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PtldPlatypus said:
Lee is a garbage man. Their offense doesn't really run plays for him.

You know that claiming Lee is an equivalent option to Klay is hogwash. Why are you attempting to corrupt a legitimate discussion with nonsense?
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A 18 point scorer cannot get shit like that being a garbage man. Sorry...

The games I've watched, they run a lot plays for Lee. Yeah he's not a post up type scorer, but he is used a lot.

How many shots does klay have compared to Lee?
 
Last year Thompson took 278 more shots than Lee, about 25% more. They're not at all comparable to Miller/Matthews 2011.

It's not debatable.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Last year Thompson took 278 more shots than Lee, about 25% more. They're not at all comparable to Miller/Matthews 2011.

It's not debatable.
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25% less shots makes it not debatable?


And the difference between miller and Matthews?

Oh and are you forgetting Iggy too?
 
magnifier661 said:
25% less shots makes it not debatable?


And the difference between miller and Matthews?

Oh and are you forgetting Iggy too?
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Why don't you do the legwork, seeing as it's your premise (Matthews was as much a second option in 2011 as Klay was in 2014) you're trying to defend?

Matthews took 979 shots that year to LA's 1419, Miller's 844 and Nic's 807. LA took 21.4% of the team's shots, while Matthews took 15%, Miller 12.8%, and Nic 12.2%. The gulf between 1 & 2 is MUCH wider than the gulf between 2 & 3, or even 4.

By contrast, Thompson took 1259 shots last year, compared with Curry's 1383, Lee's 981, and Barnes' 679 (Iggy was 5th). That's 19.7% of the team's shots for Curry, 18% for Klay, 14% for Lee, and 9.7% for their fourth option.

It's clear that Klay was a much more significant part of his team's offense last year than Matthews was in 2011, and also clear that the disparity between him and the team's #3 & #4 options was much greater than for Matthews. Of course, the numbers simply back up what ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAMES ALREADY KNEW.

I've spent way too much time supporting a patently obvious statement. Thanks for that.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why don't you do the legwork, seeing as it's your premise (Matthews was as much a second option in 2011 as Klay was in 2014) you're trying to defend?

Matthews took 979 shots that year to LA's 1419, Miller's 844 and Nic's 807. LA took 21.4% of the team's shots, while Matthews took 15%, Miller 12.8%, and Nic 12.2%. The gulf between 1 & 2 is MUCH wider than the gulf between 2 & 3, or even 4.

By contrast, Thompson took 1259 shots last year, compared with Curry's 1383, Lee's 981, and Barnes' 679 (Iggy was 5th). That's 19.7% of the team's shots for Curry, 18% for Klay, 14% for Lee, and 9.7% for their fourth option.

It's clear that Klay was a much more significant part of his team's offense last year than Matthews was in 2011, and also clear that the disparity between him and the team's #3 & #4 options was much greater than for Matthews. Of course, the numbers simply back up what ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAMES ALREADY KNEW.

I've spent way too much time supporting a patently obvious statement. Thanks for that.
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I don't watch a lot of Warrior games but.. Doesn't David Lee get the ball passed to him off of a P&pop or at the elbow? Rest of the time he was expected to go rebound and let Curry/Thompson shoot?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why don't you do the legwork, seeing as it's your premise (Matthews was as much a second option in 2011 as Klay was in 2014) you're trying to defend?

Matthews took 979 shots that year to LA's 1419, Miller's 844 and Nic's 807. LA took 21.4% of the team's shots, while Matthews took 15%, Miller 12.8%, and Nic 12.2%. The gulf between 1 & 2 is MUCH wider than the gulf between 2 & 3, or even 4.

By contrast, Thompson took 1259 shots last year, compared with Curry's 1383, Lee's 981, and Barnes' 679 (Iggy was 5th). That's 19.7% of the team's shots for Curry, 18% for Klay, 14% for Lee, and 9.7% for their fourth option.

It's clear that Klay was a much more significant part of his team's offense last year than Matthews was in 2011, and also clear that the disparity between him and the team's #3 & #4 options was much greater than for Matthews. Of course, the numbers simply back up what ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAMES ALREADY KNEW.

I've spent way too much time supporting a patently obvious statement. Thanks for that.
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You are very welcome!

Still didn't answer about iggy...

As for doing the footwork. I don't have the means when I'm on my phone. [emoji109][emoji769]
 
magnifier661 said:
You are very welcome!

Still didn't answer about iggy...

As for doing the footwork. I don't have the means when I'm on my phone. [emoji109][emoji769]
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I did answer about Iggy (he's fifth on their team, under 500 shots), and I did all that on my phone too, lightweight. Of course mine is an android, so I can see how that would make a significant difference. :devilwink:
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I did answer about Iggy (he's fifth on their team, under 500 shots), and I did all that on my phone too, lightweight. Of course mine is an android, so I can see how that would make a significant difference. :devilwink:
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You son of a bitch!!!!!!!!
 
lee was out a bunch of games

shots per game it was much closer

lee 14.2
klay 15.5

lee had a higher TS% fwiw
 
and comparing LA and curry is imperfect, if only for the fact that curry is a pg, and him being the #1 option will often lead to an assist
 
iggy missed 20 games or so but he doesnt shoot at all anymore, 7 a game
 
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interesting factoid, in 12 fewer games, Lee had more winshares than klay, 7.6 to 6.7
 
well, klay is 2a to Lees 2b i would say. he took around .4 more shots per36

but i didnt watch a lot of dubs games last year, for all i know they kind of took turns being that 2nd leading scorer type
 
i really dont have any skin in the game other than i think klay is massively overrated.
 
KingSpeed said:
If Klay Thompson is best SG in NBA (as many are saying)
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Who are these many? Klay's agent and him mom? Because I haven't heard ANY saying this, let alone MANY.

As other's have pointed out, the guy is MASSIVELY overrated right now. Good, I hope GSW gives the guy a max contract. I know the cap will go up significantly when the new TV deal kicks in, but I always like to see conference rivals overpay for their players.

Klay Thompson is a poor man's J.J. Redick (production wise) who is about to get a max, or near max deal. If he played for the Clippers, he'd be their third best SG.

Yes, as much as I hate his flopping and whining, James Harden is better than Klay Thompson, way better. So is Manu Ginobili, Joe Johnson, Monta Ellis and DeMar DeRozan. As mentioned, Jamal Crawford and J.J. Redick are both better than Thompson. Guys like Kevin Martin and Lance Stephenson are also on the same level as, or arguably better than, Thompson.

I mean, seriously, the guy posted a PER = 14.3. According to John Hollinger that's a below average player. I know PER has it's limitations, and heavily favors offensive production, but the BEST SG in the league will NEVER have a PER = 14.3.

Better still, look at advanced stats like WS/48 (0.112 - at basketball-reference.com) and Net Production (+2.2 - at 82games.com) and you'll see that Thompson's advanced stats are pretty middle of the pack compared to other starting SGs in the league. His WS/48 of .112 was, by a significant amount, the lowest of the Warriors starters.

And, I haven't even mentioned Kobe and DWade, who are both still way better (if healthy) than Klay-Klay. I know people are ready to right off DWade, but he still posted a PER = 22.0 and Net Production = +9.1 last season. Those are numbers Klay Thompson will never approach over his entire career, and this is DWade on the downside of his career. Klay has been in the league 3 years and has yet to break PER = 15 or WS/48 = .120. He's 24 and still has room to improve, but by Wade's 3rd year he was posting PER = 27.6 and WS/48 = .239. Thompson will never approach those number, EVER. He's just not that good, not even close.

Is Wesley Matthews the second best SG in the league? No, because Klay Thompson isn't the best, not even close. Start with a false premise, and you reach an erroneous conclusion.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Klay Thompson is a poor man's J.J. Redick (production wise) who is about to get a max, or near max deal. If he played for the Clippers, he'd be their third best SG.
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What? No, sorry.

Thompson > Redick > Crawford
 
HailBlazers said:
What? No, sorry.

Thompson > Redick > Crawford
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Yet, both manage to outproduce him by a significant amount:

Klay Thompson:
PTS/100 Possessions = 25.9
PER = 14.3
WS/48 = .112
Own Production = 15.0
Opp Production = 12.8
Net Production = +2.2

Jamal Crawford:
PTS/100 Possessions = 30.6
PER = 17.3
WS/48 = .122
Own Production = 18.3
Opp Production = 12.6
Net Production = +5.7

J.J. Redick:
PTS/100 Possessions = 27.0
PER = 16.6
WS/48 = .147
Own Production = 17.8
Opp Production = 11.6
Net Production = +6.2

Note: all three play the same position in the same division of the same conference, which means they play against and guard the same opponents. Yet, Thompson's Net Production is significantly lower than both Crawford and Redick. Yes, Thompson is younger, but in exactly what way is he better than the two players that consistently out produce him?

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yet, both manage to outproduce him by a significant amount:

Klay Thompson:
PTS/100 Possessions = 25.9
PER = 14.3
WS/48 = .112
Own Production = 15.0
Opp Production = 12.8
Net Production = +2.2

Jamal Crawford:
PTS/100 Possessions = 30.6
PER = 17.3
WS/48 = .122
Own Production = 18.3
Opp Production = 12.6
Net Production = +5.7

J.J. Redick:
PTS/100 Possessions = 27.0
PER = 16.6
WS/48 = .147
Own Production = 17.8
Opp Production = 11.6
Net Production = +6.2

Note: all three play the same position in the same division of the same conference, which means they play against and guard the same opponents. Yet, Thompson's Net Production is significantly lower than both Crawford and Redick. Yes, Thompson is younger, but in exactly what way is he better than the two players that consistently out produce him?

BNM
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Nice info, would you mind throwing Wes' numbers in there for comparison (and maybe even Harden :) )
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yes, Thompson is younger, but in exactly what way is he better than the two players that consistently out produce him?

BNM
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defensively? i cant say for sure, but redick and crawful dont have great defensive reps do they?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
defensively? i cant say for sure, but redick and crawful dont have great defensive reps do they?
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Redick is surprisingly decent defensively (well, he doesn't totally suck, which may surprise many people who think of him as only a spot up shooter).

That's why I threw the OPP Production in there. As noted the SG position is historically weak. All three are comparable in OPP Production with the edge going to Redick.

BNM
 
Boise Blazer said:
Nice info, would you mind throwing Wes' numbers in there for comparison (and maybe even Harden :) )
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OK, here you go:

Wesley Matthews:
PTS/100 Possessions = 24.4
PER = 15.7
WS/48 = .142
Own Production = 16.6
Opp Production = 13.5
Net Production = +3.1

James Harden:
PTS/100 Possessions = 33.2
PER = 23.5
WS/48 = .221
Own Production = 25.3
Opp Production = 12.5
Net Production = +12.9

Klay Thompson:
PTS/100 Possessions = 25.9
PER = 14.3
WS/48 = .112
Own Production = 15.0
Opp Production = 12.8
Net Production = +2.2

Jamal Crawford:
PTS/100 Possessions = 30.6
PER = 17.3
WS/48 = .122
Own Production = 18.3
Opp Production = 12.6
Net Production = +5.7

J.J. Redick:
PTS/100 Possessions = 27.0
PER = 16.6
WS/48 = .147
Own Production = 17.8
Opp Production = 11.6
Net Production = +6.2

BNM
 
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