I Need To Stop Trying To Help Y'all Gain Perspective

[dviss1]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

An Unarmed White Man Is Shot by a Cop, and Black Activists Rally

http://www.laweekly.com/news/an-unarmed-white-man-is-shot-by-a-cop-and-black-activists-rally-7216759

Why haven't we heard about this? Maybe because the media has an agenda...

Well, if they are going to make it a point to say that white lives matter then more power to them. Just don't add this guy, I think he is Asian anyway. Plus he isn't dead, yet.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...nned-texas-stop-due-disruption-145218742.html

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well, we do have a word that many of us call other people and then get angry when they call us one. Hypocrite.

Which is kinda funny when you think about how hypocritical we all can be but get butthurt about being called out on it.

 

[dviss1]

 

[dviss1]

Instead of victim blaming let's do a little role reversal:

Tulsa Cop Betty Shelby's Past Under Scrutiny After Terence Crutcher Shooting

The life and career of the white Oklahoma police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man last week is now under a microscope.

Tulsa police Officer Betty Shelby, a five-year veteran of the force, has been charged with manslaughter for fatally shooting 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on a highway.


Oklahoma police officer Betty Shelby is charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Terence Crutcher. Tulsa County via AP


A vial of PCP was found in the SUV, police said.

This is what we know about Shelby and the fatal shooting.

A helicopter pilot that circled the area during the time of the shooting called Crutcher dangerous

The Tulsa Police Department on Monday released aerial video of the incident which includes unidentified pilots telling each other that they believed the "black dude" in the scene was dangerous and "needed to be Tasered" for not following commands.

Sgt. Shane Tuell, a Tulsa police spokesman, later said Shelby did not hear those remarks about Crutcher because they weren't made over shared radio communications. And while Shelby's husband was in the chopper, it's not clear if he made any of the recorded remarks.

Crutcher family lawyer Benjamin Crump insists the SUV's windows were up, so Crutcher could not have been reaching inside as Wood contends. Also, police have confirmed that no weapons were found on the victim or in his SUV, Crump said.

In addition, Shelby was also armed with a stun gun but reached instead for her gun, The Associated Press reported.

Shelby is a drug-recognition expert and has admitted to previously using marijuana.

Before she joined the Tulsa police in 2011, Shelby was a deputy for the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office.

In her 2007 application — which was publicly disclosed Monday — she circled "yes" when asked whether she had "possessed and used illegal drugs" in the past. The sheriff's office released a letter in which Shelby described using marijuana twice at age 18 during social gatherings.

Shelby has also completed drug-recognition expert training, police have said.

Shelby was in the Oklahoma Air NationalGuard before going into law enforcement.

Shelby, according to her police job application, worked at a QuikTrip convenience store before she signed up in 1999 for a trainee program with the Oklahoma Air National Guard.

In May 2000, she left the guard after spraining her knee.

Shelby also had a brief stint as a teaching assistant in Tulsa schools in 2001 and 2002 before pursuing a bachelor of science degree in biology at Northeastern State University in Oklahoma. She was hired by the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office in 2007.

Shelby had no disciplinary actions against her while working at the sheriff's office.

Her superiors said she and other deputies in 2010 pulled guns on a man who was trying to hide while a felony warrant was being served. But there was no record of disciplinary action against her, they said.

But in her job application with the sheriff's office, Shelby admitted to two domestic-related incidents involving the courts.

In 1993, she said, she and her then-boyfriend damaged each other's vehicles when they were breaking up. They had temporary restraining orders filed that were subsequently dismissed.

In 2002, she said, her ex-husband's new wife filed a protective order claiming Shelby made harassing phone calls to her. The protective order was later denied, Shelby said in her application: "The Judge saw that I was not guilty of the accusations made against me," she wrote.

Shelby has been praised for helping the community.

Tulsa police posted on Facebook when Shelby helped a couple locate their stolen property in August.

Shelby had "responded to gather information on the crime" and was able to retrieve the Joneses' unspecified stolen property and return it to them. The Joneses presented Shelby with a bouquet of flowers as a mark of their gratitude, police said.

 

[dviss1]

i'd go to war for that sheriff

You'd go to war with the Sheriff who JUST let someone die of thirst in his cell?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Instead of victim blaming let's do a little role reversal:

Tulsa Cop Betty Shelby's Past Under Scrutiny After Terence Crutcher Shooting

The life and career of the white Oklahoma police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man last week is now under a microscope.

Tulsa police Officer Betty Shelby, a five-year veteran of the force, has been charged with manslaughter for fatally shooting 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on a highway.


Oklahoma police officer Betty Shelby is charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Terence Crutcher. Tulsa County via AP


A vial of PCP was found in the SUV, police said.

This is what we know about Shelby and the fatal shooting.

A helicopter pilot that circled the area during the time of the shooting called Crutcher dangerous

The Tulsa Police Department on Monday released aerial video of the incident which includes unidentified pilots telling each other that they believed the "black dude" in the scene was dangerous and "needed to be Tasered" for not following commands.

Sgt. Shane Tuell, a Tulsa police spokesman, later said Shelby did not hear those remarks about Crutcher because they weren't made over shared radio communications. And while Shelby's husband was in the chopper, it's not clear if he made any of the recorded remarks.

Crutcher family lawyer Benjamin Crump insists the SUV's windows were up, so Crutcher could not have been reaching inside as Wood contends. Also, police have confirmed that no weapons were found on the victim or in his SUV, Crump said.

In addition, Shelby was also armed with a stun gun but reached instead for her gun, The Associated Press reported.

Shelby is a drug-recognition expert and has admitted to previously using marijuana.

Before she joined the Tulsa police in 2011, Shelby was a deputy for the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office.

In her 2007 application — which was publicly disclosed Monday — she circled "yes" when asked whether she had "possessed and used illegal drugs" in the past. The sheriff's office released a letter in which Shelby described using marijuana twice at age 18 during social gatherings.

Shelby has also completed drug-recognition expert training, police have said.

Shelby was in the Oklahoma Air NationalGuard before going into law enforcement.

Shelby, according to her police job application, worked at a QuikTrip convenience store before she signed up in 1999 for a trainee program with the Oklahoma Air National Guard.

In May 2000, she left the guard after spraining her knee.

Shelby also had a brief stint as a teaching assistant in Tulsa schools in 2001 and 2002 before pursuing a bachelor of science degree in biology at Northeastern State University in Oklahoma. She was hired by the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office in 2007.

Shelby had no disciplinary actions against her while working at the sheriff's office.

Her superiors said she and other deputies in 2010 pulled guns on a man who was trying to hide while a felony warrant was being served. But there was no record of disciplinary action against her, they said.

But in her job application with the sheriff's office, Shelby admitted to two domestic-related incidents involving the courts.

In 1993, she said, she and her then-boyfriend damaged each other's vehicles when they were breaking up. They had temporary restraining orders filed that were subsequently dismissed.

In 2002, she said, her ex-husband's new wife filed a protective order claiming Shelby made harassing phone calls to her. The protective order was later denied, Shelby said in her application: "The Judge saw that I was not guilty of the accusations made against me," she wrote.

Shelby has been praised for helping the community.

Tulsa police posted on Facebook when Shelby helped a couple locate their stolen property in August.

Shelby had "responded to gather information on the crime" and was able to retrieve the Joneses' unspecified stolen property and return it to them. The Joneses presented Shelby with a bouquet of flowers as a mark of their gratitude, police said.

Well, life has a funny way of coming full circle. 30 years later she will resume her most appropriate job, working at a convenience store. If she gets off, if she doesn't maybe she'll get to work at the prison commissary

 

[dviss1]

NSFWOK

Protect and serve?? Cop RAPES 15 year old black girl in her cell.





Edit: After further review, this was in South Africa. But it's really no different than the cop who just got 150+ years for raping 15 black women.

 

[dviss1]

Well, life has a funny way of coming full circle. 30 years later she will resume her most appropriate job, working at a convenience store. If she gets off, if she doesn't maybe she'll get to work at the prison commissary

Hell, that's a good job. MFs are always happy to see you when their getting shit.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/opinion/why-we-are-protesting-in-charlotte.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Why We Are Protesting in Charlotte

 

[blue32]

NSFWOK

Protect and serve?? Cop RAPES 15 year old black girl in her cell.





Edit: After further review, this was in South Africa. But it's really no different than the cop who just got 150+ years for raping 15 black women.

Come on man.....

 

[dviss1]

Come on man.....

Come on man what? A cop JUST got convicted for doing this to 15 black women. It's very relevant to the conversation. Is that video to real for you? It's much more real to us...

 

[dviss1]

So at first, the lawyer says she accidentally pulled her gun instead of the tazer. Now she changes her story and admits she meant to pull her gun and KNEW it was her gun... The more lies they tell the less reason there is to believe ANYTHING they have to say...


Tulsa Officer Shares Her Side of the Story in Terence Crutcher's Shooting

Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby, identified as the officer who shot 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Friday night, has offered her side of the story in the fatal encounter.

In dashcam and helicopter video released by police, Crutcher appears to have his hands up moments before he is shot by Shelby. Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, maintains that Crutcher refused to follow more than two dozen commands and that he reached into the open window of the car before Shelby perceived a threat and shot him.

The Crutcher family's attorneys Benjamin L. Crump and Damario Solomon-Simmons said the window was up, evidenced by the blood spattered on it when he was shot.

The Department of Justice is investigating Shelby's use of force.

Here is Shelby's side of the story, according to her attorney and the police department.

Shelby Was Responding to a Different Incident
At about 7:36 p.m. Friday, dispatchers received a 911 call about an abandoned SUV in the middle of a street, with the driver's door open and the engine still running, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said Monday. The caller said a man was running from the vehicle, saying it was "going to blow."

Shelby and another officer were on their way to a domestic violence call when she came across the SUV, Jordan said.

On her way to that call, Shelby saw Crutcher standing in the middle of the road, looking down at the ground, Wood said, adding that she would have stopped and checked up on him had she not been on the other call.

She then saw the SUV parked in the middle of the street, obstructing traffic in both directions, Wood said. The engine was running when she got there, which she found odd because she assumed it was either disabled or broken down, he said.

The Encounter Started More Than a Minute Before What Is Shown on the Released Video
Wood said "it's important to remember" that Shelby was on the scene with Crutcher for about a minute and a half before the start of the video clip released by police on Monday.

When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed, and the windows were open, Wood said. She looked into the passenger's side to make sure no one was on the floor of the car, and as she was getting ready to move to the driver's side, she turned around and saw Crutcher walking toward her, Wood said.

Wood said that Shelby then said to Crutcher, "Hey, is this your car?"

Crutcher didn't respond, simply dropping his head while continuing to look at Shelby, "kind of under his brow," Wood said. Crutcher then began to put his hand into his left pocket, Wood said, adding that Shelby told Crutcher, "Hey, please keep your hands out of your pocket while you're talking to me. Let's deal with his car."

Crutcher did not respond, Wood said, so Shelby ordered him again to get his hand out of his pocket. He then pulled his hand away and put his hands up in the air, even though he was not instructed to do so, which Shelby found strange, Wood said.

Shelby tried to get Crutcher to talk to her, but he simply mumbled something unintelligible and stared at her, Wood said. He then turned and walked to the edge of the roadway and turned to look at her, his hands still in the air, Wood said. He put his hands down and started to reach into his pocket again, Wood said, and she ordered him again to get his hands out of his pocket.

At this point, Shelby, a drug recognition expert, believed Crutcher was "on something," Wood said, possibly PCP.

Shelby then radioed in that she had a subject "who is not following commands."

"You can kind of hear a degree of stress in her voice when she says that," Wood said.

Shelby then pulled out her gun and had Crutcher at gunpoint as she commanded him to get on his knees, Wood said. She pulled out a gun instead of a Taser because she thought he had a weapon, and she was planning to arrest him for being intoxicated in public and possibly obstructing the investigation, Wood said.

Shelby ordered Crutcher to stop multiple times as Crutcher walked toward the SUV with his hands up, Wood said.

But those orders cannot be heard in the audio from the dashcam video, which starts as another patrol car pulls up to the scene, showing Crutcher walking toward the SUV with his hands up as Shelby follows him, apparently with her weapon drawn and pointing at Crutcher.

 

[dviss1]

For all the regulars who wanna donate to her defense fund. It's already over 5K...

https://fundly.com/m2/i-stand-with-betty-shelby

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

For all the regulars who wanna donate to her defense fund. It's already over 5K...

https://fundly.com/m2/i-stand-with-betty-shelby

Doesn't she have a police union? Even if she doesn't have the money some ambulance chaser would do it for free just for publicity.

 

[e_blazer]

For all the regulars who wanna donate to her defense fund. It's already over 5K...

https://fundly.com/m2/i-stand-with-betty-shelby

Geez, dviss1, she's charged with first degree manslaughter. It's an appropriate charge, based on what we've seen. It seems to me like that's about the best anyone can ask for here. The judicial system is going to grind out for a year or more on this case. She deserves a defense, but I'm sure as hell not going to contribute to it. If others do want to spend their money that way, I'd rather it be their money paying for her defense than the people's tax dollars.

 

[MarAzul]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/opinion/why-we-are-protesting-in-charlotte.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Why We Are Protesting in Charlotte

Oh geez! What a bullshit article. They are not protesting in Charlotte!!! Yesterday I got called for calling them animals for their mindless lawless behavior. Well I was wrong,
the long over used equating of animals to mindlessness doesn't do the issue justice. Most of the rampaging lawlessness is more like terrorist tactics.
Yes Black people have grievances against some police policies and some brutal and or dumb cops. These issues should be and must be addressed.

These issues should be defined and refined with specific recommendations to change in a way that all thinking people can support. Terrorizing the neighborhood does great damage to the any support that must be developed to bring about this most needed change. Black people taking to the streets, one more time to terrorize the population in their cars, destroy their shops and even
the places they live will not focus the needed attention on the rightful grievances.

It doesn't appear that having Black Police Chiefs and Black officers fixes the issues either. Charlotte and Baltimore sort of prove this is not the solution. Riots are not the solution. Killing Cops is not the solution, even if they support their Union buddies by planting guns and other cover.

How do we bring about the needed change????

Naw, showing videos of a Cop raping a black girl won't get it done either.

 

[dviss1]

Geez, dviss1, she's charged with first degree manslaughter. It's an appropriate charge, based on what we've seen. It seems to me like that's about the best anyone can ask for here. The judicial system is going to grind out for a year or more on this case. She deserves a defense, but I'm sure as hell not going to contribute to it. If others do want to spend their money that way, I'd rather it be their money paying for her defense than the people's tax dollars.

I'm not saying she doesn't deserve defense. We all have the right to am attorney. What I'm saying is there are people who will start a fundraiser for her. Even though she shot an unarmed man, hands in the air, for no reason at all. She should either get the attorney that she can afford, or have one appointed if she cannot afford one.

 

[MarAzul]

Even though she shot an unarmed man, hands in the air, for no reason at all.

Oh I think she had a reason. I just don't think we would like it.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm not saying she doesn't deserve defense. We all have the right to am attorney. What I'm saying is there are people who will start a fundraiser for her. Even though she shot an unarmed man, hands in the air, for no reason at all. She should either get the attorney that she can afford, or have one appointed if she cannot afford one.

Come on man. She's accused of shooting an unarmed man, hands in the air, for no reason at all. I don't see anything in the video that would work against the prosecution being able to convince a jury to convict her, but they have to do it in a court of law. Under our system of justice, as imperfect as it is, she's entitled to the best defense she can afford, even if it involves people choosing to contributing to it for whatever personal reasons they may have.

None of us know all of the facts that relate to this case. Maybe the evidence will show that she had some history of racial bias. More likely is that it will show that she was a person who went to work that day not intending to do anything other than her job and, due to fear and panic, she just reacted wrong and killed an innocent man. If that's the case, then maybe her conviction will serve as a warning to police departments to more carefully train and test their officers so there's less chance of something like this happening again. There's also the remote possibility that there's something we don't know that will provide a justification for what she did. I can't imagine what that would be, but her attorney's have the obligation to mount the best defense they can.

 

[jlprk]

Why did the prosecutor pick manslaughter instead of murder? Why are trained police held to a lower standard than the rest of us? Each one gets a million dollars worth of training. Shouldn't it be a higher not lower standard, with more not less punishment, than untrained killers?

 

[dviss1]

Come on man. She's accused of shooting an unarmed man, hands in the air, for no reason at all. I don't see anything in the video that would work against the prosecution being able to convince a jury to convict her, but they have to do it in a court of law. Under our system of justice, as imperfect as it is, she's entitled to the best defense she can afford, even if it involves people choosing to contributing to it for whatever personal reasons they may have.

None of us know all of the facts that relate to this case. Maybe the evidence will show that she had some history of racial bias. More likely is that it will show that she was a person who went to work that day not intending to do anything other than her job and, due to fear and panic, she just reacted wrong and killed an innocent man. If that's the case, then maybe her conviction will serve as a warning to police departments to more carefully train and test their officers so there's less chance of something like this happening again. There's also the remote possibility that there's something we don't know that will provide a justification for what she did. I can't imagine what that would be, but her attorney's have the obligation to mount the best defense they can.

I'm condemning the people that would donate to that. I wouldn't give her a red cent.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm condemning the people that would donate to that. I wouldn't give her a red cent.

Nor would I, but I could see where cops and others who want to make sure she's given the fullest defense possible might want to.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Maybe a black guy robbed her at the gas station and then she joined the National Guard and a black guy kicked her in the leg. Probably has PTSD.

I haven't read everything posted, when did she says she meant to pull her taser? Before her lawyer got to her I assume.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Police video to be released shortly.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Videos show no definitive visual evidence Mr. Scott had a gun in his hand. But Chief Putney says other evidence from the scene proves it.

— CMPD News (@CMPD) September 24, 2016

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I should mention that I was just kidding about the PTSD.

However, it does remind me of a girl I dated. I couldn't get her to wear a seatbelt in my car. She said her friend in high school was in a jeep and it went into a ditch filled with water. It rolled upside down and she couldn't get her seatbelt off and drowned.

I told her the one in 500,000 chance of that versus the major chance a seatbelt would save your life wasn't a good trade.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Videos show no definitive visual evidence Mr. Scott had a gun in his hand. But Chief Putney says other evidence from the scene proves it.

— CMPD News (@CMPD) September 24, 2016

Whoops.

 

[dviss1]

I should mention that I was just kidding about the PTSD.

However, it does remind me of a girl I dated. I couldn't get her to wear a seatbelt in my car. She said her friend in high school was in a jeep and it went into a ditch filled with water. It rolled upside down and she couldn't get her seatbelt off and drowned.

I told her the one in 500,000 chance of that versus the major chance a seatbelt would save your life wasn't a good trade.

My brother's best friend was ejected from the vehicle when some speeders ran a stop sign. One of the coolest cats I ever met. It was one of the worst funerals I've ever been to. It should not have been an open casket. That can't be unseen.

 

[dviss1]

Nor would I, but I could see where cops and others who want to make sure she's given the fullest defense possible might want to.

I can see that too. Doesn't make it any less deplorable IMO. It should be condemned.