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Of course, the obvious criticism is that it's a much smaller sample size with Matisse. But in practically every measure he is equal or superior to Camara (including rebounds, but excluding FT%). And yet we're talking about a massive extension for Camara but add Matisse to every trade proposal just to make up salary.

If Matisse could keep up that 3 point shooting, his value would skyrocket.
The problem is your looking at a 15 game sample instead of Thybulle 347 games. Camara was very good as a rookie too and started 49 games, he's been great from his first day and continues to improve.

Thybulle hasn't really improved in a meaningful way since his 3rd year and will be 29 during this 7th season. I'm happy to have him as a 10th man or 3rd string. But theres many very good reasons Camara is slotting in as a starter and Thybulle is not in that discussion.
 
Of course, the obvious criticism is that it's a much smaller sample size with Matisse. But in practically every measure he is equal or superior to Camara (including rebounds, but excluding FT%). And yet we're talking about a massive extension for Camara but add Matisse to every trade proposal just to make up salary.

If Matisse could keep up that 3 point shooting, his value would skyrocket.
Camara has played 148 games for us. Thybulle has played 102. I don't know all that went down in Philly. But we've definitely seen growth in Thybulle since he's been here. And while yes, a small sample size, especially being a little older, it is ok to see, expect, and accept growth in players when they move from a different situation. Especially in regards to shooting, he took 507 3s in his 245 games in Philly. He's taken 364 here. So while a small sample, it's close to what he did there. Freedom to shoot? Opportunity? Positive coaching? Growth and dumb luck?
 
we can't expect 44% shooting on three's from Thybulle.

but we can expect that a Camara/Thybulle rotation (and yeah, I know they won't always replace each other on the floor) will leave Portland with at least one lock-down defender on the floor for 48 minutes; and sometimes with 2. That's something special, especially considering they both have developed solid 3&D skills

I'm wondering if the Blazers are planning to re-sign Thybulle next summer. The 2026-27 cap-space option seems DOA after signing Dame. And a healthy Thybulle is a decently valuable rotation player. Re-signing him will probably take some tax line acrobatics, but it might be worth the effort
If its a one year extension I'm fine with doing it - but more than that I think the Blazers need to wait on Thybulle. We need to see how all our rotation players play, Sharpe contract, any trades that happen, etc. Basically all the starters and top backups need more clarity first. Might end up where we trade Scoot for a wing and have zero use for Thybulle or have to pay some max contract to Sharpe. Better to figure out those moves first.

The risk of Thybulle walking next summer just isn't a major cost to the Blazers either. If you view him as a great 6th man I guess that calculus changes.
 
Toumani and Tisse
 
Once you have successfully identified them, feel free to comment on a side-by-side comparison of their stats. Seems like one of them is much more valued by the fanbase than the other.
Except you left out the most important stat from the comparison.
 
I don't think it's all that unreasonable to suggest that Thybulle is at least comparably impactful defensively to Camara if given similar roles and minutes. But Camara played 50% more minutes last season than Thybulle ever has. Tisse can't really be trusted to remain healthy over the course of a season. But if they both could be healthy, I'd love having each in our rotation
 
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