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julius said:
To me it feels like someone who is angry about the lack of movement, with a hint of inflated ego regarding what they think they know.

Kind of like how we used to hear people complain that they couldn't believe "they didn't trade for" a certain player/players because they were personally able to use the ESPN trade machine and find a trade that could work financially...but didn't put into consideration that both teams have to agree with the parameters of the trade.

A lot of "black or white" thinking, imho. "We are going to try to upgrade the roster" is not the same as "we ARE going to upgrade the roster". If Cronin (etc) wanted to upgrade the roster, but didn't want to get fleeced, he's smart not to trade the #3 pick + Anfernee + Shaedon for someone like Zion or Pascal or Bridges. And yes, they did "get fleeced" trading away Roco and Norm, but that was under different circumstances. Much like the Wizards giving away Beal and KP has no bearing on the Blazers trading Dame for pennies on the dollar. Past trades don't necessarily mean future trades will all follow that forumula. If they did, Cronin would've probably already traded with Toronto or given up a lot of players + picks for Bridges. You can't complain that he gets fleeced one minute, and then bitch that he didn't get fleeced the next.

But until we know for sure that the Blazers passed on trades that were good deals financially and player movement wise, I guess it's easier for them to act like they know the details of the trades and assume we're just Cronin apologists (instead of actually being pragmatic about things).
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Forgot to add this.

Just because Cronin didn't make a trade already doesn't mean he lied to damian and made a decision to go young.
 
inconceivable said:
Cronin: Dame, we offered Ant and 3 to Brooklyn for Mikal, they said no. We asked about Siakam, Ujiri wants you for Pascal. NOLA offers Zion for Ant Shae 3. None of those and other options make sense for us.

Dame: I understand. I'm not stupid. You did the right thing.
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Dame: But.... I still want out.
 
julius said:
I wonder how much of these kinds of posts are based on the interview he did where he was asked if he would like to play for Brooklyn or Miami, and not Dame actually saying he wants to be traded.

In other words, until Damian himself says it, it means nothing.
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Who even knows anymore.... journalism is entirely about repeating something someone else said.

Most people don't realize this until it's a topic that they care about and they see it rehashed over and over and over. Back when I first started working for ESPN/Sportstalk, my job was to go around to like 50 newspapers and put stories into a database. What I took from that experience is there there are no unique ideas. It was just 50 different ways people were writing the same story.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Looks like Amic is in need of clicks this morning. So he repeated the same shit that everyone else has said for weeks. Or are we supposed to think he has breaking news?
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Vic Lombardi (Denver's best sports guy), IMO , said this morning , the Nat'l Media is conjuring up this whole Dame B.S. and needs to knock it the Bleep off. Way to go Vic. Met him when i lived there, a real cool dude. Even cooler now.
 
Freshtown said:
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based upon what?

my bet is that all Amick is doing is basing that on the interview Dame did about 3 weeks ago when he was asked about Miami. I'd bet even more Amick has no new information and hasn't heard anything else that hasn't come from the massive idiots-on-drugs echo chamber the NBA twitter & blog-o-sphere has become
 
inconceivable said:
Cronin: Dame, we offered Ant and 3 to Brooklyn for Mikal, they said no. We asked about Siakam, Ujiri wants you for Pascal. NOLA offers Zion for Ant Shae 3. None of those and other options make sense for us.

Dame: I understand. I'm not stupid. You did the right thing.
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If he thinks it makes sense for the team, any team, to gut themselves for probably what would be at best a maybe, then he's more delusional than most sports fans. When has that *ever* worked? (and no, DeRozan for Leonard is not gutting ones team).

Nets gutted their team for Kyrie and KD, didn't work.

Phoenix gutted their team for KD, and it didn't work last year.

Dallas traded for Kyrie, and it blew up in their face.

Twolves traded a BOAT load of assets for Gobert, and it hasn't worked out so far.

Twolves trading for Butler didn't work out. 76ers trading for Butler didn't work out (scratch that, I think he signed as a FA with the 76ers). 76ers trading for Harden didn't work out. The Nets trading for Simmons didn't work out.

One trade that might work out was Utah trading Mitchell to the Cavs. But even that, Cleveland lost in the first round and realistically, they aren't a title contender.

For Portland to lose Simons, #3 and Sharpe to appease him isn't going to help the team win a title any sooner. Who is the backup guard? Who is the starting guard? The team still would have an anemic bench.
 
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Maybe I'm crazy.... but Dame wanting to join Miami would be the exact OPPOSITE of running from the grind. The only worse destination would be Denver.

I think he could join Brooklyn with his reputation intact.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe I'm crazy.... but Dame wanting to join Miami would be the exact OPPOSITE of running from the grind. The only worse destination would be Denver.

I think he could join Brooklyn with his reputation intact.
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Agreed. He chastised guys for ring chasing, and that's pretty much what they're implying he *wants* to do here.

Plus, the whole "he fits miami like a glove" is funny, since they demand you play defense.
 
The only reporters that I think you actually might have to listen to would be Haynes, Jake Fisher, Highkin... maybe a couple others. Depends on who Dame's agent is close with. It's possible Stein might have something. Marang claims to have connections but I don't believe it.

But I don't believe Windhorst likely has connections. Most of these journalists don't have inroads to Dame. They're just rehashing what has already been said/reported.
 
julius said:
Agreed. He chastised guys for ring chasing, and that's pretty much what they're implying he *wants* to do here.

Plus, the whole "he fits miami like a glove" is funny, since they demand you play defense.
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They demand you play defense, but the guys that do don't play it well. Denver had little problems with their D.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who even knows anymore.... journalism is entirely about repeating something someone else said.

Most people don't realize this until it's a topic that they care about and they see it rehashed over and over and over. Back when I first started working for ESPN/Sportstalk, my job was to go around to like 50 newspapers and put stories into a database. What I took from that experience is there there are no unique ideas. It was just 50 different ways people were writing the same story.
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Working in the same industry, I know what you're talking about. There are unique ideas out there, but they are so few and far between. Sometimes they come from people at the smaller papers, who, unfortunately, are also tasked with putting together nightly roundups of high school tennis that have to be taken care of before they can do something enterprising or just a fresh take.

Going off topic for just the one post, I worked at a paper that put a lot of resources into covering Penn State football, so eyes really were on us during the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Our beat writer also did a local radio show with an ESPN affiliate, and he got time on TV as a result until he went on an unhinged, expletive-spiced tirade and apparently someone at the network finally decided to go another direction. I even got asked once.

Anyway, our beat writer never broke any news on the Sandusky thing, never had a fresh take. His coverage was commentary a couple of times per week basically joining the torch-and-pitchfork crowd. He came down against Joe Paterno like the rest of the national media even though the state DA's office said following the investigation that Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do when an assistant coach came to him to say he thought he saw something.

One of our other staff finally got to talking with our beat writer about the coverage and our beat writer agreed that not all the criticism was valid. He asked then why our beat writer never wrote that. Our beat writer said, "If I do that, everyone's going to say I'm a Penn State homer or a pedophile enabler." He wasn't going to risk that even though basically everyone in our editorial department with all the information coming out felt the same way -- that there were people who actually did act appropriately that were being scapegoated because other people dropped the ball or turned a blind eye.

Another time, I wrote a column on a sensitive topic. Despite being almost completely positively received and drawing the most social media engagement I think of any in-house production since I was on staff, I got called in by the managing editor and chided on it, not because what I wrote was wrong, but because it was controversial.

But, yeah, getting the story out there first instead of doing actual strong journalism because of the never-ending news cycle and social media has led to more commentary than actual reporting and more journalists reacting to the reports of their colleagues than actually doing their own investigation.
 
The Lillard updates aren't interesting anymore, says Ryen Russillo.
"I'm officially tapped out on all of them."
He addresses the Blazers' situation at the beginning of his podcast and discusses why trades weren't made.

 
Natebishop3 said:
The only reporters that I think you actually might have to listen to would be Haynes, Jake Fisher, Highkin... maybe a couple others. Depends on who Dame's agent is close with. It's possible Stein might have something. Marang claims to have connections but I don't believe it.

But I don't believe Windhorst likely has connections. Most of these journalists don't have inroads to Dame. They're just rehashing what has already been said/reported.
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And even with guys like Haynes, Fisher, Highkin, you still have to be careful what you accept and what you don't. Haynes has said he thought stuff but acknowledged he didn't talk to Dame (and, from how I remember him phrasing it, it didn't sound like he talked to Dame's representation, either). Plus, all those guys have copy and clicks to sell. It's easier to roll with the tide like the "Dame wants traded" stuff a couple of years ago and be one of the masses of wrong than to go against the grain, say he might but it's not certain, and then turn out to be one of a handful that end up being wrong and being spotlighted for that.

There's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance at play, too. I'm sure a lot of these guys see all of their peers absolutely certain that Dame's going to be traded and thinking "If they all think this, they must know something" instead of trusting their own instincts. They become part of the mob without even really knowing why.
 
PCmor7 said:
Working in the same industry, I know what you're talking about. There are unique ideas out there, but they are so few and far between. Sometimes they come from people at the smaller papers, who, unfortunately, are also tasked with putting together nightly roundups of high school tennis that have to be taken care of before they can do something enterprising or just a fresh take.

Going off topic for just the one post, I worked at a paper that put a lot of resources into covering Penn State football, so eyes really were on us during the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Our beat writer also did a local radio show with an ESPN affiliate, and he got time on TV as a result until he went on an unhinged, expletive-spiced tirade and apparently someone at the network finally decided to go another direction. I even got asked once.

Anyway, our beat writer never broke any news on the Sandusky thing, never had a fresh take. His coverage was commentary a couple of times per week basically joining the torch-and-pitchfork crowd. He came down against Joe Paterno like the rest of the national media even though the state DA's office said following the investigation that Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do when an assistant coach came to him to say he thought he saw something.

One of our other staff finally got to talking with our beat writer about the coverage and our beat writer agreed that not all the criticism was valid. He asked then why our beat writer never wrote that. Our beat writer said, "If I do that, everyone's going to say I'm a Penn State homer or a pedophile enabler." He wasn't going to risk that even though basically everyone in our editorial department with all the information coming out felt the same way -- that there were people who actually did act appropriately that were being scapegoated because other people dropped the ball or turned a blind eye.

Another time, I wrote a column on a sensitive topic. Despite being almost completely positively received and drawing the most social media engagement I think of any in-house production since I was on staff, I got called in by the managing editor and chided on it, not because what I wrote was wrong, but because it was controversial.

But, yeah, getting the story out there first instead of doing actual strong journalism because of the never-ending news cycle and social media has led to more commentary than actual reporting and more journalists reacting to the reports of their colleagues than actually doing their own investigation.
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What's really funny is seeing how 100 different people all write the same thing about the Super Bowl.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The Lillard updates aren't interesting anymore, says Ryen Russillo.
"I'm officially tapped out on all of them."
He addresses the Blazers' situation at the beginning of his podcast and discusses why trades weren't made.

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He nailed it, imho. It's exhausting to hear, constantly, about how Dame wants out, Dame should want out, Dame should go to XYZ, Portland will never win a title, etc...it's just tiresome. Especially considering Dame is planting seeds, knowingly or unknowingly, and imho it isn't doing himself any favors.
 
PCmor7 said:
And even with guys like Haynes, Fisher, Highkin, you still have to be careful what you accept and what you don't. Haynes has said he thought stuff but acknowledged he didn't talk to Dame (and, from how I remember him phrasing it, it didn't sound like he talked to Dame's representation, either). Plus, all those guys have copy and clicks to sell. It's easier to roll with the tide like the "Dame wants traded" stuff a couple of years ago and be one of the masses of wrong than to go against the grain, say he might but it's not certain, and then turn out to be one of a handful that end up being wrong and being spotlighted for that.

There's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance at play, too. I'm sure a lot of these guys see all of their peers absolutely certain that Dame's going to be traded and thinking "If they all think this, they must know something" instead of trusting their own instincts. They become part of the mob without even really knowing why.
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This is why I cling so hard to words that actually come out of Dame's mouth because he actually said them and they're not coming from someone else.
 
PCmor7 said:
Same.
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I also love when it's a full interview and not a snipped quote from an interview. Since you're in the industry I'm sure you know, quotes are taken out of context all the time. If it's a full interview I can see the entire statement, the inflection, body language (if it's video) etc. All of that can be extremely important when understanding exactly what someone said.
 
julius said:
To me it feels like someone who is angry about the lack of movement, with a hint of inflated ego regarding what they think they know.

Kind of like how we used to hear people complain that they couldn't believe "they didn't trade for" a certain player/players because they were personally able to use the ESPN trade machine and find a trade that could work financially...but didn't put into consideration that both teams have to agree with the parameters of the trade.

A lot of "black or white" thinking, imho. "We are going to try to upgrade the roster" is not the same as "we ARE going to upgrade the roster". If Cronin (etc) wanted to upgrade the roster, but didn't want to get fleeced, he's smart not to trade the #3 pick + Anfernee + Shaedon for someone like Zion or Pascal or Bridges. And yes, they did "get fleeced" trading away Roco and Norm, but that was under different circumstances. Much like the Wizards giving away Beal and KP has no bearing on the Blazers trading Dame for pennies on the dollar. Past trades don't necessarily mean future trades will all follow that forumula. If they did, Cronin would've probably already traded with Toronto or given up a lot of players + picks for Bridges. You can't complain that he gets fleeced one minute, and then bitch that he didn't get fleeced the next.

But until we know for sure that the Blazers passed on trades that were good deals financially and player movement wise, I guess it's easier for them to act like they know the details of the trades and assume we're just Cronin apologists (instead of actually being pragmatic about things).
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Yeah there is always way more to it than "they could have so why didn't they?".
It's not black and white and i also agree there is some ego involved as well as fishing for clicks on lets say a site or channel they are pushing. It pays money to be controversial.
On another note that you mentioned. I personally feel and have heard both Rocco and Norm did not want to be here any longer and did not want to continue under Chauncey. That left Cronin in a position that he needed to make changes or risk total havoc with the team. What i heard, and no it's not a great source, is that they wanted to make the moves that made at least some sense for the players as well as the teams involved. Blazers didn't do well with those moves but it could have been worse for sure. It did open up room for Grant.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I also love when it's a full interview and not a snipped quote from an interview. Since you're in the industry I'm sure you know, quotes are taken out of context all the time. If it's a full interview I can see the entire statement, the inflection, body language (if it's video) etc. All of that can be extremely important when understanding exactly what someone said.
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Absolutely. And we still came to different interpretations.
 
julius said:
If he thinks it makes sense for the team, any team, to gut themselves for probably what would be at best a maybe, then he's more delusional than most sports fans. When has that *ever* worked? (and no, DeRozan for Leonard is not gutting ones team).

Nets gutted their team for Kyrie and KD, didn't work.

Phoenix gutted their team for KD, and it didn't work last year.

Dallas traded for Kyrie, and it blew up in their face.

Twolves traded a BOAT load of assets for Gobert, and it hasn't worked out so far.

Twolves trading for Butler didn't work out. 76ers trading for Butler didn't work out (scratch that, I think he signed as a FA with the 76ers). 76ers trading for Harden didn't work out. The Nets trading for Simmons didn't work out.

One trade that might work out was Utah trading Mitchell to the Cavs. But even that, Cleveland lost in the first round and realistically, they aren't a title contender.

For Portland to lose Simons, #3 and Sharpe to appease him isn't going to help the team win a title any sooner. Who is the backup guard? Who is the starting guard? The team still would have an anemic bench.
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Yeah, if Cronin executed draft day as best as he possible could given the circumstances, a smart man that Lillard is would not say, "Because you did not trade for a veteran, I wanna ask out"
 




These guys are all defeated after tooting for months that Dame wouldn't be traded.
 
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