not know the source, but he does it.

I am pretty happy otherwise, thanks for asking.

I love you and @Lanny but you both live in million dollar homes, both have your shit together and you both put up with shitty care from the VA. For god sake, crack open the piggy bank and get yourself some decent healthcare.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm hope things start working out for you.

Sitka in the spring.

 

[BonesJones]

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I tried to get help with the VA from Senator Wydens office, several calls to staff, but no response. I finally did get help from the Veterans advocate in Coos County. She had called connections in the Roseburg Hospital and they got the Northbend Clinic to schedule me in, two weeks from today. That is only 2 months and week after the initial trouble began. I guess the Roseburg people had to schedule another provider to work North Bend so they could schedule me.


Yes this does piss me off. It pisses me off to have a carpetbagger Senator that does not give a shit. It pisses me off that the VA is still so poorly managed. It pisses me off to have dviss tell me I (white men) owe him, when he is just regurgitating the rot preached by the Nation of Islam. He may not know the source, but he does it.

I am pretty happy otherwise, thanks for asking.

The VA made my mom go through hell after my dad suffered a traumatic brain injury. We were dirt poor and the VA contributed to it... And you know what my mom did? Treated people with respect, and didn't become a victim of her circumstances. She actually went to a couple conventions just to create connections to be able to get a meeting with someone high enough to listen to her. She changed things for the better for so many people. What does she do now? Shes a nurse, and a damn good one. She takes great care of people.

Meanwhile, you've been off the rails lately because of this...? Really? No matter what the cause, the stuff you've been posted has been horrible lately.

You single-handedly ruin the OT section for me, and it's not because I don't agree with your views.

 

[Hoopguru]

I thought a vet could go to any doc they want now?

 

[riverman]

I’d actually love to have a real discussion with people about what is and isn’t racism, what makes someone racist. I understand sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes I see people get ‘blasted’ for it when I’m not quite sure, or I don’t see it.

Here’s the thing though... I see it as very important to treat people as well as I can. I’m white, I’m a male and while I don’t believe at all I’m responsible for what other white people now or in the past have done, I am responsible for what I do.

I am a Christian, which deservedly at times comes with a negative connotation next to it. I am not on here to tell anyone how to live, or convert people, or tell any of you, you’re wrong for the way you live. We all make choices based on our experiences in life for me it led to this.

To the point, there’s a respectful way to talk about racism and a disrespectful way. I don’t have the right to tell ANYONE how to feel, what can offend them. Minorities have had a tough fight in America (and honestly this is true in most countries), and I think as part of the ‘majority’ I have a responsibility to treat them well. This isn’t to say I need to walk on egg shells around them, it means I treat them like they’re just as valuable as I am, that their plight, their fight is important and I support them as they work there way out of it.

Just saying I want to talk about racism, but then dictate the conversation to ‘them’ like I can tell them what they’re allowed to be upset about is not a conversation, it’s crap...

The original thread "what is racism" actually was headed in that direction until it became a pissing contest...too many threads have this endgame...sad

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The original thread "what is racism" actually was headed in that direction until it became a pissing contest...too many threads have this endgame...sad

It’s why I’m hesitant to be in the OT section or broach certain subjects online.

 

[riverman]

It’s why I’m hesitant to be in the OT section or broach certain subjects online.

I completely understand...barfo is worth the read though...I wish I had his posting skills and I keep practicing at humor but he's hilarious.

 

[H.C.]

I’d actually love to have a real discussion with people about what is and isn’t racism, what makes someone racist. I understand sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes I see people get ‘blasted’ for it when I’m not quite sure, or I don’t see it.

Here’s the thing though... I see it as very important to treat people as well as I can. I’m white, I’m a male and while I don’t believe at all I’m responsible for what other white people now or in the past have done, I am responsible for what I do.

I am a Christian, which deservedly at times comes with a negative connotation next to it. I am not on here to tell anyone how to live, or convert people, or tell any of you, you’re wrong for the way you live. We all make choices based on our experiences in life for me it led to this.

To the point, there’s a respectful way to talk about racism and a disrespectful way. I don’t have the right to tell ANYONE how to feel, what can offend them. Minorities have had a tough fight in America (and honestly this is true in most countries), and I think as part of the ‘majority’ I have a responsibility to treat them well. This isn’t to say I need to walk on egg shells around them, it means I treat them like they’re just as valuable as I am, that their plight, their fight is important and I support them as they work there way out of it.

Just saying I want to talk about racism, but then dictate the conversation to ‘them’ like I can tell them what they’re allowed to be upset about is not a conversation, it’s crap...

It's a real conundrum why a thread fails.
You're certainly not looking for dialogue when you ask a question.
Yet in your opening post imply you have the only acceptable answer to said question.
Especially when your answer is politically motivated.

That thread was shit show from the very first post. Just like this one.

 

[MarAzul]

You single-handedly ruin the OT section for me

Wow! The entire Pacific coast in both directions single handed and now this. Nearly effortless too.

 

[lawai'a]

Wow! The entire Pacific coast in both directions single handed and now this. Nearly effortless too.

many cod, halibut,salmon and albacore fishermen annually and bi-annually brother, but admittedly not under sail. implied disbelief i presume? lol, i have spent nearly my entire adult life on the water fishing for a living. if it makes you prouder of your own accomplishments i will add that boats often run out of sight of one another but in frequent radio contact. have even crossed straight from newport to dutch harbor, 10 days, though not single handed. have you?

 

[MarAzul]

have even crossed straight from newport to dutch harbor, 10 days, though not single handed. have you?

No. I am planning Astoria to Sitka in the Spring.

Maybe I should say, Scappoose to Sitka.

 

[lawai'a]

i alluded in another post to you that this is a port that i never made call in and still wish i had. i have known a few exemplary fishermen from there, dedicated to their industry and maintaining the highest standard of maintenance on their vessels. many wooden halibut, black cod, and salmon boats called sitka home. i am envious of your plans to visit there. be safe.

 

[CupWizier]

No. I am planning Astoria to Sitka in the Spring.

Maybe I should say, Scappoose to Sitka.

Weren't you going to sail around the world also?

 

[yankeesince59]

No. I am planning Astoria to Sitka in the Spring.

Maybe I should say, Scappoose to Sitka.

...I envy you...I'd love to take that trip.

 

[Chris Craig]

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I tried to get help with the VA from Senator Wydens office, several calls to staff, but no response. I finally did get help from the Veterans advocate in Coos County. She had called connections in the Roseburg Hospital and they got the Northbend Clinic to schedule me in, two weeks from today. That is only 2 months and week after the initial trouble began. I guess the Roseburg people had to schedule another provider to work North Bend so they could schedule me.


Yes this does piss me off. It pisses me off to have a carpetbagger Senator that does not give a shit. It pisses me off that the VA is still so poorly managed. It pisses me off to have dviss tell me I (white men) owe him, when he is just regurgitating the rot preached by the Nation of Islam. He may not know the source, but he does it.

I am pretty happy otherwise, thanks for asking.

Hiatal hernia perhaps? I have one, 5cm and it is a bitch at times. The pain mimics angina. Feels like I am having a heart attack sometimes. I'm taking pills till I get surgery to fix it. I genuinely hope that you get to feeling better.

 

[Chris Craig]

Thanks for your opinion. How long have you been reading what dviss says? He has be telling me I am a racist, that white men owe him for about 12 years now. I am sort of surprise it took so long to identify a possible source of his tactics and tenacity.

Look I get the whole I don't want to pay for my ancestors deeds spiel. I do. But, the fact remains, the system of opression that this country was built on, persists; one that benefits white men above all others. The United States has made long strides, but there is still a ways to go.

 

[Chris Craig]

I feel for you. I also went through the system run around. Just go into the emergency room at the PDX OHSU, the y will get you in that day

You go to any emergency room they will get you in the same day. At least I should hope so. That said, OHSU is the best hospital in Portland.

 

[Chris Craig]

I’d actually love to have a real discussion with people about what is and isn’t racism, what makes someone racist. I understand sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes I see people get ‘blasted’ for it when I’m not quite sure, or I don’t see it.

Here’s the thing though... I see it as very important to treat people as well as I can. I’m white, I’m a male and while I don’t believe at all I’m responsible for what other white people now or in the past have done, I am responsible for what I do.

I am a Christian, which deservedly at times comes with a negative connotation next to it. I am not on here to tell anyone how to live, or convert people, or tell any of you, you’re wrong for the way you live. We all make choices based on our experiences in life for me it led to this.

To the point, there’s a respectful way to talk about racism and a disrespectful way. I don’t have the right to tell ANYONE how to feel, what can offend them. Minorities have had a tough fight in America (and honestly this is true in most countries), and I think as part of the ‘majority’ I have a responsibility to treat them well. This isn’t to say I need to walk on egg shells around them, it means I treat them like they’re just as valuable as I am, that their plight, their fight is important and I support them as they work there way out of it.

Just saying I want to talk about racism, but then dictate the conversation to ‘them’ like I can tell them what they’re allowed to be upset about is not a conversation, it’s crap...

As would I. We tried in the What is Racism thread and others before it. Simply, there are those who do not wish to have the conversation and discourse devolves into chaos.

 

[Further]

You go to any emergency room they will get you in the same day. At least I should hope so. That said, OHSU is the best hospital in Portland.

In some areas and probably overall, but I worked at OHSU for 7 years and my father taught there for 30 years. Pediatric medicine and level 1 trauma, vision, cancer and some other specialties are excellent but I would never go there for a more common general surgery. I’d go to Providence for that. OHSU docs are concerned with performing at a high level but they often are not the best at diagnosis because they don’t interact well with the patients.

 

[Chris Craig]

In some areas and probably overall, but I worked at OHSU for 7 years and my father taught there for 30 years. Pediatric medicine and level 1 trauma, vision, cancer and some other specialties are excellent but I would never go there for a more common general surgery. I’d go to Providence for that. OHSU docs are concerned with performing at a high level but they often are not the best at diagnosis because they don’t interact well with the patients.

There is a good chance you will not get a diagnosis in the emergrncy room. I went to the ermergency room twice last year thinking I was havingba heart attack. They just said it wasn't my heart, we don't know what it is, you'll survive and sent me on my way. Had an intense abodominal pain this spring. First they thought it was my appendix, then a my pancreas, then a blockage. Couldn't figure it out.

I finally had my pcp refer me to a specialist at OHSU on the waterfront. Went in got an edoscopy, found out I have a 5cm hiatal hernia that has been causing both the chest pain and abdominal pain. Also esophagitis. Turns out it hurts when your stomach bursts through your diaphragm.

 

[Further]

There is a good chance you will not get a diagnosis in the emergrncy room. I went to the ermergency room twice last year thinking I was havingba heart attack. They just said it wasn't my heart, we don't know what it is, you'll survive and sent me on my way. Had an intense abodominal pain this spring. First they thought it was my appendix, then a my pancreas, then a blockage. Couldn't figure it out.

I finally had my pcp refer me to a specialist at OHSU on the waterfront. Went in got an edoscopy, found out I have a 5cm hiatal hernia that has been causing both the chest pain and abdominal pain. Also esophagitis. Turns out it hurts when your stomach bursts through your diaphragm.

Hope you get that fixed up soon.

I’m so sick of how expensive healthcare is. I would support Trump forever if he get fully behind universal HC. I’d go to his white-pride rallies and sport his hat.

I’d support anyone at this point. It’s just wrong and America is much worse off because we put private enterprise above heath of the citizens.