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I guess the most, if anything, they get the female cop for is involuntary manslaughter due to her bad judgment.
Women shouldnt be in charge of anything. Can you imagine hillary with nuke buttons and on her period. Putin says her dress makes her look fat next thing you know nuclear fallout.
 
Women shouldnt be in charge of anything. Can you imagine hillary with nuke buttons and on her period. Putin says her dress makes her look fat next thing you know nuclear fallout.

It's not even the nukes I'm concerned about, it's having access to her own black ops within the CIA special activities division.
 
They found PCP in the vehicle.

This is what happened. Police got a 911 call that the SUV was just left in the middle of the road.



He has a pattern on non-compliance. They had to use force 3 separate times to arrest him.



and frequent run ins with the law.




but this was all by chance. a nice college student who's car just happened to break down.

Who had to use force? The Tulsa police? Did they recognize him from previous arrests? Was the officer who shot him involved in any of the previous arrests? Did the police identify him before or after shooting him?
 
Who had to use force? The Tulsa police? Did they recognize him from previous arrests? Was the officer who shot him involved in any of the previous arrests? Did the police identify him before or after shooting him?

No, it's just a pattern of aggressive behavior and noncompliance when in contact with the police. And if he was on PCP and erratic, any jerky movement could set an officer to act defensively and shoot him.
 
Not sure why people get butthurt about shit like this. If you didn't say anything WTF are you upset about? Like I've said before, Denny, Sly, etc understand I'm not talking about them. Why don't you? Jesus some people...

In a sense the same thing you are fighting you are perpetuating with that statement - Ultimates. "Everyone" is an ultimate. Saying a certain group, race, social class, sexual orientation, etc... is the same because of the actions or mentalities of certain individuals is also an ultimate. It's often a spiteful form of "everyone" which leads to and/or fuels racist beliefs.

Plus it's blatantly incorrect as you've already mentioned two other individuals who magically do not fit the confines of "everyone". Perhaps a more accurate statement would be that "many people" are doing it.

I'm not looking for argument, and I'm on your side on this one as I am most topics you bring to the table. I'm just one of those assholes that is a stickler for accuracy when it comes to description.
 
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Bullshit on the bold black. Your firearm is on your strong hand side. They know where it is.

Bullshit on the red bold. They're supposed to be trained professionals and they literally have our lives in their hands.

Bullshit on you getting to be the arbiter of what I think. I read and consider your opinions and don't blast you when I disagree. You have a perspective on these issues that I can never have and I respect that. It doesn't mean that you are 100 percent correct in your views.

Just as a case in point, how exactly was the officer supposed to know which was this guy's strong hand? From the helicopter footage, the guy reaches towards his pocket with his right hand. I think most people would say the odds favor that being his dominant hand.



On the second part, being a trained professional doesn't mean that you aren't subject to emotions or that you always make the right call. As a ref, I think you know that's true. Obviously, a cop should be held to a higher standard because they do have the ability to apply lethal force. As I said in my post, I don't see enough here to justify the use of lethal force. I suspect that the officer is likely going to face charges in this case. Unless there's more than is apparent from the video, she should face charges.
 
Why is this guys vehicle in the middle of the road? What the heck is he doing out and about when the cops come?
Doesn't seem like the behavior of a rational individual.
 
Not sure why people get butthurt about shit like this. If you didn't say anything WTF are you upset about? Like I've said before, Denny, Sly, etc understand I'm not talking about them. Why don't you? Jesus some people...

It's took me a little bit to understand you're not talking about all white people or all christian white males etc ~ when you say certain things.
I think it's due to being taught as a child. Saying things like that towards black/mexican or even white people could lead to trouble should I say things too loudly.(if I were to say things)
I will say though, understanding doesn't make it any easier to read. But that's my problem ha.

I do hope you keep posting. Even if sometimes it feels like you are talking to a wall.
 
Why is this guys vehicle in the middle of the road? What the heck is he doing out and about when the cops come?
Doesn't seem like the behavior of a rational individual.

So when I stopped by hillsboro high school last year due to coming around the corner.
Seeing a Mexican male out of his car, walking around it.
While in the middle of the road...
Due to it being overheated when I approached and offered to push it out of the road for him.
I should have instead called the police so they could shoot the man? Simply because he didn't respond to english well, and he was in the middle of the road walking around his car.
Obviously a dangerous man I encountered...
 
So when I stopped by hillsboro high school last year due to coming around the corner.
Seeing a Mexican male out of his car, walking around it.
While in the middle of the road...
Due to it being overheated when I approached and offered to push it out of the road for him.
I should have instead called the police so they could shoot the man? Simply because he didn't respond to english well, and he was in the middle of the road walking around his car.
Obviously a dangerous man I encountered...

That is a very weird take friend. Do have any answers to the questions I asked?
 
Before he was shot the officer in the helicopter said "he looked like a really bad dude."

What? Big and black? That equates bad? What the actual FUCK!



Don't blame me, blame Michael Jackson:

 
This looked like an execution to me. The cops blocked out the camera so it wouldn't be caught on camera.

They all should get the chair, or whatever it is they do in Oklahoma.

Libertarian courts sure cut through all that red tape and oversight, eh Denny? :cheers:
 
Obviously a dangerous man I encountered...

I like how he assumed it was a mexican....

Actually where I was going with the questions which no one can answer, a guy walking about with his car in the middle of the road does seem a bit irrational.
Perhaps that should tip of the officers that this guy might not be fully processing. Therefore he just might not respond rationally to commands that the police issue.

This then is when police training as a result of police policy begins to break down and becomes a danger to the public. When the police issue commands, they are trained to require compliance.
If the individual they are commanding is not processing rationally then expecting rational behavior from the irrational person is also very irrational. Shooting the man then caps of a incident with the final irrational act.
 
Because that's what they do. "Put your hands on the car. "

They still had no reason to escalate to guns.

That went out in the 60's. They want them out and away from the car, one at a time.

They put suspects on the ground, cuff them, then pat them down for weapons.
 
Maybe his cell phone was in the car with his lawyer on speed dial or he wanted to film what was happening

When police with drawn guns tell you to do a specific thing, doing something entirely different is not an option.

In every city in America, police forces are comprised of the lower half of IQ's in society. They purposely reject above average IQ's because they want people who follow orders, not people who think. They have defended this hiring discrimination in court and won. Add to that dismal crop a huge pool of completely unqualified women and minorities through Affirmative Action and you've got to be amazed that they don't get us all killed simply by accident.

For the most part they are good people trying to do good things, but as a group they are severely handicapped when compared to society as a whole.
 
It doesn't seem standard when guns are drawn for a suspect to walk forward to his car with his hands up, go to his front door of his own vehicle by the window which may or may not be open and then put his hands down. Could be interpreted as going for a weapon or trying to escape.
I'm sorry, but "interpreting" someone might be going for a weapon does not justify killing someone and it's not a valid fucking excuse. Neither is him trying to escape.

Red Herring is delicious.

If an officer points a gun at you and your hands up, I highly doubt he says "WALK DIRECTLY TO THE FRONT DOOR OF YOUR VEHICLE".
The officer shouldve never been pointing his gun at him in the first place. Even then, an officer isn't justified in killing someone because they didn't follow their exact order.

People like to blame it in the victim by saying "If he didnt do this subtle little thing that could be interpreted as a possible threat, he wouldn't have gotten shot.". Yeah... Maybe, maybe not. Either way, killing isn't justified unless they are a certain threat to your life. Perceiving the possibility isn't enough.

That would be like me shooting anyone carrying a duffle bag in public and justifying it by saying I "interpreted" there might be a bomb in the bag (just like the dumbass "interpreted" there might be a weapon in the car). Would you go and say "well it's their fault, they shouldn't have been carrying a duffle bag because it could've been interpreted as a threat and they should've known that"? No, you wouldn't.
 
His hands seemed to be in his car's window when they started firing. There's no way he should have walked to his car, that's a dangerous situation for a cop because its not known what he will do.
"Hey, I see you carrying this duffle bag. It's dangerous because it is not known if theres a bomb in there or not, so I guess my only option is to kill you"
 
According to news articles... according to actual statistics the numbers are near even.
Considering theres about 5 times as many whites that blacks in this country, that would mean youd 5 times more likely to get shot by police if youre black.
 
The car window was closed, so that kills the excuse that he reached through it.

The policewoman had just finished a class that trained her in this situation, so she was all hepped up on killing someone. Who are these anonymous trainers who are blamed but never named, much less hanged?
 
Considering theres about 5 times as many whites that blacks in this country, that would mean youd 5 times more likely to get shot by police if youre black.

Ain't misuse of statistics grand?

I don't mean you.
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ed-to-police-for-help-they-shot-him-dead.html

That big bad dude was 40-year-old Terence Crutcher—a man who raised his hands high above his head in submission before he was shot to death Friday by police in Oklahoma— and those are the words of his twin sister Tiffany, who is now left to plan his funeral service.

Slumped beside his stalled SUV, his blood streaming out onto the asphalt, it is impossible to reconcile those final tragic moments captured on police video—impossible to understand why an unarmed man, suspected of committing no crime and who threatened no one, was summarily shot on an open roadway by an officer sworn to serve and protect him.

It appears his only crime was being a large, black man who had the misfortune of having his car break down on a public street. He paid for that with his life.

Crutcher was leaving a music appreciation class at a community college when his car stalled out, his family said. The silver SUV was reportedly “straddling the centerline of the northeast Tulsa road with its engine idling and its doors open” near 36th Street and Lewis Avenue when the first officer arrived, drew her gun and began spitting out commands. She called for backup, claiming the stranded motorist was unresponsive.

...

“He’s got his hands up there for her now,” one officer aboard the chopper said. That officer, believed to her husband Dave, then unwittingly and directly contradicts Officer Shelby’s statements to investigators. “This guy is still walking and following commands.”
 
I am just amazed at how anyone could defend this shooting, but not really surprised to see the same people justifying the shooting. One officer uses a tazer, another uses their gun. If this killing was justified, why weren't both officers using their gun? One must have been right and the other was wrong.
 
So the guy was high on PCP and not following orders.

Has anyone seen people on PCP get tasered before? Guess what, they don't fucking care, it doesn't affect them. Crazy shit happens to the human body when you're high on PCP.

I really have no sympathy at all for people doing these types of drugs and causing a problem for citizens and police alike.

Sounds to me like the officers knew he was high, wasn't responding to instruction and made threaten gestures (like reaching for pockets, or into cars, or whatever the fuck).

They are trained to elevate when tasers do not work, and they will not go hand to hand when people are reaching in pockets.
 
I am just amazed at how anyone could defend this shooting, but not really surprised to see the same people justifying the shooting. One officer uses a tazer, another uses their gun. If this killing was justified, why weren't both officers using their gun? One must have been right and the other was wrong.

Tasers dont do shit to people high on PCP.

It ain't called the 'superman' drug for nothing.
 
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He was big and black. Scary big, scary black. He wasn't high on PCP, but that's a convenient claim if you're looking for excuses to excuse this execution.
 

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