If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

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Zach Collins Enthusiast said:
CJ to the Warriors for the 14th and 7th?
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And what? We get Wiggins too, to make the money work? Sign me up.

Dame, Norm, Wiggins, RoCo, Nurk, #7, #14, Ant, Nas and DJ... that's a stacked team... definitely enough for Dame to feel like we're urgent about contending.

I don't think the Warriors would offer that because Wiggins is close to as good as CJ so to give us two lotto picks with him... not realistic but they couldn't make the cap work for just the picks.
 
blazerkor said:
And what? We get Wiggins too, to make the money work? Sign me up.

Dame, Norm, Wiggins, RoCo, Nurk, #7, #14, Ant, Nas and DJ... that's a stacked team... definitely enough for Dame to feel like we're urgent about contending.

I don't think the Warriors would offer that because Wiggins is close to as good as CJ so to give us two lotto picks with him... not realistic but they couldn't make the cap work for just the picks.
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The idea that the #7th and #14th will be rotational pieces on a contending team in a draft known to have a steep fall off after the 4th pick seems optimistic.

getting one of those picks right would be a homerun
 
JoshuaHall said:
The idea that the #7th and #14th will be rotational pieces on a contending team in a draft known to have a steep fall off after the 4th pick seems optimistic.

getting one of those picks right would be a homerun
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This draft is deep... like really deep. 1-4 are supposed to be immediate starters and eventual superstars but the entire lottery are supposed to be solid. If the draft went right we could get Giddey and Kai Jones both of which have skills that would contribute to any team from the time they arrived. Again though this is all nonsense because CJ is worth nowhere close to Wiggins (who besides Dray is the only salary match possible for CJ), a mid lottery and a late lottery pick.
 
lawai'a said:
Wiggins has turned himself into a + defender as well as signed for 1 less season than CJ@$30million. he fills a position of need and improved his efficiency in GS shooting 38% on 3's.
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Then they'll be happy to keep him. And good luck to 'em.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I know you take RPM as gospel, but do you honestly believe CJ was the league's 4th-best 2 guard last year? Or more effective/impactful than Kawhi, Middleton, Butler, Tatum, et al?
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No, just a lot more effective/impactful than Andrew fucking Wiggins.
 
If Wiggins is such a solid player, then explain to me how Golden State couldn't even make the playoffs? Is Klay Thompson really a league MVP candidate?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I know you take RPM as gospel, but do you honestly believe CJ was the league's 4th-best 2 guard last year? Or more effective/impactful than Kawhi, Middleton, Butler, Tatum, et al?
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I mean, duh….. why else would a team offer a top four pick for him?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Good point. That is a lot of money in one position. I wonder if Morey is trying to unload the Harris Contract on Portland for CJ and Jones
That is one horrible contract.
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The trade I actually want is for Sixers to give up trading Simmons (at least for now) but move him to 4 and add a shooter. I want Harris/Thybulle for Jones/CJ/next year's first rounder. I don't think the sixers would go for it but we'd be nice and balanced.

Lillard/Simons
Powell/Thybulle
Covington/Thybulle
Harris/Little
Nurkic/MLE (Nerlens)
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I dunno. CJ and Wiggins are probably pretty close to equal talent/impact-wise, and if Duarte is as NBA-ready as everyone says, I think that deal could make a lot of sense for the Blazers, especially as the idea of dealing for Simmons and/or Siakam becomes increasingly unlikely.

Certainly not the home-run move we're all really hoping for, and we'd still need to sign a quality big in free agency (Olynyk?), but that could be a contending lineup if the pieces fit well, the new staff implemented an effective defensive scheme/emphasis, and the bench youngsters continue their progression.

Dame/Ant
Norm/Duarte
Wiggins/Little
RoCo/[Olynyk]
Nurk/[Olynyk]
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Still like this (despite Rasta's protestations). Factor in keeping DJJ, sign a vet min PG (Teague?), re-sign Giles and Zach on min deals...I think that's pretty decent.

I see this as the floor of what we should see this summer.
 
TBpup said:
If Beal is available, it pushes CJ down the rankings in terms of best SG available. Philly or Toronto (and everyone else) would much rather have Beal.
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Agree Beal is obviously better, I hate saying this but we need to made need to sweeten the pot maybe Simons or little included in deal. You have to swing for fences and if it fails you trade Dame at trade deadline (pains me to say that big Dame fan)
 
To me Dragic would be ideal vet to put with second unit. Not sure how we’d get him but would love to add vet like him to team
 
TBpup said:
If Beal is available, it pushes CJ down the rankings in terms of best SG available. Philly or Toronto (and everyone else) would much rather have Beal.
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Beal is a better scorer, for sure, but I think CJ is actually a better point guard if he’s being asked to take that role. He seems to have a different mindset when Dame is out and he starts at the one. He put up 22, 7 and 5 in the game against Orlando when we first got Norm.
 
TBpup said:
If Beal is available, it pushes CJ down the rankings in terms of best SG available. Philly or Toronto (and everyone else) would much rather have Beal.
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You're obviously right but I think that if Toronto wants Beal for Siakam or Philly wants him for Simmons both of those teams would have to send assets out in that trade, whereas CJ brings the same things as Beal but we would have to send the assets to the Sixers or Raptors if we were to get one of those players back.

So there actually is some value for us in Beal being on the market because he makes CJ a more attainable alternative. Also I just don't think that Toronto would want CJ or Beal... mostly this is about the Sixers.
 
I’m really not in love with Beal at all. I was watching him during the Olympic exhibition and he looked like shit.
 
TBpup said:
If Beal is available, it pushes CJ down the rankings in terms of best SG available. Philly or Toronto (and everyone else) would much rather have Beal.
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IF.
Also, I think the distance between Beal and CJ might not be that great. I don't believe RPM's ratings (see below) that CJ is THAT MUCH better than Beal, but I do believe that Beal is (a) even worse of a defender than CJ, and (b) cannot play PG at all. Trading Simmons for Beal would fuck up Philly's offense totally, unless they acquire a decent PG. See the difference having a decent PG made to Phoenix, whose SG Beal resembles much more than he does CJ. However, I am willing to grant that Beal has a much better rep around the league than CJ (deserved or not) and is younger.

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(Sidenote: Chris Chiozza - WTF?)
 
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JoshuaHall said:
The idea that the #7th and #14th will be rotational pieces on a contending team in a draft known to have a steep fall off after the 4th pick seems optimistic.

getting one of those picks right would be a homerun
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Then trade them both for another player.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Then trade them both for another player.
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Again, I don't understand this trade. Are people saying that the offer is Andrew Wiggins, #7 and #14? That seems insane to me. Wiggins almost has enough value on his own to get them CJ, then they add two lottery picks in a deep draft?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
IF.
Also, I think the distance between Beal and CJ might not be that great. I don't believe RPM's ratings (see below) that CJ is THAT MUCH better than Beal, but I do believe that Beal is (a) even worse of a defender than CJ, and (b) cannot play PG at all. Trading Simmons for Beal would fuck up Philly's offense totally, unless they acquire a decent PG. See the difference having a decent PG made to Phoenix, whose SG Beal resembles much more than he does CJ. However, I am willing to grant that Beal has a much better rep around the league than CJ (deserved or not) and is younger.

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(Sidenote: Chris Chiozza - WTF?)
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Beal is overrated. Inflated stats on a bad team. The weird thing about Beal is that he was drafted as a sniper, and for a while he was averaging 40% from three over multiple seasons.... but his last two years (when he has become a 30 ppg scorer) his 3P% has dropped significantly. Right around 35% both seasons. Meanwhile CJ shot over 40% from three last season. I think Beal is trending in the wrong direction. He averaged 7 more 2 point FGA per game than CJ, and he averaged about 5 more FTA per game. I'm just really not convinced that Beal is necessarily a better fit. If anything, it's a wash, or at worse it's a bad fit because he's not shooting threes anymore.
 
blazerkor said:
Again, I don't understand this trade. Are people saying that the offer is Andrew Wiggins, #7 and #14? That seems insane to me. Wiggins almost has enough value on his own to get them CJ, then they add two lottery picks in a deep draft?
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I agree; GS would never give those two picks plus Wiseman for CJ. I doubt that they are even interested in CJ at all.
 
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