If Vulcan Is Behind the Roy Situation

[STOMP]

No, it doesn't help when the owner is worth 1000x times what the player the city loves is worth.

no it doesn't help, but it really doesn't hurt either. Since PA doesn't voice his side of things very often, he's mostly out of the general public's mind. He's the guy in the glasses sitting next to Pritchard who started Microsoft and has bad teeth. Video clips of Brandon articulating why 10M+ a year isn't enough would resonate with Blazer fans... articles would be written discussing the issue from all sides. While that may help some see his side of things it will also cast him in a very bad light with other fans... the end result being a lower overall marketability. Going public for Brandon splits the costumers on him which lowers his marketability... cut off your nose to spite your face stuff

As for the "hulk" comment? It's a tell on how you view your argument.

is that really what you got out of it... believe me, I was commenting on other things

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[PapaG]

is that really what you got out of it... believe me, I was commenting on other things

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Feel free to clarify.

 

[STOMP]

more the constant bluster/outrage on speculative issues plus difficulty with basic math

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[PapaG]

Paul Allen isn't the one asking for a larger slice of the Blazer salary pie that takes away the chances of resigning other key Blazers, and I very much doubt he'll be calling into radio shows on the matter. Brandon speaking publicly on this will not resonate with every Blazer fan. I'm sure one of the local Canzano's will call him just another out of touch money hungry athlete out for themselves. It's Brandon's choice how he wants to come off.


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Who are the other key players, and how does having the richest owner in all of sports take away chances for signing key players already under contract?

 

[PapaG]

more the constant bluster/outrage on speculative issues plus difficulty with basic math

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In other words, nothing. I thought so. You may as well let Ed continue to make your argument. As far as I've read, you've contributed nothing to the debate other than "hulk think hard" insults.

 

[STOMP]

In other words, nothing. I thought so. You may as well let Ed continue to make your argument. As far as I've read, you've contributed nothing to the debate other than "hulk think hard" insults.

coming from you of course this earns a whatever dude... I'll do as I like regardless of your approval thanks. Its funny how often simple points need to be explained when you're taking on the board in yet another tangent rant... I'd call it a trend. Then after the simple point has been re-explained you ignore it and go strictly personal like the quote above.

You remind me of a poster who used to frequent our group who went by the alias Terrible.

Who are the other key players, and how does having the richest owner in all of sports take away chances for signing key players already under contract?

I've named them in other posts in this thread where I responded to you.

And being the richest owner stuff only goes so far. It provides some cushion that other small market teams don't have, but how many millions do you expect him to reasonable lose on the team a year?

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[ABM]

FWIW.....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/216499-random-ravings-can-roy-and-vulcans-mix

 

[PapaG]

FWIW.....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/216499-random-ravings-can-roy-and-vulcans-mix

A fair article, and much what I've posted here echoes it.

 

[PapaG]

And being the richest owner stuff only goes so far. It provides some cushion that other small market teams don't have, but how many millions do you expect him to reasonable lose on the team a year?

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Giving $10.3 million to a back-up PF when in a "break even" mode isn't going to help the bottom-line.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Well to be fair the city wont side with Roy if he handles this poorly. Speaking about it once or twice in public is fine (even if it is only the first week), but he if were to do it on a consistent basis and bring up the idea that he isn't making enough he'd definitely lose supporters. Especially when you consider Oregon's unemployment rate and the contrast of how much money he makes even on his rookie deal every year to how much the average fan makes. His agent will have to have him play this carefully because public opinion can turn fast, and in this economy with so many people hurting they do not want to hear millionaires (regardless of how much they are adored) complaining about just making 60 million compared to 80.

 

[PapaG]

Well to be fair the city wont side with Roy if he handles this poorly. Speaking about it once or twice in public is fine (even if it is only the first week), but he if were to do it on a consistent basis and bring up the idea that he isn't making enough he'd definitely lose supporters. Especially when you consider Oregon's unemployment rate and the contrast of how much money he makes even on his rookie deal every year to how much the average fan makes. His agent will have to have him play this carefully because public opinion can turn fast, and in this economy with so many people hurting they do not want to hear millionaires (regardless of how much they are adored) complaining about just making 60 million compared to 80.

People in Portland also don't want to hear about a multi-billionaire from Seattle screwing over the face of Portland's franchise for 1/1000th of his net worth. The "average fan" wants Brandon Roy in Portland for as long as possible. The "average fan" already knows the Blazers have a bad TV deal and an owner who already seriously considered selling the team in more flush times. At the BBQ I was at last night, not a single person begrudged Roy for wanting every dollar and year possible to stay in Portland. Anectdotal, sure, but not a single person took the Vulcan side, and many of the people there were season ticket holders.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

No the average fan wants a player to be happy with what he makes, play great basketball, and not to complain. Everyone loved Paul Allen when he was losing tens of millions of dollars on the Blazers, paying to build the Rose Garden, etc. People started to hate him when he filed for bankruptcy on the arena, started laying people off, and talked about needing to fix the broken business model of the Blazers.

People love athletes (and celebrities) when they're entertaining you with their skills, their winning, and playing hard. People stop loving athletes when they start complaining about money, because it reminds the average fan that the players they worship live on a completely different level than them. Athletes can talk about not earning enough a few times, but after that they will be turned on. People will not feel sympathy for athletes who make millions of dollars a year while they're topping out at 50-200k to support a family of three or four.

 

[e_blazer]

The "average fan" is a fickle beast. Those who are lambasting KP and Blazers management for not automatically giving Roy a max 5 year contract would most likely be the same ones who would roast the team five years from now for putting the team in cap hell if Roy's knees have betrayed him and turned him into a shadow of the player he is today.

 

[PapaG]

The "average fan" is a fickle beast. Those who are lambasting KP and Blazers management for not automatically giving Roy a max 5 year contract would most likely be the same ones who would roast the team five years from now for putting the team in cap hell if Roy's knees have betrayed him and turned him into a shadow of the player he is today.

I think that's an unfair statement to make. My posting history suggests nothing like that from me. Plus, if Roy decides to be an RFA and not sign, he's going to get a 5 year max deal from somebody.

 

[e_blazer]

I wasn't referring to you, specifically, PapaG. I'm just trying to point out that the "average fan view is different from management's. Fans can respond and be either happy or upset based upon incomplete information. Fans can take the short view. Team management has to consider a player's health, has to look at long term salary and cap implications, changes in the CBA that may be coming down the pike, and a multitude of other factors that "average fans" simply don't generally take into consideration."

I've shared message board space with you for a lot of years, PapaG, and I know that you're a thoughtful guy. Frankly, though, you do seem to be a bit more agitated about things recently.

 

[PapaG]

I wasn't referring to you, specifically, PapaG. I'm just trying to point out that the "average fan view is different from management's. Fans can respond and be either happy or upset based upon incomplete information. Fans can take the short view. Team management has to consider a player's health, has to look at long term salary and cap implications, changes in the CBA that may be coming down the pike, and a multitude of other factors that "average fans" simply don't generally take into consideration."

I've shared message board space with you for a lot of years, PapaG, and I know that you're a thoughtful guy. Frankly, though, you do seem to be a bit more agitated about things recently.

I'm agitated with the Roy contracts talks stalling. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in offering a viewpoint that takes Roy's side. It's tough to relay "mood" on a message board, but I'm only agitated with hearing Roy have to beg and plead in public for a five year deal. Everything else? Who cares. I didn't like Hedo fitting in on this team and am happy Toronto gets to pay that contract.

 

[maxiep]

I love drama-laden and pejorative-filled posts complaining about the drama-laden board. It's so...ironic.

Clearly this issue is emotionally important to you. Rage on.

 

[PapaG]

Clearly this issue is emotionally important to you. Rage on.

Added value in this thread from you = zero. I actually expect more from you, but I was wrong. Address the logistics, or don't. Yes, Roy's future as a Blazer is important to me.