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magnifier661 said:
Well so far, the homers win and realists are fencing for excuses that don't apply to other contenders.
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I'm not a huge fan of creating sides, but I do so to lend explanation. The bigger divide for me is the Blazer "believers" versus the "non-believers".

From my perspective, the best analogy I can think of is to look at being a Blazer fan like I look at being Christian. I can't understand those that call themselves Blazer fans, but don't believe in this team. To your point mags, the non-believers use the defense that they are realists. Someone even used the term "atheist" yesterday. Which made me ask myself, so wait, if Blazer fans believe like Christians, and you call yourself an atheist, then I think we've identified the conflict and why these contentious discussions keep occurring.

I'm of the opinion that you aren't a Blazer fan if you don't believe in this team. Some may disagree, but that's my perspective. It sheds light on why the Blazer atheists call themselves realists, and why they tend to seek to tear down, or discredit, what Blazer fans believe. So, I guess my point is, if you aren't a believer, why post on a Blazer board if your goal is not to troll? It's like going to a Christian forum to post and argue with all the believer what's wrong with Christianity.

To be clear, I don't care if you're Christian, or atheist, or Hindu. But I do question why someone would post their non-believer opinions in an attempt to troll, if not change, the way Blazer believers think?

This isn't a religious debate, just using an analogy to lend explain what I've noticed on this forum.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
I'm not a huge fan of creating sides, but I do so to lend explanation. The bigger divide for me is the Blazer "believers" versus the "non-believers".

From my perspective, the best analogy I can think of is to look at being a Blazer fan like I look at being Christian. I can't understand those that call themselves Blazer fans, but don't believe in this team. To your point mags, the non-believers use the defense that they are realists. Someone even used the term "atheist" yesterday. Which made me ask myself, so wait, if Blazer fans believe like Christians, and you call yourself an atheist, then I think we've identified the conflict and why these contentious discussions keep occurring.

I'm of the opinion that you aren't a Blazer fan if you don't believe in this team. Some may disagree, but that's my perspective. It sheds light on why the Blazer atheists call themselves realists, and why they tend to seek to tear down, or discredit, what Blazer fans believe. So, I guess my point is, if you aren't a believer, why post on a Blazer board if your goal is not to troll? It's like going to a Christian forum to post and argue with all the believer what's wrong with Christianity.

To be clear, I don't care if you're Christian, or atheist, or Hindu. But I do question why someone would post their non-believer opinions in an attempt to troll, if not change, the way Blazer believers think?

This isn't a religious debate, just using an analogy to lend explain what I've noticed on this forum.
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Hmm, so by this logic, you believed last year and the year before that we were contenders as well because as a Christian I don't pick and choose what day to believe in God.

God has no flaws, he is perfect. The Blazers have many flaws

As a Christian, I believe God is perfect. As a Blazer fan I can see with my own eyes their flaws on defense, the bench, lack of front court depth and points in the paint scoring

I think your analogy is WAY off base.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
In general, people crave attention more than they crave being accurate.
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Absolutely. And multiplied ten-fold in sports media. The very term "contender" is kind of a joke, as if there's some kind of magical binary label that separates the good teams from the bad. The power rankings, the rating formulas, the contender lists, and all the rest of the analyst mumbo-jumbo is basically just a bunch of manufactured talking points meant to rile up sports fans (see how well it's working here?) with almost no bearing on who will actually "contend".

I think there's some confusion flying around regarding what you mean by having "belief" in a sports team. Are you talking about rooting for and supporting the team, no matter what? Or are you talking about having heartfelt confidence that the team will win it all every single season?
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
I'm not a huge fan of creating sides, but I do so to lend explanation. The bigger divide for me is the Blazer "believers" versus the "non-believers".

From my perspective, the best analogy I can think of is to look at being a Blazer fan like I look at being Christian. I can't understand those that call themselves Blazer fans, but don't believe in this team. To your point mags, the non-believers use the defense that they are realists. Someone even used the term "atheist" yesterday. Which made me ask myself, so wait, if Blazer fans believe like Christians, and you call yourself an atheist, then I think we've identified the conflict and why these contentious discussions keep occurring.

I'm of the opinion that you aren't a Blazer fan if you don't believe in this team. Some may disagree, but that's my perspective. It sheds light on why the Blazer atheists call themselves realists, and why they tend to seek to tear down, or discredit, what Blazer fans believe. So, I guess my point is, if you aren't a believer, why post on a Blazer board if your goal is not to troll? It's like going to a Christian forum to post and argue with all the believer what's wrong with Christianity.

To be clear, I don't care if you're Christian, or atheist, or Hindu. But I do question why someone would post their non-believer opinions in an attempt to troll, if not change, the way Blazer believers think?

This isn't a religious debate, just using an analogy to lend explain what I've noticed on this forum.
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While I do believe there are 'trolls' that post on this forum (people who take a particular stance for a reaction...), I don't think that posters sharing the opinion that the Blazers might be playing above their heads right now and might come down is the same thing as trolling.

The Blazers are good, and we all pretty much know that at this point. There seems to be some variance in opinion of exactly how good they are. I believe they're good, and I also agree with MM that there are some critical issues about their defense and their bench. That doesn't make watching the games any less enjoyable to me, and it doesn't make the wins any less sweeter.

A lot of what you're talking about is a philosophical question about what it means to be a fan of a team. I think the answer to this question is different to everyone, and it's kind of funny that this really comes out when a team starts winning beyond everyone's expectations.
 
Samuel said:
A lot of what you're talking about is a philosophical question about what it means to be a fan of a team. I think the answer to this question is different to everyone, and it's kind of funny that this really comes out when a team starts winning beyond everyone's expectations.
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Perhaps, but this is what gets lost in the heated discussions. Throw in the sporadic troll that seeks to only get a rise out of people, and you get a lengthy mess of boring discourse. My point is not to call anyone out, but to have fans ask themselves to be upfront about where they are coming from (i.e. believer or non-believer). It's much easier to understand one's opinion when I know where they are coming from. Although I stand by my analogy that it doesn't make sense to me for an antheist to argue with Christians on a Christian forum.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
I'm not a huge fan of creating sides, but I do so to lend explanation. The bigger divide for me is the Blazer "believers" versus the "non-believers".

From my perspective, the best analogy I can think of is to look at being a Blazer fan like I look at being Christian. I can't understand those that call themselves Blazer fans, but don't believe in this team. To your point mags, the non-believers use the defense that they are realists. Someone even used the term "atheist" yesterday. Which made me ask myself, so wait, if Blazer fans believe like Christians, and you call yourself an atheist, then I think we've identified the conflict and why these contentious discussions keep occurring.

I'm of the opinion that you aren't a Blazer fan if you don't believe in this team. Some may disagree, but that's my perspective. It sheds light on why the Blazer atheists call themselves realists, and why they tend to seek to tear down, or discredit, what Blazer fans believe. So, I guess my point is, if you aren't a believer, why post on a Blazer board if your goal is not to troll? It's like going to a Christian forum to post and argue with all the believer what's wrong with Christianity.

To be clear, I don't care if you're Christian, or atheist, or Hindu. But I do question why someone would post their non-believer opinions in an attempt to troll, if not change, the way Blazer believers think?

This isn't a religious debate, just using an analogy to lend explain what I've noticed on this forum.
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HAHAHA

That just might be the stupidest analogy I've heard in my entire life.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Because... Lot's of critics of "the analogy". It's a great analogy if people can't explain why it's not, let alone offer a better analogy. ;)
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It's a bad analogy because belief in a higher power is almost completely unrelated to belief in a sports team. Comparing the two is nonsensical.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Because... Lot's of critics of "the analogy". It's a great analogy if people can't explain why it's not, let alone offer a better analogy. ;)
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It's easy to give a better analogy.

A fan is like a parent. Even when their child does wrong, they still love them. They amplify the smallest accomplishments, and stand firm against any negativity that is tossed their way. Regardless of where their team sits, they will always love their team.

Believing in God is loving a being that is perfect, does no wrong and will always overcome. If that were the case, our team would be winning each and every title ever existing.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
There have been 5 times this season where the Blazers have been the worst team on the court. Worst team! Fact!
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Yes and it has been one heck of a long time since we seen them be the best team on th court
20 plus times before Christmas.

I enjoy watching this team play, there are things I wish they would do, there a plays I wish they would run, there are things I wish Stotts would do, but I enjoy watching them play every game I watch. It has been one hell of a long time since I could say that.
 
MarAzul said:
Yes and it has been one heck of a long time since we seen them be the best team on th court
20 plus times before Christmas.

I enjoy watching this team play, there are things I wish they would do, there a plays I wish they would run, there are things I wish Stotts would do, but I enjoy watching them play every game I watch. It has been one hell of a long time since I could say that.
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Who is this and what have you done to MarAzul?
 
TripTango said:
It's a bad analogy because belief in a higher power is almost completely unrelated to belief in a sports team. Comparing the two is nonsensical.
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magnifier661 said:
It's easy to give a better analogy.

A fan is like a parent. Even when their child does wrong, they still love them. They amplify the smallest accomplishments, and stand firm against any negativity that is tossed their way. Regardless of where their team sits, they will always love their team.

Believing in God is loving a being that is perfect, does no wrong and will always overcome. If that were the case, our team would be winning each and every title ever existing.
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Of course it's non-nonsensical if you are going to get that literal. I didn't mention God's infallibility as part of any parallel, any more than you mentioned the "absolute influence" a parent has on a child. That wasn't the parallel I was making, so that explains a bit.

Parents have absolute influence over their children. Fans, not so much. In fact, as a customer, fans likely have one of the most over-rated degrees of self-perceived influence of any consumer. No one is more influential in a child's life than a parent. So, I could harp on how in that respect, your analogy makes no sense. Or, I could look at what you're trying to say, see where there are comparisons, and not worry about whether or not you are trying to make some deeply philosophical argument. ;)

I was talking more to the reactions people post on this forum, and why they are so polar opposite. It's either positive or extremely critical. Believers or non. Parents or dead beats.

In any respect, I think an analogy that led to the take away, "people that constantly complain about the Blazers and why they aren't good (on the "Official" Blazer forum no less) are attention seeking asshole, or perhaps just miserable people, but in either case should be ignored and encouraged to play in traffic", was the direction I was going, but I was trying to be nice.
 
What does that say about a person, who sees people as anything but infallible, and feels the need to be point out their faults at every opportunity?

Career choice matches: Traffic Cop, House sitter of a van down by the river, ranting conspiracy theory bum on a street corner/coin collector, juvenile hall sanitation specialist, unemployed, teenage dirt bag


Anyway, are Portland championship hopes over yet? Did the media decide after that 1 game last night yet?
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Of course it's non-nonsensical if you are going to get that literal. I didn't mention God's infallibility as part of any parallel, any more than you mentioned the "absolute influence" a parent has on a child. That wasn't the parallel I was making, so that explains a bit.

Parents have absolute influence over their children. Fans, not so much. In fact, as a customer, fans likely have one of the most over-rated degrees of self-perceived influence of any consumer. No one is more influential in a child's life than a parent. So, I could harp on how in that respect, your analogy makes no sense. Or, I could look at what you're trying to say, see where there are comparisons, and not worry about whether or not you are trying to make some deeply philosophical argument. ;)

I was talking more to the reactions people post on this forum, and why they are so polar opposite. It's either positive or extremely critical. Believers or non. Parents or dead beats.

In any respect, I think an analogy that led to the take away, "people that constantly complain about the Blazers and why they aren't good (on the "Official" Blazer forum no less) are attention seeking asshole, or perhaps just miserable people, but in either case should be ignored and encouraged to play in traffic", was the direction I was going, but I was trying to be nice.
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Wouldn't being a christian also have God, being your influence?

Guess I'm missing your concept or analogy.

And as for a parent, I've seen children never listen to their mom.
 
magnifier661 said:
Wouldn't being a christian also have God, being your influence?

Guess I'm missing your concept or analogy.
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And any analogy requiring that much explanation is probably a bad one, especially if it STILL makes no sense... ;)
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Of course it's non-nonsensical if you are going to get that literal. I didn't mention God's infallibility as part of any parallel, any more than you mentioned the "absolute influence" a parent has on a child. That wasn't the parallel I was making, so that explains a bit.

Parents have absolute influence over their children. Fans, not so much. In fact, as a customer, fans likely have one of the most over-rated degrees of self-perceived influence of any consumer. No one is more influential in a child's life than a parent. So, I could harp on how in that respect, your analogy makes no sense. Or, I could look at what you're trying to say, see where there are comparisons, and not worry about whether or not you are trying to make some deeply philosophical argument. ;)

I was talking more to the reactions people post on this forum, and why they are so polar opposite. It's either positive or extremely critical. Believers or non. Parents or dead beats.

In any respect, I think an analogy that led to the take away, "people that constantly complain about the Blazers and why they aren't good (on the "Official" Blazer forum no less) are attention seeking asshole, or perhaps just miserable people, but in either case should be ignored and encouraged to play in traffic", was the direction I was going, but I was trying to be nice.
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Ummm No I think you may be missing the distinction between two types of fans. The first type probably you and most Identify with are the Fans like yourself, Mags and most here. Your team, your favorite players and your desire to see your favorite guys do well with astonishing performances as often as possible, clutch magic to close the game is the best it gets. Homer's all the way like Mags.

Then there are the students of the game that like to see good basketball but preferable by the Blazers. Alway wanting to see more progress toward perfection of the unstoppable system. Just because they are never fully
pleased doesn't make them asshole or attention whores. They can communicate with each other but not with the other type because where they never quite see perfection and speak of it, the first type never quite see the
flaws and doesn't want too see them, nor anyone else see them, or for god sake, speak of them.

Of course there are attention whores, that are a pain in the ass to both groups of fans.
The one's that never see value in Lamarcus Aldridge come to the top of my list. or the ones that never see a flaw like the piss poor coach that was Nate McMillan.
 
TripTango said:
And any analogy requiring that much explanation is probably a bad one, especially if it STILL makes no sense... ;)
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Yes, good point. You could make an analogy of any two totally random things on the planet and explain how they are related over 5 paragraphs.
 
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