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it's_GO_time said:
That is one way to look at it.

Food stamps are often sold for drug money . . . should we stop giving food stamps?
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Actually, yes.

Food stamps should be eliminated, and replaced with debit style cards that have the photo(s) of the family members allowed to purchase food on it. Connected to the register computers it would be easier to prevent certain items available at stores from being purchased (cigs, lottery tickets, alcohol, 10 bags of chips, whatever the social agencies want to control) That won't eliminate the issue, but will cut down on the abuse.

Remember, drug addicts are often lazy or tired or too drugged to expend much effort. If you make it easy they will get high constantly. If it is difficult, sometimes they will go to the trouble, sometimes not. But sure, go ahead and whip a crack pipe out of your pocket, stick it in their mouth and fire it up. I mean you haven't done anything they wouldn't have done themselves right?
 
Masbee said:
Actually, yes.

Food stamps should be eliminated, and replaced with debit style cards that have the photo(s) of the family members allowed to purchase food on it. Connected to the register computers it would be easier to prevent certain items available at stores from being purchased (cigs, lottery tickets, alcohol, 10 bags of chips, whatever the social agencies want to control) That won't eliminate the issue, but will cut down on the abuse.

Remember, drug addicts are often lazy or tired or too drugged to expend much effort. If you make it easy they will get high constantly. If it is difficult, sometimes they will go to the trouble, sometimes not. But sure, go ahead and whip a crack pipe out of your pocket, stick it in their mouth and fire it up. I mean you haven't done anything they wouldn't have done themselves right?
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Well sure if we want to get sarcastic about it, that's always fun. I like how you automatically assume that every pan handlers is a drug addict. Go ahead and label all panhandlers and homeless people drug addicts. . . what harm is there in doing that, they aren't worth shit anyways.

Remember labeling people and judging them by what they have and don't have may be easy and convenient to justify your actions, but that isn't the reality of the situation.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Well sure if we want to get sarcastic about it, that's always fun. I like how you automatically assume that every pan handlers is a drug addict. Go ahead and label all panhandlers and homeless people drug addicts. . . what harm is there in doing that, they aren't worth shit anyways.

Remember labeling people and judging them by what they have and don't have may be easy and convenient to justify your actions, but that isn't the reality of the situation.
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I don't assume that all folks on the street are drug addicts. You are mischaracterizing my posts. I never said I have that assumption.

I accept that I can't know if someone I just met on the street is an addict or any other thing about them.

Thus, I act as if that person MAY BE a drug addict, a professional panhandler, an addicted gambler, or otherwise irresponsible and/or incompetent to make right choices. So, you offer directions to help, coupons for a soup kitchen, food, etc. To give money is irresponsible.

You are naive enough to think you can know somebody that you chat with on the street.
 
Masbee said:
I don't assume that all folks on the street are drug addicts. You are mischaracterizing my posts. I never said I have that assumption.

I accept that I can't know if someone I just met on the street is an addict or any other thing about them.

Thus, I act as if that person MAY BE a drug addict, a professional panhandler, an addicted gambler, or otherwise irresponsible and/or incompetent to make right choices. So, you offer directions to help, coupons for a soup kitchen, food, etc. To give money is irresponsible.

You are naive enough to think you can know somebody that you chat with on the street.
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I guess I'll take my chance. You say irresponsible, I say I'm just human. I see a person I think truly is in need, I do what I think is right. If they are a drug addict, then my bad I guess. But for the ones I was right about, I'm happy I could help.

I will say this, I have logged in over 100 hours with Beaverton homeless people. Maybe I know a little bit about Beaverton homeless :dunno:
 
Masbee said:
I am not sure how all our anecdotes of experiences with would-be homeless / panhandlers / beggars has that much relevance to the core issue:

DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE ON THE STREET.

If you do, you are likely supporting a drug habit. There is NO WAY for you to know what the situation of a person you just met on the street really is. You have to assume they will take the cash and do something with it you wouldn't approve.

If you want to get involved, direct them to help, give them food or food vouchers directly, offer them work etc. Do not give beggars cash.

I am not sure why that is so hard for folks to grasp. It makes no difference what percentage really need help and which are scamming.

Think of it this way. We all get what we pay for.

If the collective pays for begging/panhandling we will get more begging/panhandling. The more money they get for doing the more panhandling will occur.
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Sad that you have so little faith in your fellow human beings. :sigh:

Odd that you can read their minds, know their needs and desires. After all, they're complete strangers to you. :confused:

Commendable that you never take drugs or consume alcohol yourself. :cheers:

Fortunate that you yourself have not lost everything you ever had and everyone you ever loved. :devilwink:
 
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She killed another thread on here, I wonder if she can kill this one?
 
MARIS61 said:
Sad that you have so little faith in your fellow human beings. :sigh:

Odd that you can read their minds, know their needs and desires. After all, they're complete strangers to you. :confused:

Commendable that you never take drugs or consume alcohol yourself. :cheers:

Fortunate that you yourself have not lost everything you ever had and everyone you ever loved. :devilwink:
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This post is a pile of horseshit.

Read and comprehend. Or, don't bother posting.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I guess I'll take my chance. You say irresponsible, I say I'm just human. I see a person I think truly is in need, I do what I think is right. If they are a drug addict, then my bad I guess. But for the ones I was right about, I'm happy I could help.

I will say this, I have logged in over 100 hours with Beaverton homeless people. Maybe I know a little bit about Beaverton homeless :dunno:
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I don't understand why you seem to be dead-set on giving money? You have the choice to help out by giving food or food vouchers, versus giving money. Why would you even risk the chance of giving money and having it go to drugs, if you had the option of giving food instead? It makes no sense.
 
A buck or some change isn't a big deal really. its in your pocket and you just give it out of pity...who gives a fuck if they get drugs with it. party on.
 
so has Ben even been back since this thread? I havent heard from him since.
 
Buzz Killington said:
A buck or some change isn't a big deal really. its in your pocket and you just give it out of pity...who gives a fuck if they get drugs with it. party on.
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This attitude comes from a place of ignorance and selfisness.

You give cash - not because it is the best thing for people that beg on the street - not because it is best for the community as a whole - but because it makes YOU feel good.
 
Masbee said:
This attitude comes from a place of ignorance and selfisness.

You give cash - not because it is the best thing for people that beg on the street - not because it is best for the community as a whole - but because it makes YOU feel good.
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I don't really give a shit about them to be honest. But if they want a dollar, here, take it, its really not that big of a deal.
 
BenDavis503 said:
It's not balls to harass a punk ass panhandler, it's balls in general. And I am starting to think you guys have no idea what balls really means.

I am just different from 99% of you guys. You have your ways, I have mine.
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Balls are a main component of the male reproductive system. If your different then 99% of us then I guess you got a Lance Armstrong thing going on or something like that.
 
blazerboy30 said:
I don't understand why you seem to be dead-set on giving money? You have the choice to help out by giving food or food vouchers, versus giving money. Why would you even risk the chance of giving money and having it go to drugs, if you had the option of giving food instead? It makes no sense.
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Dead set on giving money? Let's see I mentioned in this thread there are better ways to give money than just directly to the homeless. And in the post you quoted I mentioned that I have donated over a hundred hours of my time to the homeless. But you read my posts as dead set on giving money??????????

Do I give money to homeless on occassion . . . I do. I suppose I could go get them some food, but it is much easier and faster to give them money . . . I guess I'm selfish that way.
 
I have been homeless. Unless you have been there, experienced that, then you shouldn't speak Ill of those who are. The homeless population is only growing. I agree it's a sad sight. I think it's pretty pathetic that people should be placed in that position to begin with, to grovel for a warm meal. A warm place to sleep. I never panhandled when I was homeless but I have a certain respect for those who do. That's your dignity in the shitter right there.
Luckily I wasn't homeless for long. When I was I went to the soup kitchens and feeds around Portland and slept at the shelter till I could get back on my feet. It is not a fun experience, though I have learned to be grateful for what I have. For the roof over my head, my job, three meals a day.

So, when they do food drives around Portland I do my part. When I'm walking down the street and I have some change or a couple of bucks I can live without I'll give it to a homeless person. Sure, they might get a drink with it. I could give less a damn. It might not get them off the street, but it lets them know they are not alone. They are fucking people too. So go vote for fucking Bush man.
 
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I like this Ben guy
 
Jesus.... Just wasted time I'll never get back reading that OP....

What kinda piece of shit treats another human like that....?

Shameful... That really hurt my spirit...
 
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