I think Dame stays

[tykendo]

As he has said himself, "the grass ain't always greener". I think Dame has invested too much to give up now. Plus as he told Custer , the cost to said team wouldn't be low.

I think he's probably frustrated , but sees the bigger picture, and knows the team can still add some valuable veterans with deals in the near future. Joe Cronin said as much. Talking about the preliminary steps being set in place.


There is no guaranty a trade would get him any closer than just staying on course in Portland. Dame can lead this team. And he ain't taking a backseat to no one.

 

[julius]

You didn't hear? Cronin lied to him. He's as good as gone. In fact, he's already in the starting lineup for the Heat AND the Nets.

 

[Natebishop3]

You didn't hear? Cronin lied to him. He's as good as gone. In fact, he's already in the starting lineup for the Heat AND the Nets.

Maybe we could rent him for 50% of the season to each team. That’s legal right?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Depends on free agency or trades. If we don't make another move and only add mediocre vet minimums I'd say more likely he prefers getting out.

If we trade Ant for OG, sign Bruce Brown, sign Meyers Leonard I'd bet he for sure stays.

We'll likely do something between such extremes. I'd tend to think it's closer to the former than the latter but I guess we'll have to see.

 

[tykendo]

You didn't hear? Cronin lied to him. He's as good as gone. In fact, he's already in the starting lineup for the Heat AND the Nets.

Even Bobby Marks said Dame would probably do better by staying in Portland. Trades don't make sense. They would deplete whatever team he went to. That shit in Phoenix ain't gonna work. They have zero depth and absolutely no defense.

 

[julius]

Maybe we could rent him for 50% of the season to each team. That’s legal right?

Do it before the new CBA is ratified!

 

[glazeduck]

Even Bobby Marks said Dame would probably do better by staying in Portland. Trades don't make sense. They would deplete whatever team he went to. That shit in Phoenix ain't gonna work. They have zero depth and absolutely no defense.

That was definitely an interesting video. Felt like it was probably pushed by our FO, but it wasn't wrong...

 

[tykendo]

Depends on free agency or trades. If we don't make another move and only add mediocre vet minimums I'd say more likely he prefers getting out.

If we trade Ant for OG, sign Bruce Brown, sign Meyers Leonard I'd bet he for sure stays.

We'll likely do something between such extremes. I'd tend to think it's closer to the former than the latter but I guess we'll have to see.

Meyers? That ship has sailed. But i could see OG still in the works. That would be a fine addition. Browns staying in Denver.

 

[julius]

Even Bobby Marks said Dame would probably do better by staying in Portland. Trades don't make sense. They would deplete whatever team he went to. That shit in Phoenix ain't gonna work. They have zero depth and absolutely no defense.

Yeah, I think he'll eventually realize that what it would take to get him, is more than the other team could handle losing to win with him.

And there is no way that Miami is going to be able to trade a bucket of warm beer for Damian like their fans think.

Hell, if Portland can't trade Simons + #3 for Bridges, what makes people think the Blazers are going to trade Damian for scrubs??

 

[tykendo]

Maybe we could rent him for 50% of the season to each team. That’s legal right?

That's a trash take, and ain't funny man. i know you're trying to be cute, but show some F-ing respect.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Meyers? That ship has sailed. But i could see OG still in the works. That would be a fine addition. Browns staying in Denver.

As a 3rd string vet minimum center in case Nurk is hurt he's fine. I'm not saying pay him $12 million per year ...

 

[tykendo]

As a 3rd string vet minimum center in case Nurk is hurt he's fine. I'm not saying pay him $12 million per year ...

I get that, but naw. Eubanks is Bam on defense in comparison to Meyers. Meyers can hit a 3. otherwise he's a turnstile. Maybe a Jackson Hayes as stated in the FA thread.

 

[glazeduck]

As a 3rd string vet minimum center in case Nurk is hurt he's fine. I'm not saying pay him $12 million per year ...

no one is offering him that. Dude was a street FA last season with a bum (though supposedly improving) shoulder and a serious PR no-no on his record. I think he's looking at gladly accepting the Vet's min and running with it...

 

[Whyachi]

I'd rather lose for picks organically, then see the revenge of Meyers Leonard bad team in Portland.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, I think he'll eventually realize that what it would take to get him, is more than the other team could handle losing to win with him.

And there is no way that Miami is going to be able to trade a bucket of warm beer for Damian like their fans think.

Hell, if Portland can't trade Simons + #3 for Bridges, what makes people think the Blazers are going to trade Damian for scrubs??

What’s the long term path if Dame stays? Starting Scoot at shooting guard? What happens with Sharpe? Dame thinks he has at least 3-4 more years playing at this level. Is Scoot coming off the bench for three or four more years?

 

[Natebishop3]

That's a trash take, and ain't funny man. i know you're trying to be cute, but show some F-ing respect.

Lol piss off

 

[RonBrewer]

I agree.

Dame is not going to put this team in a bad place. He won't demand a trade that makes the team worse or hurts the team. I think he could change his mind if we don't do anything this offseason but i expect us to make some moves.

"

1. 
   Criticizing the Portland Trail Blazers for holding onto the No. 3 pick is misguided.
   
   It would be different if they held No. 8 or No. 9 (or later selections), claimed they were operating within Damian Lillard's window and then did nothing. But third overall was viewed as a franchise-altering choice, and the Blazers ended up with Scoot Henderson, the consensus second-best player of the draft. They're smart to prioritize the pick like a cornerstone. It's on the trade market to yield an acceptable return.
   
   And it still could.
   
   Megadeals don't have to happen on draft night. Portland has an entire offseason to go through."
   

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I get that, but naw. Eubanks is Bam on defense in comparison to Meyers. Meyers can hit a 3. otherwise he's a turnstile. Maybe a Jackson Hayes as stated in the FA thread.

I'm assuming Eubanks is back in addition to Meyers.

Of course Hayes is better; he's an MLE target.

What vet minimum center is better than Meyers? There might be one I'm not saying he's a stud or anything, but Andre Drummond type guys are signed at that level. Meyers provides a unique center skill in 3pt shooting, is only 31, can bang for a few minutes against big centers so we don't have to see a 6'7" Blazer do it again. I always hated him as a Blazer but at this point it's a totally different role and cost which is fine.

Either way he's a 13th man so it's not critical one way or the other. I just don't know of many great vet min center options.

 

[tykendo]

Lol piss off

 

[tykendo]

 

[sheed30]

You didn't hear? Cronin lied to him. He's as good as gone. In fact, he's already in the starting lineup for the Heat AND the Nets.

Garage, how do we know teams weren’t low balling us on offers for the #3?

 

[julius]

What’s the long term path if Dame stays? Starting Scoot at shooting guard? What happens with Sharpe? Dame thinks he has at least 3-4 more years playing at this level. Is Scoot coming off the bench for three or four more years?

Assuming Simons is traded, I think Scoot would be the 3rd guard, and probably get between 25-30 minutes a night.

Not sure how long he'll be OK with coming off the bench, though.

 

[julius]

Garage, how do we know teams weren’t low balling us on offers for the #3?

Wait...are you calling me garage?

We don't know they weren't low-balling the Blazers, which is why the people who are convinced that Cronin is "lying" or that they didn't try, come off a little conspiracy theorist.

 

[tykendo]

I'm assuming Eubanks is back in addition to Meyers.

Of course Hayes is better; he's an MLE target.

What vet minimum center is better than Meyers? There might be one I'm not saying he's a stud or anything, but Andre Drummond type guys are signed at that level. Meyers provides a unique center skill in 3pt shooting, is only 31, can bang for a few minutes against big centers so we don't have to see a 6'7" Blazer do it again. I always hated him as a Blazer but at this point it's a totally different role and cost which is fine.

Either way he's a 13th man so it's not critical one way or the other. I just don't know of many great vet min center options.

Agree on the 13th man. But maybe an older vet , to help with showing the youngsters the ropes of the League wouldn't hurt either .

 

[PCmor7]

Maybe we could rent him for 50% of the season to each team. That’s legal right?

Can we do something like Solomon and just trade the Heat one half of Dame and the Nets the other half?

 

[Natebishop3]

Wait...are you calling me garage?

We don't know they weren't low-balling the Blazers, which is why the people who are convinced that Cronin is "lying" or that they didn't try, come off a little conspiracy theorist.

You’re really more of a breezeway.

 

[andalusian]

TL;DR - I think Dame stays as well.

Dame is not stupid. He had first hand account of LMA bolting to SA and how it did not really work for him, he also had first hand account of how special Sharpe is going to be. It would have to be a crazy thing for him to leave - and frankly, I just don't see anything that will be better given his salary.

The Blazer will want picks and salary to trade him, the only reasonable team I can currently see that offers a competitive future and what Portland wants is Brooklyn. I imagine a way to match his salary will have to include Simmons, but Portland will want all the picks Broolyn can trade + at least one good player (Claxton). So, assume Nurk is part of the package that goes out, a Brooklyn team that got Dame, Bridges, Nurk and whatever else vs a team that includes Dame, Sharpe, Young Robert Parish (that's the 00 connection), Grant (another hand picked Dame player) and whatever the Blazers can aquire for Ant / Nurk (or even, Ant / Nurk) looks just as competitive or more. If Dame believes Sharpe can have the same growth curve we have seen at the end of the year for another year or two, he understands it would be foolish to ask for a trade like that.

Now, the Miami part, if the Hear can retain Bam and Jimmy Buckets is closer to offer a contender status, the question is, can Miami offer anything that the Blazers will be willing to accept given their lack of great picks? Doubtful, imho.

 

[e_blazer]

You’re really more of a breezeway.

I’ve always thought of him more as valet parking.

 

[Natebishop3]

TL;DR - I think Dame stays as well.

Dame is not stupid. He had first hand account of LMA bolting to SA and how it did not really work for him, he also had first hand account of how special Sharpe is going to be. It would have to be a crazy thing for him to leave - and frankly, I just don't see anything that will be better given his salary.

The Blazer will want picks and salary to trade him, the only reasonable team I can currently see that offers a competitive future and what Portland wants is Brooklyn. I imagine a way to match his salary will have to include Simmons, but Portland will want all the picks Broolyn can trade + at least one good player (Claxton). So, assume Nurk is part of the package that goes out, a Brooklyn team that got Dame, Bridges, Nurk and whatever else vs a team that includes Dame, Sharpe, Young Robert Parish (that's the 00 connection), Grant (another hand picked Dame player) and whatever the Blazers can aquire for Ant / Nurk (or even, Ant / Nurk) looks just as competitive or more. If Dame believes Sharpe can have the same growth curve we have seen at the end of the year for another year or two, he understands it would be foolish to ask for a trade like that.

Now, the Miami part, if the Hear can retain Bam and Jimmy Buckets is closer to offer a contender status, the question is, can Miami offer anything that the Blazers will be willing to accept given their lack of great picks? Doubtful, imho.

They have enough expiring deals that they can get Nurk and Dame without sending out Simmons.

I just don’t see how Dame/Scoot will work long term.

 

[andalusian]

They have enough expiring deals that they can get Nurk and Dame without sending out Simmons.

I just don’t see how Dame/Scoot will work long term.

The assumption was that these expiring are more likely to help Brooklyn than Simmons at this point, but who knows, maybe he saves his career. In other words, Dame, Bridges, Nurk and Simmons or Dame, Bridges, Nurk and whatever else the Nets do not trade vs. Dame, Shae, Grant, Scoot, and Ant/Nurk or Ant/Nurk's replacement... - the equation is still the same, I am not sure the Nets one gives Dame a better chance.

As for the 2nd portion: I am going to say that Dame and Scoot can work together the same way that a young Harden and a young Westbrook worked together - but for this to happen, Scoot has to show the same kind of defensive tenacity that a young Westbrook showed.

Westbrook was the guy that ran the break, had defensive presence as a guard where Harden was mostly the facilitator at the half-court and a 3 point threat in these early OKC teams. This could be the blueprint for a Dame / Scoot co-existence.