If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

[UKRAINEFAN]

Here's the framework. Maybe more to come from CHA. This makes us a lot more balanced.

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Dame
Powell
Hayward
Roco
Turner

If the Pacers are giving up Turner and Warren for CJ, I would rather just take that deal and keep Nurkic. Warren is 4 years younger than Heyward and his efg% better in his last two full years played. Not as good a playmaker of course.

 

[blazerkor]

If the Pacers are giving up Turner and Warren for CJ, I would rather just take that deal and keep Nurkic. Warren is 4 years younger than Heyward and his efg% better in his last two full years played. Not as good a playmaker of course.

I would take that deal and at the very least shop Nurk. See if we could get a more versatile sixth man for him.

Dame, Norm, Warren, RoCo and Turner with Nurk as by far our best bench player just doesn't seem to be a maximization of talent. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world but it would be the worst thing for Nurk's game... maybe he would beat out Turner but then we still have the same problem. Is it effective in today's NBA to have two of your four best players being true centers?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I do believe CJ is gone as long and this is what scares me is NeO does not get into he is a player WE drafted so WE value him 2x is value similar to what is happening in Philly with Ben Simmons only thing that makes me think NeO will trade him is the Dame walking being held over his head.

 

[TBpup]

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Not trading CJ to get into the TOP part of this Draft? Then Neil is a moron. Of course nothing is a guarantee, but this Draft could have several legit superstars down the road. Just want Dame needs. They may not be superstars in the ffirst season, but they will definately contribute and certainly could be better than CJ very soon.

Defense matters. Congrats Bucks!

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I will play Devil's advocate for a minute not to defend NeO but since we have no idea what team and pick is involved then it's possible it would be a mistake plus NeO would be drafting and outside of Dame and CJ who has he gotten in the 1st round that was good ...... YA --- stop trying to think about it the answer is no one cause Myers flopped and is out of the league and Collins is a walking injury and Celeb Swanigan is a happy meal ( or 10 ) from maybe being a sumo wrestler ok maybe not that bad but damn i think he has ballooned in weight so ya he was a bust.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Guys, it's obvious. If CJ can get the #3 pick then we can surely move the pick for a star level player next to Dame. Every year teams are looking to move their marquee player for a pick to save money and rebuild.

 

[Natebishop3]

CJ to Cleveland.

#3 to Toronto.

Siakam to Portland.

Make it happen.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I wouldn’t take Siakam over Suggs/Mobley

Siakam is a 3rd wheel/option - something Raptor fans constantly bitch about.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wouldn’t take Siakam over Suggs/Mobley

Siakam is a 3rd wheel/option - something Raptor fans constantly bitch about.

Yeah let’s add another 6’4 guard. That’s BRILLIANT! Actually that sounds exactly like what Neil would do.

 

[Scalma]

If only I got a dollar for every time I heard some iteration of “this rookie would be better than this established player from day one”

The number of rookies that step into a playoff team and significantly contribute isn’t near the ones that don’t. We need proven vets and we need them now. We’ve got one maybe two years to contend with Dame. No time for maybes.

 

[Natebishop3]

Its Neil’s fault Zach got injured?

btw Zach is the prototype of the modern big and made our team better when he was healthy. Injuries suck, but to blame the GM for them is comical, especially when he wasn’t a guy that had an injury history coming into the league. Oh and the two guys he traded for him haven’t shown to be NBA caliber players.

And he’s not gone yet either. As Hollinger mentioned, signing a one year deal and retaining full bird rights is probably his best option. Either way, he’s still only 23. Premature to conclude what he is or isnt.

If only I got a dollar for every time I heard some iteration of “this rookie would be better than this established player from day one”

The number of rookies that step into a playoff team and significantly contribute isn’t near the ones that don’t. We need proven vets and we need them now. We’ve got one maybe two years to contend with Dame. No time for maybes.

 

[Scalma]

1. What’s your point?
2. Portland was a .500 team the year before they drafted Zach.

 

[Natebishop3]

1. What’s your point?
2. Portland was a .500 team the year before they drafted Zach.

The same point that I made that summer. We needed a veteran player, not a project rookie.

 

[blazerkor]

If only I got a dollar for every time I heard some iteration of “this rookie would be better than this established player from day one”

The number of rookies that step into a playoff team and significantly contribute isn’t near the ones that don’t. We need proven vets and we need them now. We’ve got one maybe two years to contend with Dame. No time for maybes.

I was with you until you said Dame's window is two years. Steph is two years older than Dame and besides being frail like he's always been he's just as productive as ever and doesn't look to be slowing down. Dame has four or five more years on top before he starts a slow decline. I think that like his fellow Oakland natives Kidd and Payton that Dame will play effectively past 40.

That doesn't take away from the fact that rightly so, Dame is in win now mode because regardless of if you're right on how long he'll be in his prime or not, there is urgency there. So picking up a 19 year old doesn't exactly make sense, especially because we know the draft is a gamble. So we have to trade CJ and whatever picks necessary, even if it takes multiple teams, for a forward who is a proven contributor at an all star level.

 

[Scalma]

The same point that I made that summer. We needed a veteran player, not a project rookie.

we weren’t a contender back then.

 

[tester551]

we weren’t a contender back then.

And we're still not a contender....
What's your point?

 

[Natebishop3]

we weren’t a contender back then.

We aren't a contender now.

 

[Scalma]

And we're still not a contender....
What's your point?

Oh you know what the roster is already? Please share. We’re a lot closer than we were back then.

 

[tykendo]

One thing this tells me, is that, CJ is regarded a lot higher by other NBA GM's, then many here in S2.

 

[wizenheimer]

Oh you know what the roster is already? Please share. We’re a lot closer than we were back then.

Portland was a 5th seed in 2015-16
8th seed in 2016-17 (and got swept by the warriors)
3rd seed in 2017-18 (and got swept by the Pels)
3rd seed in 2018-19 (WCF)
8th seed in 2019-20
6th seed in 2020-21

I'm seeing fairly normal variance for a decent team with a top-10 player and no shot at a championship. 1st round exits in 4 of the last 5 seasons while posting a 3-16 record in those 4 series. And if you squint your eyes and wish really hard, the closest the team came to contention will be 3 seasons ago...and that team got swept out of the WCF

Portland is not closer now unless you imagine Olshey pulling about 3 giant rabbits out of his hat this off-season

 

[wizenheimer]

One thing this tells me, is that, CJ is regarded a lot higher by other NBA GM's, then many here in S2.

what tells you that....Jason Quick's conjecture?

 

[tykendo]

what tells you that....Jason Quick's conjecture?

Are you saying GM's aren't offering high 1st round picks for CJ?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Are you saying GM's aren't offering high 1st round picks for CJ?

I think he's saying that whether they are or not, we have no legitimate reason to believe that they are.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Portland was a 5th seed in 2015-16
8th seed in 2016-17 (and got swept by the warriors)
3rd seed in 2017-18 (and got swept by the Pels)
3rd seed in 2018-19 (WCF)
8th seed in 2019-20
6th seed in 2020-21

I'm seeing fairly normal variance for a decent team with a top-10 player and no shot at a championship. 1st round exits in 4 of the last 5 seasons while posting a 3-16 record in those 4 series. And if you squint your eyes and wish really hard, the closest the team came to contention will be 3 seasons ago...and that team got swept out of the WCF

Portland is not closer now unless you imagine Olshey pulling about 3 giant rabbits out of his hat this off-season

That's crazy talk!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Seriously: I do not believe that the Cavs would offer us the #3 for CJ, even if we have to take Love.

BUT IF THEY DID, I think we HAVE to take it. If Evan Mobley is there, he could absolutely transform our defense. I think we're actually a better team RIGHT AWAY if we do that, and I'm something of a CJ fan (at least by this board's standards).

 

[tykendo]

Seriously: I do not believe that the Cavs would offer us the #3 for CJ, even if we have to take Love.

BUT IF THEY DID, I think we HAVE to take it. If Evan Mobley is there, he could absolutely transform our defense. I think we're actually a better team RIGHT AWAY if we do that, and I'm something of a CJ fan (at least by this board's standards).

Could potentially. He may be great, he may be a bust, or something in between. That's the Draft, & high picks in a nutshell. But if the Blazers do get Simmons, you know HE WILL transform the defense. He's a proven talent.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Could potentially. He may be great, he may be a bust, or something in between. That's the Draft, & high picks in a nutshell. But if the Blazers do get Simmons, you know HE WILL transform the defense. He's a proven talent.

Sure, but the Blazers aren't getting Simmons for CJ. They just aren't.

 

[tykendo]

Sure, but the Blazers aren't getting Simmons for CJ. They just aren't.

You have inside info? Sources.

 

[Natebishop3]

I just really don't think that the rumor about the top 4 pick is real. I think it's more smoke. I think Neil is trying to pump up CJ's value.