If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

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Scalma said:
CJ, a first round pick, and Simons for Ben Simmons. Then re-sign Norm
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Sign me up... that guy at the forward spot with RoCo and all of the ball movement we could get with him, Dame and Nurk. The only problem is that we would have two starters that can't hit the three but the three doesn't have to be everything.
 
blazerkor said:
Sign me up... that guy at the forward spot with RoCo and all of the ball movement we could get with him, Dame and Nurk. The only problem is that we would have two starters that can't hit the three but the three doesn't have to be everything.
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cj and Simmons actually have comparable metrics. Their VORP was nearly identical this season. It could just be a case of filling different needs for each team. Simmons helps the defense and gives us a true lead guard that can be a point forward and run the second unit. McCollum upgrades phillys offense, gives them a guy who can create his own shot, and spaces the court around Embiid.
 
The problem with Simmons is that his value is greatest with the ball in his hands facilitating but is that possible in a Dame Iso offense? May have to pass on a Simmons trade.
 
I’d trade CJ for Quickley/Robinson/1st right now, they can absorb the contract.
 
lamlor said:
The problem with Simmons is that his value is greatest with the ball in his hands facilitating but is that possible in a Dame Iso offense? May have to pass on a Simmons trade.
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we need to move on from an iso based offense. This is pretty clear and dame feels the same way
 
I'd consider Porzingis. Between him and Collins we'd have two lanky 7 footers who are injured a lot but combined should be able to cover the PF position. Roco plays small forward. We're pretty big at all positions except PG, assuming Norm and Nurk are back.
 
lamlor said:
The problem with Simmons is that his value is greatest with the ball in his hands facilitating but is that possible in a Dame Iso offense? May have to pass on a Simmons trade.
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Worked ok for Booker and CP. he’s only one pass away from having the ball back in his hands at anytime. Simmons defense and being able to create easy shots for other players would be a nice fit
 
All of the suggested trade reveal: there are no sensible trades out there for CJ.
 
Before Morey arrived, Philly made sense. But then they went from super-big to small with good shooters already. (And it turns out that Josh Richardson was only good with the Heat.)
MAYBE the Knicks?
Maybe a truly sucky team that just wants a scorer to appease their beleaguered fans? Houston, maybe? But do we want Eric Gordon in return?

Sure there are teams (like maybe the Lakers) who would be happy to offer us their dregs for him, but I'd rather not help the Lakers for dregs.
 
which lineup is better (assuming Powell is gone if CJ stays):

Dame
CJ
Jones
RoCo
Nurkic
(bench about the same as now)

or

Dame
CJ
RoCo
Zach
Nurkic
(bench about the same as now)

or

Dame
Powell
RoCo
Porzingas
Nurkic
(bench about the same with a 'healthy' Zach)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
All of the suggested trade reveal: there are no sensible trades out there for CJ.
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of course not, as long as CJ is being overrated as much as he's being in most of these deals. Thing is his on-court value is a lot closer to how he performed in the just completed series against the Nuggets, than how he performed in the first 12 games of the year. That CJ was a mirage. He's not as bad as he played against Denver, but he's not a lot better than that either.

then you have to factor in his latest contract extension. It's not nearly the negative value it was when first signed because many other players now have contracts paying more or paying comparably. His contract doesn't enhance his value. Probably it's a net negative

career:

PER: season 17.5....playoffs 15.4
TS%: season .553....playoffs .530
Assist%: season 17.5%....playoffs 13.7%
winshare/48: season .107....playoffs .050
BPM: season 1.2....playoffs 0.4

those are the numbers that are going to set his baseline value. Those are not all-star numbers; they aren't really close to all-star numbers. CJ is not going to be traded for somebody like Ben Simmons or Tobias Harris or Julius Randle or Khris Middleton or Pascal Siakam. He simply doesn't have anything close to that value at this point in his career. If you set the value gauge quite a bit lower than players like that, where it should be, there may be several sensible trade opportunities IMO

Olshey won't do that though because his gauge of CJ is ridiculous
 
wizenheimer said:
of course not, as long as CJ is being overrated as much as he's being in most of these deals. Thing is his on-court value is a lot closer to how he performed in the just completed series against the Nuggets, than how he performed in the first 12 games of the year. That CJ was a mirage. He's not as bad as he played against Denver, but he's not a lot better than that either.

then you have to factor in his latest contract extension. It's not nearly the negative value it was when first signed because many other players now have contracts paying more or paying comparably. His contract doesn't enhance his value. Probably it's a net negative

career:

PER: season 17.5....playoffs 15.4
TS%: season .553....playoffs .530
Assist%: season 17.5%....playoffs 13.7%
winshare/48: season .107....playoffs .050
BPM: season 1.2....playoffs 0.4

those are the numbers that are going to set his baseline value. Those are not all-star numbers; they aren't really close to all-star numbers. CJ is not going to be traded for somebody like Ben Simmons or Tobias Harris or Julius Randle or Khris Middleton or Pascal Siakam. He simply doesn't have anything close to that value at this point in his career. If you set the value gauge quite a bit lower than players like that, where it should be, there may be several sensible trade opportunities IMO

Olshey won't do that though because his gauge of CJ is ridiculous
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Siakam had a down year, at least the first half. I wonder how his #s compare.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Siakam had a down year, at least the first half. I wonder how his #s compare.
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looks to be about the same as CJ's, career-wise, a little worse this season. I'm not sure how much value GM's would put on a Covid-impacted season. Siakam had his best season as a #2-3 option when Kawhi was commanding all the defensive attention. Much better than CJ while Dame has been commanding all the defensive attention. Siakam's efficiency has dropped down to CJ's level when Siakam has been the #1 option. CJ hasn't been tested like that, and no a couple of games here or there when Dame has been out are not close to the same as a season as the #1

Siakam has a similar contract as CJ. IMO, generically, he would not alter Portland's trajectory much over CJ in a talent for talent basis. But I'd have to think a Dame-Powell-RoCo-Siakam-Nurkic lineup would be quite a bit better than another Dame/CJ reboot
 
Boston needs a center. I would love to get Jalen Brown. I think a Dame, NP, JB would be a nice 3 to have.
I would try a CJ and Nurk for JB and filler. Fournier works on the ESPN trade machine but I am not sure how since he will be a free agent.
That would leave a huge hole at the center spot though unless Zach could somehow stay healthy.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Boston needs a center. I would love to get Jalen Brown. I think a Dame, NP, JB would be a nice 3 to have.
I would try a CJ and Nurk for JB and filler. Fournier works on the ESPN trade machine but I am not sure how since he will be a free agent.
That would leave a huge hole at the center spot though unless Zach could somehow stay healthy.
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I really like that idea, especially if all it would take is CJ + Nurkic. The trade needs plenty of work though because both teams are flirting with busting over the apron. It might require the Blazers to broker a 3rd team to take on Kemba...which would probably mean some more assets leaving Portland

CJ + Nurkic for Brown + Tristan Thompson, maybe. Or something like CJ + a 1st for Brown + Thompson, then Nurkic for a Fournier S&T, as long as Fournier was signed for an MLE level deal...or less; or Fournier diverted to a 3rd team
 
While watching CJ stink up the joint this series, I often thought he was playing like a guy who knew he was about to be traded.
 
First, we all need to accept that Neil and Dame are too invested in CJ to trade him. Second, if he was traded I fear many fans would be shocked at how little we got in exchange.
 
wizenheimer said:
which lineup is better (assuming Powell is gone if CJ stays):

Dame
CJ
Jones
RoCo
Nurkic
(bench about the same as now)

or

Dame
CJ
RoCo
Zach
Nurkic
(bench about the same as now)

or

Dame
Powell
RoCo
Porzingas
Nurkic
(bench about the same with a 'healthy' Zach)
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Rhetorical question?
 
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