I Need To Stop Trying To Help Y'all Gain Perspective

[julius]

The thing is, in almost all of these cases we've discussed on here, when they run their legal course, I'm right.

says the guy who always blames mass shootings on Aspergers.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Tulsa police officer who fatally shot Terence Crutcher thought he may have been high on PCP, attorney says

The Tulsa police officer who fatally shot Terence Crutcher after his car broke down in the middle of the street thought the unarmed man was behaving erratically and that he may have been under the influence of PCP, the cop’s attorney said.


Officer Betty Shelby, who is seen on police video firing a single fatal shot at close range at Crutcher, had recently undergone drug-recognition training and believed Crutcher was high on the dissociative sedative, attorney Scott Wood told the Tulsa World.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-fatally-shot-terence-crutcher-pcp-article-1.2799465


So even the cop who fired didn't think he had a weapon or was going for a weapon.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

says the guy who always blames mass shootings on Aspergers.

Not all of them, only the ones where it seems like it would be.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Tulsa police officer who fatally shot Terence Crutcher thought he may have been high on PCP, attorney says

The Tulsa police officer who fatally shot Terence Crutcher after his car broke down in the middle of the street thought the unarmed man was behaving erratically and that he may have been under the influence of PCP, the cop’s attorney said.


Officer Betty Shelby, who is seen on police video firing a single fatal shot at close range at Crutcher, had recently undergone drug-recognition training and believed Crutcher was high on the dissociative sedative, attorney Scott Wood told the Tulsa World.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-fatally-shot-terence-crutcher-pcp-article-1.2799465


So even the cop who fired didn't think he had a weapon or was going for a weapon.

It doesn't say anywhere there she didn't think he had a weapon or was going for a weapon.

 

[riverman]

When guns are drawn and you reach in your car for an unknown object is a great way to get shot.

I don't know Prez....I'm the type of person who doesn't think there's any such thing as a great way to get shot

 

[julius]

Not all of them, only the ones where it seems like it would be.

and how many of the ones where you basically beat off to the aspergers claim, were actually done by someone with aspergers?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and how many of the ones where you basically beat off to the aspergers claim, were actually done by someone with aspergers?

probably most. won't get disclosed b/c of HIPAA

 

[julius]

probably most. won't get disclosed b/c of HIPAA

Or probably not most, since it is not a common character trait of someone with aspergers or autism. But hey, you read it somewhere online and it makes you cool to say it.

 

[oldfisherman]

One carries a gun and the other carries a whistle, but police and basketball referees hold a tremendous amount of power over the people within their jurisdiction.

Actually, the BB referee probably has more power than LEOs, since a referee most often penalizes a player without consulting the player. Police hold a higher level of power, because they carry a gun. But the police often engage in a conversation with a suspect. The level of the penalty is often decided by the suspect’s attitude and behavior towards the LEO.

We all know BB referees make mistakes, lots of them. Players get upset all the time when they believe the game was stopped unjustly, and often the player is right. But the referee has penalized a player and may have affected the outcome of the game, maybe even the season.

Police officers also make mistakes when they stop people. These mistakes can affect a person’s family and their lives.

None of us are perfect, mistakes happen. It is the referees and LEOs that abuse their power that are a concern. The abuse of power happens both on the BB court and our streets.


I am glad BB referees do not carry guns. Rasheed Wallace would have been shot 20 times.

 

[Haakzilla]

This looked like an execution to me. The cops blocked out the camera so it wouldn't be caught on camera.

...this was my initial reaction as well, seems awfully fishy. Either that was an organized hit for the Aryan Nation -or- this lady officer grabbed her firearm instead of her taser gun and is not owning up to her mistake because it would end her murderous career

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

...this was my initial reaction as well, seems awfully fishy. Either that was an organized hit for the Aryan Nation -or- this lady officer grabbed her firearm instead of her taser gun and is not owning up to her mistake because it would end her murderous career

yeah, the more I think of it, it seems like it was a Trump sanctioned hit in cooperation with the Tea Party and the Illuminati to avenge Harambe. The copter was there with a sniper rifle just in case things got out of hand.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't see any way to look at this one except to see a case where a cop made a fatal mistake. I have no idea what was going through her head, but there's no way this guy should have ended up dead. Her lawyer says that she thought he was reaching for a gun. I give cops a lot of leeway on things like that because their ability to come home alive is dependent upon making quick decisions. In this instance, however, there doesn't seem to be anything to support her claim. Does he make a move to his pocket? Hard to say from this video, but even if he does, it seems to me that there has to be something more than that to justify lethal force, especially when there are so many officers present. Maybe she panicked, maybe she was scared out of her mind, but she made a really bad decision. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that she's likely guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide something of that nature. It's a shame that one guy is dead and a cop's career and, maybe, her life are ruined.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't see any way to look at this one except to see a case where a cop made a fatal mistake. I have no idea what was going through her head, but there's no way this guy should have ended up dead. Her lawyer says that she thought he was reaching for a gun. I give cops a lot of leeway on things like that because their ability to come home alive is dependent upon making quick decisions. In this instance, however, there doesn't seem to be anything to support her claim. Does he make a move to his pocket? Hard to say from this video, but even if he does, it seems to me that there has to be something more than that to justify lethal force, especially when there are so many officers present. Maybe she panicked, maybe she was scared out of her mind, but she made a really bad decision. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that she's likely guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide something of that nature. It's a shame that one guy is dead and a cop's career and, maybe, her life are ruined.

That's sexist. Check your privilege.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's sexist. Check your privilege.

So like, am I supposed to check my privilege..... at the door? Check to make sure it's still there? Check my privilege before I wreck my privilege?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So like, am I supposed to check my privilege..... at the door? Check to make sure it's still there? Check my privilege before I wreck my privilege?

 

[blue32]

I was going to say before Sly posted it, but they thought he was "on something" because there were 911 calls about this person abandoning their car in the middle of the road and the caller reported saying the person might be "on something".

The nonsense about Police not supposed to be doing this and that when cars are broken down? Listen folks, they have no idea what they are getting into when they go onto a call, only what was reported to the dispatcher at 911. So they treat every situation as a potential hostile situation if it looks funny. This looked funny and was reported as being such.

So going with that information into the situation, and the suspect not listening to police orders, and then going into his car instead of following commands I do see where they could have felt threatened and used deadly force.

I will wait and see more information as time goes on. Not sure why they needed a taser AND a gun shot. That might have been a mistake on the female officer's part in which case she'll likely face punishment for it.

 

[dviss1]

They called him scary because he seemed like a big guy. It was more of a compliment.

Cognitive dissonance... It's not a fucking compliment... Jesus....

 

[PDXFonz]

Well I haven't said shit about BLM, but I guess maybe I should so that I can be an "everyone".

 

[MarAzul]

And yet how many times do we see the police shoot someone because they won't show them their hands?

but you should never shoot someone simply because they're not complying.

Police policy issues. They train the cops to take command and demand compliance or escalate to force. Which works fine when the officer is dealing with rational people that can hear the commands and is mentally ready and culturally ready to comply. In all other cases it very well may result in tragedy.

I think it is a terse policy that needs to have the level of force expanded to be applied in progressive steps.

 

[Denny Crane]

I was going to say before Sly posted it, but they thought he was "on something" because there were 911 calls about this person abandoning their car in the middle of the road and the caller reported saying the person might be "on something".

The nonsense about Police not supposed to be doing this and that when cars are broken down? Listen folks, they have no idea what they are getting into when they go onto a call, only what was reported to the dispatcher at 911. So they treat every situation as a potential hostile situation if it looks funny. This looked funny and was reported as being such.

So going with that information into the situation, and the suspect not listening to police orders, and then going into his car instead of following commands I do see where they could have felt threatened and used deadly force.

I will wait and see more information as time goes on. Not sure why they needed a taser AND a gun shot. That might have been a mistake on the female officer's part in which case she'll likely face punishment for it.

So if the person they come upon is black, shoot first and ask questions later?

That's the problem with these horrible killings.

 

[blue32]

So if the person they come upon is black, shoot first and ask questions later?

That's the problem with these horrible killings.

Hmm. Not sure how you jumped to that conclusion but hey it's your site. Lol

 

[dviss1]

Well I haven't said shit about BLM, but I guess maybe I should so that I can be an "everyone".

Not sure why people get butthurt about shit like this. If you didn't say anything WTF are you upset about? Like I've said before, Denny, Sly, etc understand I'm not talking about them. Why don't you? Jesus some people...

 

[dviss1]

Her lawyer says that she thought he was reaching for a gun. I give cops a lot of leeway on things like that because their ability to come home alive is dependent upon making quick decisions. In this instance, however, there doesn't seem to be anything to support her claim. Does he make a move to his pocket? Hard to say from this video, but even if he does, it seems to me that there has to be something more than that to justify lethal force, especially when there are so many officers present. Maybe she panicked, maybe she was scared out of her mind, but she made a really bad decision. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that she's likely guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide something of that nature. It's a shame that one guy is dead and a cop's career and, maybe, her life are ruined.

Bullshit on the bold black. Your firearm is on your strong hand side. They know where it is.

Bullshit on the red bold. They're supposed to be trained professionals and they literally have our lives in their hands.

 

[jlprk]

These "mistakes" happen over 1000 times per year in the U.S...Divide by 365. That's 3 per day. This number is only for police murders before the person is taken into custody. The number is higher if you include after custody, or jail deaths.

In other countries, the rate of "mistakes" is far, far lower. What is it about American prosecutors which produces so many "mistakes?"

Blame the prosecutors.

 

[dviss1]

His winow was up...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They found PCP in the vehicle.

This is what happened. Police got a 911 call that the SUV was just left in the middle of the road.

Police released on Monday two 911 calls made Friday reporting that an SUV had been abandoned in the middle of 36th Street North, with one anonymous caller telling a dispatcher that a man she saw there might be "smoking something." Jordan said that day that Shelby "happened upon" the stopped vehicle while en route to an unrelated call and was not assigned to respond to the vehicle report.

He has a pattern on non-compliance. They had to use force 3 separate times to arrest him.

A 2012 probable cause affidavit in a misdemeanor case against Crutcher states Crutcher's father arrived on scene during a public intoxication and obstruction arrest in north Tulsa, where he told officers his son had "an ongoing problem" with PCP.

An officer used a Taser on Crutcher twice during that arrest while he was face down on the ground based on the officer's claim that Crutcher did not comply with at least three orders to show his hands. The officer who arrested Crutcher had paramedics evaluate Crutcher after he was subdued, according to the affidavit, who decided to take him to a hospital for monitoring.

The 2012 case is one of at least three on record in which police used force in their efforts to arrest Crutcher. His 2006 felony drug charge affidavit states officers "struggled" with him and grabbed his hands in the arrest, and a 2013 misdemeanor DUI arrest report reveals an officer used an arm bar and knee strike to arrest Crutcher after he reportedly refused to cooperate during a field sobriety test.

and frequent run ins with the law.

The World has previously reported that Crutcher had more than a dozen encounters with various law enforcement agencies throughout his life, many of which were for municipal offenses such as speeding and driving without a license.

The Oklahoma Department of Corrections told the World Tuesday that Crutcher had been incarcerated for a drug-related conviction from April 25, 2007, to Jan. 13, 2011, when he was released on parole. His supervision ended in May of this year, but court records indicate a judge issued a bench warrant Sept. 1 for failure to pay fines related to his cases.

but this was all by chance. a nice college student who's car just happened to break down.

 

[jlprk]

One more tip: To escape blame for encouraging police killers, the prosecutor calls a "grand jury." He then presents only the evidence he wants them to see. When they let off the policeman, it appears to be their decision, not his.

A "grand jury" is a prosecutor's device to spread the criticism around, away from him. Plus, it delays the process a year, to vent the momentum out of public criticism, and give time to create problems in the leaders' personal lives.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I guess the most, if anything, they get the female cop for is involuntary manslaughter due to her bad judgment.

 

[Denny Crane]

Speeding and driving without a license? Death penalty! No need for judge and jury.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

The guy is black.

Also, I don't get why some people almost seem to just disagree for the sake of disagreeing, or doing so to continue their persona on here.

The cops overreacted. Plain and simple.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Kill significantly more unarmed black people than unarmed white people...well, blame the victim of course.

According to news articles... according to actual statistics the numbers are near even.