I Need To Stop Trying To Help Y'all Gain Perspective

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You do know that's 10 years ago, right?

And it's no shock that the system goes after young black men for drugs.

Perhaps they have a higher rate of crime/violence? Like I have said before, if you look at worldwide statistics, there seems to be a correlation. Its science!

 

[Denny Crane]

Wow are we finally letting facts play out now? Good! Now let's wait and see what happens before burn down our neighborhoods and riot.

That black people burn down their own neighborhoods is confusing to me.

They should be burning down YOURS.

 

[Denny Crane]

Perhaps they have a higher rate of crime/violence? Like I have said before, if you look at worldwide statistics, there seems to be a correlation. Its science!

The stats are bullshit.

Since they are arresting black men at a rate much higher than whites, after being caught, there's an obvious bias in the stats and the people using them.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm sorry, but "interpreting" someone might be going for a weapon does not justify killing someone and it's not a valid fucking excuse. Neither is him trying to escape.

The officer shouldve never been pointing his gun at him in the first place. Even then, an officer isn't justified in killing someone because they didn't follow their exact order.

People like to blame it in the victim by saying "If he didnt do this subtle little thing that could be interpreted as a possible threat, he wouldn't have gotten shot.". Yeah... Maybe, maybe not. Either way, killing isn't justified unless they are a certain threat to your life. Perceiving the possibility isn't enough.

That would be like me shooting anyone carrying a duffle bag in public and justifying it by saying I "interpreted" there might be a bomb in the bag (just like the dumbass "interpreted" there might be a weapon in the car). Would you go and say "well it's their fault, they shouldn't have been carrying a duffle bag because it could've been interpreted as a threat and they should've known that"? No, you wouldn't.

You don't know why the officer was pointing the gun. Perhaps he was being agressive. Erratic. He was likely on PCP, he left his car in the middle of the road and he has a consistent pattern of violence and resisting arrest. He wasn't obeying the police officer's directions.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The stats are bullshit.

Since they are arresting black men at a rate much higher than whites, after being caught, there's an obvious bias in the stats and the people using them.

I'm talking about in predominantly african countries as well. They are usually violent and crime ridden. No bias in the stats out there.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

That black people burn down their own neighborhoods is confusing to me.

They should be burning down YOURS.

Or we should be burning down theirs for being the hub of crime and violence in America.

 

[blue32]

That black people burn down their own neighborhoods is confusing to me.

They should be burning down YOURS.

Oh Denny.... how quickly you result to insults when you don't agree with someone. Now I know how Barfo feels.

But how do you know what race I am?

Also, I find it confusing you insinuate violence towards someone when all they are advocating for is that people wait until all of the facts present themselves before making a judgement. Apparently you drank too much caffeine today.

 

[MarAzul]

There's a problem happening, and maybe instead of sticking our heads in the sand (condoning it), we should actually look at it and make changes

Ah julius agrees with MarAzul again! What the heck is happening?
Well there maybe more than one problem happening too, and none should go unnoticed.

 

[MarAzul]

I was in personally to answer your questions

Car broke down - why it's in the middle of the road.

Apparently you knew the Mexican's car broke down.

But is that why the Black guy's car is in the middle of the road? Did the police know? I mean one way or the other there seems to be a very big screw up here.
If the guys car is broken down, why in the hell are the police all fucking hyper?
If the guy is wandering about with his car in the middle of the road for no reasonable reason, why isn't that a clue that the guy is irrational and may not dance like a puppet on command?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ah julius agrees with MarAzul again! What the heck is happening?
Well there maybe more than one problem happening too, and none should go unnoticed.

Actually it's you who is agreeing with Black Lives Matter.

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/#solutionsoverview

 

[MarAzul]

That black people burn down their own neighborhoods is confusing to me.

They should be burning down YOURS

Oh! I am so glad you are not recommending they burn down mine. That could result in carnage on a horrendous scale.

 

[MarAzul]

Actually it's you who is agreeing with Black Lives Matter.

If you are referring to #3 in their want list, we are close. You may even recall me saying this before, even before the BLM did, way back.
But on the other hand, I can not agree with the BLMs tactics to bring change. No I am not going to type that much to explain.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It does show what I said it does. It is not up for debate. Even more camera angles show the windows on the car doors were up. It's getting worse and worse for your side in this.

The side that says we don't know everything that happened yet? I've been reading below this and now you're saying she shot him while he was on the ground.

But his window is covered in blood. You've also said with no proof that the guy wasn't high on PCP.

You've basically said it was a conspiracy to commit cold blooded murder, they went so far as to BLOCK the camera according to YOU.

That they were following the person she shot doesn't seem to compute for you. Following someone and ending up between them and a camera seems awful different than purposely blocking the camera. Unless they're so smart they just waited until he got to the right spot to let them block it.

Unless you get the woman cop to admit it, you'll never convince anyone that she wasn't just plain scared shitless.

Seeing as how you're not even aware of what my "side" of this is I'm going to have to ignore your ramblings.

 

[Denny Crane]

The side that says we don't know everything that happened yet? I've been reading below this and now you're saying she shot him while he was on the ground.

But his window is covered in blood. You've also said with no proof that the guy wasn't high on PCP.

You've basically said it was a conspiracy to commit cold blooded murder, they went so far as to BLOCK the camera according to YOU.

That they were following the person she shot doesn't seem to compute for you. Following someone and ending up between them and a camera seems awful different than purposely blocking the camera. Unless they're so smart they just waited until he got to the right spot to let them block it.

Unless you get the woman cop to admit it, you'll never convince anyone that she wasn't just plain scared shitless.

Seeing as how you're not even aware of what my "side" of this is I'm going to have to ignore your ramblings.

The side that isn't outraged by the obvious slaying of an unarmed black man.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh Denny.... how quickly you result to insults when you don't agree with someone. Now I know how Barfo feels.

But how do you know what race I am?

Also, I find it confusing you insinuate violence towards someone when all they are advocating for is that people wait until all of the facts present themselves before making a judgement. Apparently you drank too much caffeine today.

I was going to go reread some Barfo vs Denny threads because I was thinking the same thing. I know Barfo is always wrong, so I must have actually believed some of the bullshit I was reading from Denny. I need to erase all that from my mind.

The funniest thing to me is that I take the cops side 5 percent of the time and I'm not even taking their side now but calling out retarded statements of "fact" such as "he wasn't high on PCP" makes me the bootlicking cop lover.

I'll tell you one thing, if a 5'11" 245 lb man of any color kills someone I love while on PCP I'll kill him with my bare hands. The rest of you want cops to stop them for you, hell so do I.

That keeps me from having to be the bad guy.

So what do we want to do? Tell cops that cars parked in the middle of two lanes are broken down, no crime is happening and just call a tow truck?

 

[BonesJones]

You don't know why the officer was pointing the gun. Perhaps he was being agressive. Erratic. He was likely on PCP, he left his car in the middle of the road and he has a consistent pattern of violence and resisting arrest. He wasn't obeying the police officer's directions.

But he wasn't a threat to the officers life and therefore he should've never been shot. "Interpreting" that he MIGHT have a gun doesn't justify shooting him. Simple as that.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The side that isn't outraged by the obvious slaying of an unarmed black man.

I'm not outraged, I'm sad about it. I'm also not making shit up every other post either.

I wasn't outraged by 9/11. I was horrified. You can see what outrage got us. Quit trying to be the cool Republican that black people like, it doesn't become you.

Oh wait, librarian. Yeah, I wrote librarian because they're just as relevant today as libertarians.

 

[e_blazer]

The side that isn't outraged by the obvious slaying of an unarmed black man.

We'll be a long way towards solving this problem when you can cross the racial component out of your sentence.

Is this one any less egregious simply because the guy was white?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html

Bodyman5000 and 1 talked in one of his earlier posts about police needing some new technology to take people down without lethal consequences. Tasers work some of the time, but not always. It seems like there should be a way to incapacitate a suspect without killing them.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh Denny.... how quickly you result to insults when you don't agree with someone. Now I know how Barfo feels.

But how do you know what race I am?

Also, I find it confusing you insinuate violence towards someone when all they are advocating for is that people wait until all of the facts present themselves before making a judgement. Apparently you drank too much caffeine today.

I didn't insult anyone. If anything, I suggested those who burn down their own neighborhoods aren't doing the sensible thing. Burning down your neighborhood would effect change.

 

[Denny Crane]

We'll be a long way towards solving this problem when you can cross the racial component out of your sentence.

Is this one any less egregious simply because the guy was white?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html

Bodyman5000 and 1 talked in one of his earlier posts about police needing some new technology to take people down without lethal consequences. Tasers work some of the time, but not always. It seems like there should be a way to incapacitate a suspect without killing them.

They could throw a net on him. Or tranquilizers, or bean bags. It's not rocket science.

While I agree cops shouldn't be shooting anyone unless there is a most extreme circumstance, there is a racial component to it when white cops shoot unarmed black men in black neighborhoods. To ignore that kills any chance of solving the problem. The solution may be to hire more black cops to police those neighborhoods. I'm not saying that's all there is to it, but it would go a long way toward making the community more comfortable with the cops.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

But he wasn't a threat to the officers life and therefore he should've never been shot. "Interpreting" that he MIGHT have a gun doesn't justify shooting him. Simple as that.

No, it isn't as simple as that. Police officers have to assume the worst, being that he had a weapon on him. Its a matter of public safety to err on the side of caution when a strung out junkie isn't following orders.

Following orders from a police officer who has a gun drawn on you. Its so fucking simple. Don't act erratic, don't make sudden movements and listen to them like your life depends on it because it does.

 

[blue32]

They could throw a net on him. Or tranquilizers, or bean bags. It's not rocket science.

While I agree cops shouldn't be shooting anyone unless there is a most extreme circumstance, there is a racial component to it when white cops shoot unarmed black men in black neighborhoods. To ignore that kills any chance of solving the problem. The solution may be to hire more black cops to police those neighborhoods. I'm not saying that's all there is to it, but it would go a long way toward making the community more comfortable with the cops.

Where was your outrage here when this black officer shot another black man?!?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b0e66ae4b071840411c739

The solution isn't hiring more cops of color Denny. It's fixing the issue of poor training, AND fixing the issue of suspects not complying AND fixing the media agenda on this shit.

 

[Denny Crane]

Where was your outrage here when this black officer shot another black man?!?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b0e66ae4b071840411c739

The solution isn't hiring more cops of color Denny. It's fixing the issue of poor training, AND fixing the issue of suspects not complying AND fixing the media agenda on this shit.

If you mix white cops and black neighborhoods, you're going to end up with blacks getting shot by white cops.

It stinks of the old days when lynchings were more common and the police often took part.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If you mix black cops and black neighborhoods you're going to end up with blacks getting shot by black cops.
If you mix asian cops and black neighborhoods you're going to end up with blacks getting shot by asian cops.
If you mix latino cops and black neighborhoods you're going to end up with blacks getting shot by latino cops.
If you mix transgender cops and black neighborhoods you're going to end up with blacks getting shot by transgender cops.

 

[blue32]

If you mix white cops and black neighborhoods, you're going to end up with blacks getting shot by white cops.

It stinks of the old days when lynchings were more common and the police often took part.

This article I just posted was black on black dude.

 

[Denny Crane]

And if a suspect aims a gun at a cop, by all means the cop (or anyone else for that matter) has a right to self defense.

 

[Denny Crane]

This article I just posted was black on black dude.

I addressed your sentence after the link.

The solution isn't hiring more cops of color Denny. It's fixing the issue of poor training, AND fixing the issue of suspects not complying AND fixing the media agenda on this shit.


And I just addressed the black cop shooting the black guy with a gun.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Are you really making a PMS joke about a 68 year old woman?

Maybe he doesn't know about menopause?

 

[e_blazer]

They could throw a net on him. Or tranquilizers, or bean bags. It's not rocket science.

While I agree cops shouldn't be shooting anyone unless there is a most extreme circumstance, there is a racial component to it when white cops shoot unarmed black men in black neighborhoods. To ignore that kills any chance of solving the problem. The solution may be to hire more black cops to police those neighborhoods. I'm not saying that's all there is to it, but it would go a long way toward making the community more comfortable with the cops.

It was a black cop that shot the guy in Charlotte and still there were riots. This whole thing is hyper-sensitive right now and people are reacting with anger. Where the white perspective is generally that each incident has to be looked at separately based on the facts, it seems to me that BLM jumps to lumping them all together as a sign that there's a bigger problem where blacks are being killed disproportionately. The fact is that both views are correct.

 

[blue32]

I addressed your sentence after the link.

The solution isn't hiring more cops of color Denny. It's fixing the issue of poor training, AND fixing the issue of suspects not complying AND fixing the media agenda on this shit.


And I just addressed the black cop shooting the black guy with a gun.

I guess I don't see how you addressed it. But hiring more cops of any color doesn't solve a damn thing. it will just spread the stats around and screw up BLM's agenda.