OT Ice Cube's Contract With Black America

[ABM]

I keep tabs open to Google News and Drudge. So I get a very fair and balanced news feed from all sides of the political spectrum and not once, not once have I seen an article from that piece of shit news organization. If these are the different voices you were talking about then yes, we most certainly do listen to different ones, comrade!

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Sly, my intention wan't to find stuff from Sputnik. It simply came up on top of Google from a news search. I was wondering if there was less approval of BLM these days.

BTW, while Tim Korso writes for Sputnik, he also writes for others, as well..

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ordinary_inspector_or_nasty_foe_999.html

 

[Orion Bailey]

Again, Sly....you've shown me stuff related on web pages. Nothing more. Does that make it reality...that there's actually traction in the streets (other than the protest)? Show me that.

ABM. WhT would be a satisfactory timeline for you? It seems like you are advocating that since its on their website and they have pushed for new laws, just because they havent been successfully implemented, its pointless?


Things take time.
Nothing on paper comes to fruition until it is followed by the masses.

Its called a movement. Not an instant. Instant change will bot happen. However it will happen quicker when its is more widely accepted as the best thing moving forward.
But as long as they have counter protestors such as yourself. It stifles the movement and furthers the separation of the sides.

exert some patience and understanding aNd give them time to figure it all out.
I for one Dont want a hasty movement. Hastiness usually leads to having to back track Nd fix things done wrong out of haste.

And before you say BLM has been around a long time, they have only recent gained national attention from the masses. So its still very mew overall.

lastly, if you see nothing from BLM what would you have them do instead Of what they are doing?

its like politics. Dems and reps have proven to not have all the right answers and neither will BLM. But the movement is just and the foundation of their wants is needed for America to come out of this on top. So with that i say to BLM. Take your time. Get the details right and find a good long term solution agreeable by all for each topical issue at hand.
But you have to give them time for this all to happen. They don't have the inside political strength to fast track. Nor should they fast track anything.
If we dont do this right we will have to do it again 50-100 years from now.
I say take all the time needed to get this right.
And i dont agree with everything BLM has done/stands for.
You andci share many conservative political views but this is something we really need to just sot back and let happen. Not criticize. The fight for equality is just, even if the fight doesnt always make sense in all aspects.
In most fights, they dont make sense in all aspects, but get behind what is foundationally right.
Equality and economic justice for all.

It wont be easy and i wouldn't expect it to be.

 

[ABM]

ABM. WhT would be a satisfactory timeline for you?.

So, you noticed my ideas? Me thinks they could be implemented.....now.

I mean, why not?

 

[Orion Bailey]

So, you noticed my ideas? Me thinks they could be implemented.....now.

I mean, why not?

so when you say now. What does that timeline of implementation mean? Do you think that once a law is made its instant change for society? And all know, abide and change instantly?

do tou see the counter protests to BLM that are actively trying to thwart their progress?

Im sorry i may not have read your ideas if you posted them. But from what i think i read, yours are not much different than the BLM goals, which will take time.

Legislation takes time. Or we wont get it right.
Change in peoples hearts and minds take time. We arent robots able to have an instant recalibration.

 

[ABM]

Im sorry i may not have read your ideas if you posted them.

My ideas were about two or three posts up from here. I posted them earlier this morning.

 

[Orion Bailey]

My ideas were about two or three posts up from here. I posted them earlier this morning.

ha! Me thinks i was writing my post while you were posting yours. Lol. Ill read and get back to ya.

 

[Lanny]

this great on multiple levels! And he is spot on on pretty much everything he said.

ive been saying that instant change on multiple levels would bring chaos and that in order to continue to progress, change needs to come in increments.
He just explained it in a way that i now see why a few thingd need to happen at once.
Like prison reform at the same time as “defunding” the police.
And he is right about voting.
If people would understand how powerful their vote actually is when they unify, change CAN happen within the current process.
And local involvement of communities, both by residents and officers is essential. And he is right that cops should police their own communities.
Ive always liked ice cube. I spin lethal injection on a regular basis. But i never knew he was as rational as this.

Im going to read the contract after i eat some breakfast.

Good find!

"ive been saying that instant change on multiple levels would bring chaos and that in order to continue to progress, change needs to come in increments."
I've wondered about this many times. JFK espoused this when referring to Civil Rights but LBJ took the rapid approach which I think worked better. So, which approach works better most of the time? I've always leaned toward the small increments paradigm but I've seen success with the rapid approach so I'm still not sure.

 

[Orion Bailey]

"ive been saying that instant change on multiple levels would bring chaos and that in order to continue to progress, change needs to come in increments."
I've wondered about this many times. JFK espoused this when referring to Civil Rights but LBJ took the rapid approach which I think worked better. So, which approach works better most of the time? I've always leaned toward the small increments paradigm but I've seen success with the rapid approach so I'm still not sure.

its somewhat uncharted territory so i understand reasoning on both sides.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sly, my intention wan't to find stuff from Sputnik. It simply came up on top of Google from a news search. I was wondering if there was less approval of BLM these days.

BTW, while Tim Korso writes for Sputnik, he also writes for others, as well..

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ordinary_inspector_or_nasty_foe_999.html

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When looking for news articles I use Google News instead of Google.



But I use the search feature insides of Google News.



You can also add specific areas of interest that Google will show you news. I have specific areas of interest set for the Blazers and Archeology (yes, I know I'm weird.)

A google search on the Blazers is very different then a Google News search on them.

Google News doesn't use the USA or International news feeds of Sputnik.



I understand Apple News works pretty much the same way but I'm an Android person.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I personally don't really trust google much... I mean I use it because who doesn't, but they know what you want to see... I use a few different news aggregation sites, but it's basically impossible to find good sources for news these days.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I personally don't really trust google much... I mean I use it because who doesn't, but they know what you want to see... I use a few different news aggregation sites, but it's basically impossible to find good sources for news these days.

I think Google News is fine. It gives a nice place to start and it's good for breaking news.

I also use Drudge because I've used Drudge since before Google news.

I post the majority of articles in here from the Daily Mail because no one has bitched about it being a liberal or conservative slanted news site, lol. Also their style of sensationalistic headlines with summary in bullet points works great for the short attention span of the forum.

For international news Al Jazeera is fascinating. Getting a perspective on the USA from that area of the world can be very interesting.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think Google News is fine. It gives a nice place to start and it's good for breaking news.

I also use Drudge because I've used Drudge since before Google news.

I post the majority of articles in here from the Daily Mail because no one has bitched about it being a liberal or conservative slanted news site, lol. Also their style of sensationalistic headlines with summary in bullet points works great for the short attention span of the forum.

For international news Al Jazeera is fascinating. Getting a perspective on the USA from that area of the world can be very interesting.

I'm not being critical of you here just so that's clear. Google though has done it's fair share of 'censoring' stuff they don't like. Their algorithm also does a lot of trying to guess what you want to see which leads to some things get buried. I think it's an ok place to start but it can definitely be slanted (just like any other place). Drudge, I've seen here and there. For all the information we have in this age, it is increasingly difficult to get trustworthy information.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I will say, I have no idea about this sputnik news website, but while looking at the source is important, I think it's also a form of ad hominem, the sources questionability does not mean the information given is inaccurate.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm not being critical of you here just so that's clear. Google though has done it's fair share of 'censoring' stuff they don't like. Their algorithm also does a lot of trying to guess what you want to see which leads to some things get buried. I think it's an ok place to start but it can definitely be slanted (just like any other place). Drudge, I've seen here and there. For all the information we have in this age, it is increasingly difficult to get trustworthy information.

It's better then just using regular Google searches for news.

Also, and same qualifier for you, I'm not being critical of you, I've seen accusations of censoring or bias being leveled because the news results don't meet the expectations or beliefs of the person doing the searching. I think if you were to take articles from the major news providers, talking Fox News, NY Times, WaPo, USA Today, WSJ, Houston Chronicle (great paper BTW) and strip off the identifying source people would have a very difficult time identifying who published the story. I do think there are news providers like OANN, Daily Kos, Washington Times where that is not the case. I don't see a problem with those being listed secondary in the Google News feed. Also I don't have a problem with Google News sensoring state run media such as the Sputnik.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I will say, I have no idea about this sputnik news website, but while looking at the source is important, I think it's also a form of ad hominem, the sources questionability does not mean the information given is inaccurate.

That's where we're going to disagree. I have no use for Russian state sponsored "news" just like I have no use for the Stormfront "news" articles that have been posted on this forum in the past.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That's where we're going to disagree. I have no use for Russian state sponsored "news" just like I have no use for the Stormfront "news" articles that have been posted on this forum in the past.

Yeah, US statesponsored, or China Statesponsored so much better.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yeah, US statesponsored, or China Statesponsored so much better.

I never said that.

Yes, I would include Chinese state sponsored news sites, and North Korean, and Iranian, and Voice of America.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It's better then just using regular Google searches for news.

Also, and same qualifier for you, I'm not being critical of you, I've seen accusations of censoring or bias being leveled because the news results don't meet the expectations or beliefs of the person doing the searching. I think if you were to take articles from the major news providers, talking Fox News, NY Times, WaPo, USA Today, WSJ, Houston Chronicle (great paper BTW) and strip off the identifying source people would have a very difficult time identifying who published the story. I do think there are news providers like OANN, Daily Kos, Washington Times where that is not the case. I don't see a problem with those being listed secondary in the Google News feed. Also I don't have a problem with Google News sensoring state run media such as the Sputnik.

Google can do whatever they want to do, that doesn't mean I need to like it.
That said almost all news sources find their way back to being sponsored by billionaires, political parties, or various 'state' entities. They choose what to print based on an agenda more often than not. Which all that really means is that it's easy enough for someone to dismiss almost any of it based on their feelings of the source. Our feelings on the sources does not mean the content is true or not though.

Edit:
That's what Ad Hominem is, and like I said it's fine to, to some degree attack a source as being inept, one-sided, bias, untrustworthy, but it is also a fallacy for a reason. Doesn't matter if you think a source isn't worth you or I's time, it doesn't prove or disprove the content.

 

[ABM]

When looking for news articles I use Google News instead of Google.

Actually, I did. My pic this morning didn't reflect that.

Hey, what did you think of my BLM ideas??

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Actually, I did. My pic this morning didn't reflect that.

No, your pic this morning showed you used regular Google instead of Google News.

The blue bar shows where the result is from. I highlighted the Google News tab that wasn't used.

 

[ABM]

No, your pic this morning showed you used regular Google instead of Google News.

The blue bar shows where the result is from. I highlighted the Google News tab that wasn't used.

What I meant was, when I searched last night, I was in the "News" function, and the same sputnik website showed up (when using the News search, I usually use the Tiils function, as well, and search by date.) When I recreated it this morning as to demonstrate to you, I was actually in the "All" section as you pointed out. The point is, sputnik showed up in both relative searches.

Anyway, thoughts on my BLM ideas?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey, what did you think of my BLM ideas??

I think telling black people what they should do will lead to dismissing what they are doing if they don't follow it.

I think it's better to listen to what they are saying and then engage them in conversation about that.

As I have said multiple times, all I feel personally comfortable with is reading their sites and then judging what they are proposing based on that. I don't think that judging them based on the interpretations is fair.

And again, like I said multiple times. I do not agree with everything proposed in the BLM's websites. But I think that is the best place to start a debate and discussion on if what they're proposing is something that I support.

If we wanted to have a discussion about Jesus, is it fair to base the discussion on what the Church of Satan thinks about him or a extreme Christian sect or what the bible says about him?

I would start with the bible first. Then introduce conflicting or disagreeing opinions. I wouldn't start with the disagreeing or negative sources first. That wouldn't be fair no matter what my personal feelings about Jesus were.

 

[ABM]

I think telling black people what they should do will lead to dismissing what they are doing if they don't follow it.

Personally, I thought they were plausible, productive, and positive ideas. Not a white man telling a black man what to do. That said, I think there are plenty of solutions-based black leaders who would entertain ideas from ALL sides, so long as it's genuine, constructive and steering towards a redemptive outcome.

But, hey, thanks for your thoughts.

 

[julius]

It's probably not good idea to tell someone else how they should be dealing with situations, especially if you are refusing to listen to what they're saying/doing BECAUSE you think they should be doing it a different way.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's probably not good idea to tell someone else how they should be dealing with situations, especially if you are refusing to listen to what they're saying/doing BECAUSE you think they should be doing it a different way.

i have to play devils advocate here, aNd again im not condoning shooting seven times, but isnt everyone telling cops how they should handle themselves in a life and death situation by most people who have never been in a life and death situation?
And those peolple seem to be dismissing the cops were called out there, the victim resisted arrest, and tried to draw a deadly weapon?

How is that different than what you just said?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Personally, I thought they were plausible, productive, and positive ideas. Not a white man telling a black man what to do. That said, I think there are plenty of solutions-based black leaders who would entertain ideas from ALL sides, so long as it's genuine, constructive and steering towards a redemptive outcome.

But, hey, thanks for your thoughts.

I'm not saying your ideas don't have merit or value. I am saying that unless you find a way to share them and have them enacted it we will not able to have a productive discussion and/or debate about them.

I see this type of thought all the time on the Blazer side of things. "Here are my ideas on what the Blazers should do." "OMG, Stotts won't do what I said they should do, Stotts sucks!"

But I also see people complain about Stotts based on stats and ingame strategy and play calling. I think that is fair.

It's important to judge people on what they have done.

 

[ABM]

It's probably not good idea to tell someone else how they should be dealing with situations, especially if you are refusing to listen to what they're saying/doing BECAUSE you think they should be doing it a different way.

You may "think" I'm not listening. But, how would be able to ascertain that from a message board just because I may not be responding in earnest to some of Sly's pleas? Meanwhile, the violence continues. I was tossing around in bed this morning and these ideas popped into my head. I was thinking, "what could be done to try and take us beyond what we're dealing with today?" Sure, it was from a perspective of what if I were the head of BLM. But, really, that doesn't matter. It was a form of writing. I would NEVER be the person to do this....and EVERYONE knows it. Or, should know it. I plan to share these thoughts and ideas with others as I believe they have true merit, not to simply be discarded because I'm some privileged, ignorant white boy:

If I Ran Black Lives Matter


I would:


1) Place booths in conspicuous places in each of our major cities, and especially in each of the hot spot cites


2) Staff each of the booths with trained volunteers who would enthusiastically and empathetically engage with the people - taking responses, complaints, offered solutions, and the like. The staff would capture each of the responses then send those back up through the BLM internal channels. Perhaps, fundraising efforts, as well


3) Give out printed matter in the booths that relate the BLM history, mission, and any other pertinent information related to current situations at hand. These printed pieces should be presented as a solutions-based packet....not gripes and complaints


4) Set-up a Hot Line whereas people can call in or send voicemails and share what's on their collective minds. Capture all information and send back up through the channels


5) Invite myself and selected staff to the news outlets as to: share our ongoing mission; report comments/concerns/questions from the booths/hotline; while also sharing our concerns and responses as an organization


6) Continue to make presence on the talk shows, etc. as to provide an ongoing "face" to our organization while providing continued feedback as to how we are continuing to respond to the issues at hand


7) If possible, speak on the house floor and garner support from any and all interested parties. Work to lock arms with any one or more of them towards getting bills sponsored and the like

 

[ABM]

I'm not saying your ideas don't have merit or value. I am saying that unless you find a way to share them and have.

I'll post up a youtube once I've completed the Facebook interview with Karen Robinson (Sanford Robinson's wife. @THE HCP knows Sanford very well.) We'll be having some significant and poignant discussions surrounding race, reconciliation, and redemption. Karen will be interviewing my wife and myself. Much looking forward to this.

 

[julius]

So to prove to me you ARE listening, you then prove it by doing exactly what I said shows you don't listen.

You may "think" I'm not listening. But, how would be able to ascertain that from a message board just because I may not be responding in earnest to some of Sly's pleas? Meanwhile, the violence continues. I was tossing around in bed this morning and these ideas popped into my head. I was thinking, "what could be done to try and take us beyond what we're dealing with today?" Sure, it was from a perspective of what if I were the head of BLM. But, really, that doesn't matter. It was a form of writing. I would NEVER be the person to do this....and EVERYONE knows it. Or, should know it. I plan to share these thoughts and ideas with others as I believe they have true merit, not to simply be discarded because I'm some privileged, ignorant white boy:

If I Ran Black Lives Matter


I would:


1) Place booths in conspicuous places in each of our major cities, and especially in each of the hot spot cites


2) Staff each of the booths with trained volunteers who would enthusiastically and empathetically engage with the people - taking responses, complaints, offered solutions, and the like. The staff would capture each of the responses then send those back up through the BLM internal channels. Perhaps, fundraising efforts, as well


3) Give out printed matter in the booths that relate the BLM history, mission, and any other pertinent information related to current situations at hand. These printed pieces should be presented as a solutions-based packet....not gripes and complaints


4) Set-up a Hot Line whereas people can call in or send voicemails and share what's on their collective minds. Capture all information and send back up through the channels


5) Invite myself and selected staff to the news outlets as to: share our ongoing mission; report comments/concerns/questions from the booths/hotline; while also sharing our concerns and responses as an organization


6) Continue to make presence on the talk shows, etc. as to provide an ongoing "face" to our organization while providing continued feedback as to how we are continuing to respond to the issues at hand


7) If possible, speak on the house floor and garner support from any and all interested parties. Work to lock arms with any one or more of them towards getting bills sponsored and the like

 

[Orion Bailey]

Wow... lol.