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andalusian said:
TL;DR - I think Dame stays as well.

Dame is not stupid. He had first hand account of LMA bolting to SA and how it did not really work for him, he also had first hand account of how special Sharpe is going to be. It would have to be a crazy thing for him to leave - and frankly, I just don't see anything that will be better given his salary.

The Blazer will want picks and salary to trade him, the only reasonable team I can currently see that offers a competitive future and what Portland wants is Brooklyn. I imagine a way to match his salary will have to include Simmons, but Portland will want all the picks Broolyn can trade + at least one good player (Claxton). So, assume Nurk is part of the package that goes out, a Brooklyn team that got Dame, Bridges, Nurk and whatever else vs a team that includes Dame, Sharpe, Young Robert Parish (that's the 00 connection), Grant (another hand picked Dame player) and whatever the Blazers can aquire for Ant / Nurk (or even, Ant / Nurk) looks just as competitive or more. If Dame believes Sharpe can have the same growth curve we have seen at the end of the year for another year or two, he understands it would be foolish to ask for a trade like that.

Now, the Miami part, if the Hear can retain Bam and Jimmy Buckets is closer to offer a contender status, the question is, can Miami offer anything that the Blazers will be willing to accept given their lack of great picks? Doubtful, imho.
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Nailed it
 
julius said:
You didn't hear? Cronin lied to him. He's as good as gone. In fact, he's already in the starting lineup for the Heat AND the Nets.
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And when they play each other people will talk about how bad his defense is.
 
andalusian said:
TL;DR - I think Dame stays as well.

Dame is not stupid. He had first hand account of LMA bolting to SA and how it did not really work for him, he also had first hand account of how special Sharpe is going to be. It would have to be a crazy thing for him to leave - and frankly, I just don't see anything that will be better given his salary.

The Blazer will want picks and salary to trade him, the only reasonable team I can currently see that offers a competitive future and what Portland wants is Brooklyn. I imagine a way to match his salary will have to include Simmons, but Portland will want all the picks Broolyn can trade + at least one good player (Claxton). So, assume Nurk is part of the package that goes out, a Brooklyn team that got Dame, Bridges, Nurk and whatever else vs a team that includes Dame, Sharpe, Young Robert Parish (that's the 00 connection), Grant (another hand picked Dame player) and whatever the Blazers can aquire for Ant / Nurk (or even, Ant / Nurk) looks just as competitive or more. If Dame believes Sharpe can have the same growth curve we have seen at the end of the year for another year or two, he understands it would be foolish to ask for a trade like that.

Now, the Miami part, if the Hear can retain Bam and Jimmy Buckets is closer to offer a contender status, the question is, can Miami offer anything that the Blazers will be willing to accept given their lack of great picks? Doubtful, imho.
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It won't be the Heat. I don't care how badly Dame wants to go there or how much Jimmy recruits him, that's not happening.

The Jazz (who Dame has apparently had on his list previously) and Rockets are the two other teams who have the right kind of youth/draft picks to put something reasonable together. Problem is Utah likely wouldn't be any more competitive than we could be and I don't see us trading Dame in-division; and the Rockets' inclusion would necessitate Dame and Harden successfully recruiting each other there -- an obvious hurdle but not unthinkable.

It does look like the Nets are the leaders in the clubhouse for this imaginary thing that may or may not happen...
 
andalusian said:
The assumption was that these expiring are more likely to help Brooklyn than Simmons at this point, but who knows, maybe he saves his career. In other words, Dame, Bridges, Nurk and Simmons or Dame, Bridges, Nurk and whatever else the Nets do not trade vs. Dame, Shae, Grant, Scoot, and Ant/Nurk or Ant/Nurk's replacement... - the equation is still the same, I am not sure the Nets one gives Dame a better chance.

As for the 2nd portion: I am going to say that Dame and Scoot can work together the same way that a young Harden and a young Westbrook worked together - but for this to happen, Scoot has to show the same kind of defensive tenacity that a young Westbrook showed.

Westbrook was the guy that ran the break, had defensive presence as a guard where Harden was mostly the facilitator at the half-court and a 3 point threat in these early OKC teams. This could be the blueprint for a Dame / Scoot co-existence.
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I guess I don’t understand the comparison. Harden is 6’5 and instead of it being Russ/Harden/Durant it’s Dame/Scoot/Sharpe. We are missing some size and length in that comparison.
 
When has Dame ever said that it's a championship or bust for him?

His actions and words have been the opposite. In fact, he just recently said the opposite - that the "championship culture" of the NBA is kinda silly, given how few players actually ever win one. George Karl recently reiterated that same opinion.

The only real issue imo is what @Natebishop3 has said - what to do about Scoot? Because it is hard to see how they co-exisit longterm. For that reason, I think Dame may be gone, but not because he's demanding a trade to a contender.
 
Stevenson said:
When has Dame ever said that it's a championship or bust for him?

His actions and words have been the opposite. In fact, he just recently said the opposite - that the "championship culture" of the NBA is kinda silly, given how few players actually ever win one. He said that measuring a successful career requires a lot more than looking at championships. George Karl recently reiterated that same opinion.

It's only the talking heads who have said "we owe him" a chance for a championship. He's never even implied that.
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You’re right. Dame hasn’t specifically said championship. He said he wants to compete and I think Haynes said that Dame wants a punchers chance. The problem is that we are most likely a ways off of even having a punchers chance.
 
PDXFonz said:
And when they play each other people will talk about how bad his defense is.
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Chauncey said the new rookies aren't "normal" rookies. "They've been playing against men", they're ready to roll. Will the reporters return to these statements if Billups begins reiterating his commonly used inexperience excuses after ugly Blazer games?
 
Maybe Aaron Rodgers can refer Dame to the Southern Oregon darkness retreat so he can gain even more rose colored clarity?! :dunno:
 
I also think he stays and I (!) think that the draft actually fits with the plan if they indeed clear out the old bench and replace with older players. But it’ll take a few trades and a lot of negotiation. We’ll see.
 
tykendo said:
Even Bobby Marks said Dame would probably do better by staying in Portland. Trades don't make sense. They would deplete whatever team he went to. That shit in Phoenix ain't gonna work. They have zero depth and absolutely no defense.
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This. Dame wants to contend. What team could trade value for Dame, and still be a contender. I find the sheer quantity of Dame wants out to be on a better team hysteria to be borderline ridiculous.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I guess I don’t understand the comparison. Harden is 6’5 and instead of it being Russ/Harden/Durant it’s Dame/Scoot/Sharpe. We are missing some size and length in that comparison.
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The blueprint is for style between the 2 guards that need the ball in their hand to be productive, between harden and Westbrook it was the shorter one that was a better defender, so, if scoot can reproduce the defensive intensity that Westbrook had as a young guard, you get the blueprint for how the 2 ball dominant guards can coexist productively.
 
Anyone concerned about the defense of a Dame, Scoot and Sharpe lineup?
 
I think Dame stays….till the trade deadline when we are 10th/11th in the west and someone offers us a mega package we can’t turn down then have multiple lotto picks next year where we get our Bigs of the future.
 
LayneStaley said:
I think Dame stays….till the trade deadline when we are 10th/11th in the west and someone offers us a mega package we can’t turn down then have multiple lotto picks next year where we get our Bigs of the future.
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Yeaaaah this trade deadline is gonna be LIT FAMS!
 
I think the next move could/should for a long versatile vet. Is PG obtainable? Pascal?
 
julius said:
You didn't hear? Cronin lied to him. He's as good as gone. In fact, he's already in the starting lineup for the Heat AND the Nets.
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That is certainly what some people on twitter are saying but I don't know where they come up with that? There are a couple that seem to think they know what has been said between the GM and the player/agent. Not sure how they got that info? Kind of seems like they are projecting quite a bit.
 
Cronin: Dame, we offered Ant and 3 to Brooklyn for Mikal, they said no. We asked about Siakam, Ujiri wants you for Pascal. NOLA offers Zion for Ant Shae 3. None of those and other options make sense for us.

Dame: I understand. I'm not stupid. You did the right thing.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
That is certainly what some people on twitter are saying but I don't know where they come up with that? There are a couple that seem to think they know what has been said between the GM and the player/agent. Not sure how they got that info? Kind of seems like they are projecting quite a bit.
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To me it feels like someone who is angry about the lack of movement, with a hint of inflated ego regarding what they think they know.

Kind of like how we used to hear people complain that they couldn't believe "they didn't trade for" a certain player/players because they were personally able to use the ESPN trade machine and find a trade that could work financially...but didn't put into consideration that both teams have to agree with the parameters of the trade.

A lot of "black or white" thinking, imho. "We are going to try to upgrade the roster" is not the same as "we ARE going to upgrade the roster". If Cronin (etc) wanted to upgrade the roster, but didn't want to get fleeced, he's smart not to trade the #3 pick + Anfernee + Shaedon for someone like Zion or Pascal or Bridges. And yes, they did "get fleeced" trading away Roco and Norm, but that was under different circumstances. Much like the Wizards giving away Beal and KP has no bearing on the Blazers trading Dame for pennies on the dollar. Past trades don't necessarily mean future trades will all follow that forumula. If they did, Cronin would've probably already traded with Toronto or given up a lot of players + picks for Bridges. You can't complain that he gets fleeced one minute, and then bitch that he didn't get fleeced the next.

But until we know for sure that the Blazers passed on trades that were good deals financially and player movement wise, I guess it's easier for them to act like they know the details of the trades and assume we're just Cronin apologists (instead of actually being pragmatic about things).
 
So many rosters were “better” than DEN on paper. Just ask Vegas at the start of the season. Talent is one part of the equation as are fit, chemistry, coaching, health, and a dash of luck. Somehow Vegas doesn’t get that because betting activity is driven by everyday ordinary douchebags like you and me.
 
inconceivable said:
Tell me what west teams are scare you.

I run through them all, only Denver because of Jokic.
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I think there aren't too many teams in the west that are guaranteed to be significantly better than the Blazers (Denver and Phoenix). But even Phoenix is an unknown, tbh. They might have over-tinkered with that roster, fired their coach and went full on NBA2K with thinking they only have to put stars together.

That's not to say Portland would be a better team next year (even with a miracle trade of Simons + futures for someone like OG), but even the teams that did 'get better' (G-State this off season, and the Lakers at the trade deadline) are still dealing with getting old and potential injury issues.

Dallas is a cluster, Minnesota is cluster, Memphis is an unknown (due to the suspension/whether or not Smart will work/be right for them), San Antonio probably won't be a playoff team, Utah is in the mix, OKC...well, you get the point. There's a bunch of teams in the middle that aren't significantly better or worse than each other.

HOWEVER, if Portland goes into this next season with the roster as is (which imho, feels like a distinct possibility), then nothing of what I said above will be true. They will probably be, at best, among the teams fighting for a play-in. And not in the good way (meaning if they were in the 4-6 range vs the 12-10 range).
 
Freshtown said:
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I wonder how much of these kinds of posts are based on the interview he did where he was asked if he would like to play for Brooklyn or Miami, and not Dame actually saying he wants to be traded.

In other words, until Damian himself says it, it means nothing.
 
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