If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

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BBert said:
In that case, your list order is from worst to best.

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yeah. probably

the fit is best in that one that features Porzingas, who may very well be the highest level of a player the Blazers can get for CJ. The problem with it, IMO, is that Porzingas ia about the same level of talent as CJ so Portland is still paying to much money to a non-allstar. And, another problem is that if Portland can't really afford Dame and CJ with a re-signed Powell, they couldn't afford Dame and Porzingas
 
Buffalo Custard said:
First, we all need to accept that Neil and Dame are too invested in CJ to trade him. Second, if he was traded I fear many fans would be shocked at how little we got in exchange.
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Do we really have to accept it? Why because people who don't know either Dame or Neil post it on message boards?
I like CJ but if we can keep NP I have no problem trading CJ for another need.

You might be right though about what we get in return. Teams don't like to trade their good players unless they already have someone ready to step in. We need a trade partner who needs scoring help from their backcourt, and who has depth at the forward spot. The Lakers come to mind. I bet they would love to have CJ for say, Harrell, Kuzma, and Schroeder.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Worked ok for Booker and CP. he’s only one pass away from having the ball back in his hands at anytime. Simmons defense and being able to create easy shots for other players would be a nice fit
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Booker was willing to give up the ball but not sure Lillard would. I think it would be great personally, but don't see it happening.
 
ehizzy3 said:
we need to move on from an iso based offense. This is pretty clear and dame feels the same way
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I have been saying that for years, but you saying that and me saying that doesn't me Lillard will be onboard with that. It has to happen, but will it? Maybe a new coach can make it happen.
 
lamlor said:
Booker was willing to give up the ball but not sure Lillard would. I think it would be great personally, but don't see it happening.
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wut?

Booker had a higher usage rate than Dame this season, 32.7% vs 31.4% (and it was 30% last season). And Booker's assisted FG rate actually dropped this year to 45% from 46% last year. So he sure as shit wasn't giving up the ball when it came to his own offense. The only part of the offense he stepped back from was facilitating offense for others; which makes sense after the Suns add one of the all time great pure PG's

get Dame somebody as good as CP3 in running the offense from the wing position and he'd very likely give up some of the run the offense duties. But you don't want him giving up much because he's elite in the PnR
 
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wizenheimer said:
The only part of the offense he stepped back from was facilitating offense for others; which makes sense after the Suns add one of the all time great pure PG's
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That was exactly my point. Paul had the ball and facilitated which is exactly what Simmons needs to do to get the most out of him.

wizenheimer said:
But you don't want him giving up much because he's elite in the PnR
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So elite they get knocked out of the 1st Round each year. Time for change. PnR part of the time, ball flow the rest.

Sorry I didn't have any numbers followed by symbols to better illustrate my points.
 
lamlor said:
So elite they get knocked out of the 1st Round each year. Time for change. PnR part of the time, ball flow the rest.

Sorry I didn't have any numbers followed by symbols to better illustrate my points.
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you said Booker gave up the ball this year and you doubted Dame could do that. I was curious so I looked it up to see how much Booker actually gave up the ball

* his usage went up from 30% to 32.7%
* his assisted FG rate dropped from 46% to 45%
* his FGA/100-possessions increased from 24.2 to 28.0....almost 4 more FGA every 100 possessions
* his touches/game dropped from 60.2 to 56.2, BUT, he averaged 2 less minutes a game, so his touches/minute was about the same
* his average seconds/touch actually increased from 4.2 to 4.32 seconds
* the percentage of his possessions used on isolation increased from 11.4% to 12.7%

I'm not seeing any significant statistical evidence to support your contention Booker actually gave up the ball. I'd say it was other players on the Suns who gave up the ball to accommodate CP3. Booker increased his usage, FGA, and time of possession. He didn't defer
 
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For CJ:

3 2nd round draft picks and a big fatty trade exception from Houston.

We'll have 8 different threads dreaming of trades we can do with the trade exception.

Olshey will let the trade exception expire because due to injuries we'll have to start 2 of the 2nd round picks and he'll claim a trade will hurt their continued development.
 
I really think that now that we have our picks back under our control that we can send CJ to the Knicks and that they will give up enough to Toronto along with any future picks we need to supplement to get Siakam. With the right coach and Siakam I think we'll get Norm to re-sign and I think DJ will opt in. We can get a backup PG to sign for the tax payer MLE and we'll be set.

Dame, Norm, RoCo, Siakam, Nurk, DJ, Austin Rivers, Ant, Nas, and Zach. We could still have Enes off the bench because of early bird rights with a bunch of GLeaguers that we can hope one or two of which will contribute but that is a better roster than we had before and we have to believe we will have a coach with more imagination to use the roster than what Stotts has been for the last six years.

I really hope that Neil wants to improve our roster and not just see what a new coach can do with what is already there.
 
blazerkor said:
Oh you didn't copy the link from the saved trade so we just get a blank trademachine page.
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Beal makes all kinds of sense for a short sighted GM. I think he and the Wizards want a separation anyways.

That being said, I think Neil runs it back with CJ and a new coach, or in other words, wastes another year of Dame’s career
 
SlyPokerDog said:
For CJ:

3 2nd round draft picks and a big fatty trade exception from Houston.

We'll have 8 different threads dreaming of trades we can do with the trade exception.

Olshey will let the trade exception expire because due to injuries we'll have to start 2 of the 2nd round picks and he'll claim a trade will hurt their continued development.
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Houston will try to offload Eric Gordon on us, but he'll refuse to come because he still hates Olshey.
 
I found yesterday's Bucks-Nets game pretty depressing. I entertained SOME hopes that the Nets wouldn't steamroll to a title, but they dismissed probably their biggest challenger easily, WITHOUT Harden.
 
Do Cavs have their own picks? Cuz they'd be pretty valuable, I guess.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Yuck.
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you asked

I think CJ for Nance, Prince & Allen would not be a bad trade (assuming Allen was re-signed within the bounds of the TPE). Those three combined to average 32 points, 20 rebounds, and 7 assists; they averaged about 27 minutes each, and Nance and Prince combined for 39% shooting on three's while averaging 7.4 attempts/game

more than that though is that it would give the Blazers some very tradable contracts opening the door wider for a consolidation trade

that's my theory at least least the one I developed over the last 2 minutes
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do Cavs have their own picks? Cuz they'd be pretty valuable, I guess.
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all their 1sts plus a giant collection of 2nd's:

2022 second round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2022 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Houston-Sacramento, 2/7/2019]

2022 second round draft pick from San Antonio
San Antonio's 2022 2nd round pick to Cleveland (via Utah) [San Antonio-Utah, 7/7/2016; Cleveland-Utah, 12/23/2019]

2022 second round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 2022 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Milwaukee-Washington, 12/7/2018]

2023 second round draft pick from Denver
Denver's 2023 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 31-46 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Denver's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Denver, 3/25/2021]

2023 second round draft pick from Golden State (more favorable of this and Cleveland, Cleveland outgoing to Detroit)
Cleveland will receive the more favorable of its 2023 2nd round pick and Golden State's 2023 2nd round pick and Detroit will receive the less favorable of the two (via New Orleans to Utah to Cleveland) [Golden State-New Orleans, 6/20/2019; New Orleans-Utah, 7/7/2019; Cleveland-Utah, 12/24/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 2/6/2020]

2024 second round draft pick from Golden State
Golden State's 2024 2nd round pick to Houston (via Atlanta) protected for selections 56-60 or to Cleveland (via Atlanta to Houston) protected for selections 31-55 (Golden State's obligation to Houston or Cleveland will thereafter be extinguished) [Atlanta-Golden State, 6/20/2019; Atlanta-Denver-Houston-Minnesota, 2/5/2020; Cleveland-Houston, 1/22/2021]

2025 second round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Milwaukee, 11/18/2020]

2026 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
L.A. Lakers' 2026 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 11/23/2020]

2027 second round draft pick from Denver
Denver's 2027 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Denver, 3/25/2021]

2027 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2027 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Utah, 11/27/2020]
 
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